We are bemoaning what we gave up for TJH, who played really well with the Vikings, and ignoring what we gave up for ISJ who never did anything with the Vikings. I'll take the TJH deal over the ISJ deal any time.
I know some here want to draft John Michael Schmitz in the first. I'll freak out if we do. First, he's a Center. Second, he barely breaks 300 lbs. He will get tossed around worse than GB - another pick I truly hated.
Jaxon Smith-Njigba did look really good. But he will be slow. He knows that, so he did not run at the Combine. Ignore whatever number he posts on his pro day. THE Ohio State University track is fake fast. Still, I would not mind that pick if we keep our first. But probably better to trade it if we can get a good return. (Just hope other teams don't see KAO as an easy mark and offer only shit deals because of his draft trades last year.)
Quote: @dadevike said:
We are bemoaning what we gave up for TJH, who played really well with the Vikings, and ignoring what we gave up for ISJ who never did anything with the Vikings. I'll take the TJH deal over the ISJ deal any time.
I know some here want to draft John Michael Schmitz in the first. I'll freak out if we do. First, he's a Center. Second, he barely breaks 300 lbs. He will get tossed around worse than GB - another pick I truly hated.
Jaxon Smith-Njigba did look really good. But he will be slow. He knows that, so he did not run at the Combine. Ignore whatever number he posts on his pro day. THE Ohio State University track is fake fast. Still, I would not mind that pick if we keep our first. But probably better to trade it if we can get a good return. (Just hope other teams don't see KAO as an easy mark and offer only shit deals because of his draft trades last year.)
After watching more of JSN, I've come around on him. He's not especially fast, but I've since learned that's not what he's about. He's about being smart, quick and slippery. And his combine marks in the shuttle and 3-cone bear that out.
Still, we have to add two starters to the defense (or at least one big one) before I'm willing to go offense with this pick.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ dadevike said:
We are bemoaning what we gave up for TJH, who played really well with the Vikings, and ignoring what we gave up for ISJ who never did anything with the Vikings. I'll take the TJH deal over the ISJ deal any time.
I know some here want to draft John Michael Schmitz in the first. I'll freak out if we do. First, he's a Center. Second, he barely breaks 300 lbs. He will get tossed around worse than GB - another pick I truly hated.
Jaxon Smith-Njigba did look really good. But he will be slow. He knows that, so he did not run at the Combine. Ignore whatever number he posts on his pro day. THE Ohio State University track is fake fast. Still, I would not mind that pick if we keep our first. But probably better to trade it if we can get a good return. (Just hope other teams don't see KAO as an easy mark and offer only shit deals because of his draft trades last year.)
After watching more of JSN, I've come around on him. He's not especially fast, but I've since learned that's not what he's about. He's about being smart, quick and slippery. And his combine marks in the shuttle and 3-cone bear that out.
Still, we have to add two starters to the defense (or at least one big one) before I'm willing to go offense with this pick.
I would anticipate they try to sign two impact (depending on how you define impact pieces) pieces to add to the defense in FA. That opens up the draft to go in a myriad of directions.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ dadevike said:
We are bemoaning what we gave up for TJH, who played really well with the Vikings, and ignoring what we gave up for ISJ who never did anything with the Vikings. I'll take the TJH deal over the ISJ deal any time.
I know some here want to draft John Michael Schmitz in the first. I'll freak out if we do. First, he's a Center. Second, he barely breaks 300 lbs. He will get tossed around worse than GB - another pick I truly hated.
Jaxon Smith-Njigba did look really good. But he will be slow. He knows that, so he did not run at the Combine. Ignore whatever number he posts on his pro day. THE Ohio State University track is fake fast. Still, I would not mind that pick if we keep our first. But probably better to trade it if we can get a good return. (Just hope other teams don't see KAO as an easy mark and offer only shit deals because of his draft trades last year.)
After watching more of JSN, I've come around on him. He's not especially fast, but I've since learned that's not what he's about. He's about being smart, quick and slippery. And his combine marks in the shuttle and 3-cone bear that out.
Still, we have to add two starters to the defense (or at least one big one) before I'm willing to go offense with this pick.
I will never understand how people can overlook the quickness drills and focus on 40 times when evaluating football players. Give me the quick acceleration, quick direction changes, and I will give you football players, top end speed is for track and really isn't all that rare.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ dadevike said:
We are bemoaning what we gave up for TJH, who played really well with the Vikings, and ignoring what we gave up for ISJ who never did anything with the Vikings. I'll take the TJH deal over the ISJ deal any time.
I know some here want to draft John Michael Schmitz in the first. I'll freak out if we do. First, he's a Center. Second, he barely breaks 300 lbs. He will get tossed around worse than GB - another pick I truly hated.
Jaxon Smith-Njigba did look really good. But he will be slow. He knows that, so he did not run at the Combine. Ignore whatever number he posts on his pro day. THE Ohio State University track is fake fast. Still, I would not mind that pick if we keep our first. But probably better to trade it if we can get a good return. (Just hope other teams don't see KAO as an easy mark and offer only shit deals because of his draft trades last year.)
After watching more of JSN, I've come around on him. He's not especially fast, but I've since learned that's not what he's about. He's about being smart, quick and slippery. And his combine marks in the shuttle and 3-cone bear that out.
Still, we have to add two starters to the defense (or at least one big one) before I'm willing to go offense with this pick.
I will never understand how people can overlook the quickness drills and focus on 40 times when evaluating football players. Give me the quick acceleration, quick direction changes, and I will give you football players, top end speed is for track and really isn't all that rare.
I think it's all part of it. Even the 40 time is important for receivers who are going to play a deep role and the corners who are going to cover them. For example, if Jalen Hyatt had run a slower than expected 40, it would hurt his stock a lot more than a JSN.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ dadevike said:
We are bemoaning what we gave up for TJH, who played really well with the Vikings, and ignoring what we gave up for ISJ who never did anything with the Vikings. I'll take the TJH deal over the ISJ deal any time.
I know some here want to draft John Michael Schmitz in the first. I'll freak out if we do. First, he's a Center. Second, he barely breaks 300 lbs. He will get tossed around worse than GB - another pick I truly hated.
Jaxon Smith-Njigba did look really good. But he will be slow. He knows that, so he did not run at the Combine. Ignore whatever number he posts on his pro day. THE Ohio State University track is fake fast. Still, I would not mind that pick if we keep our first. But probably better to trade it if we can get a good return. (Just hope other teams don't see KAO as an easy mark and offer only shit deals because of his draft trades last year.)
After watching more of JSN, I've come around on him. He's not especially fast, but I've since learned that's not what he's about. He's about being smart, quick and slippery. And his combine marks in the shuttle and 3-cone bear that out.
Still, we have to add two starters to the defense (or at least one big one) before I'm willing to go offense with this pick.
I will never understand how people can overlook the quickness drills and focus on 40 times when evaluating football players. Give me the quick acceleration, quick direction changes, and I will give you football players, top end speed is for track and really isn't all that rare.
I think it's all part of it. Even the 40 time is important for receivers who are going to play a deep role and the corners who are going to cover them. For example, if Jalen Hyatt had run a slower than expected 40, it would hurt his stock a lot more than a JSN.
It needs to be weighted imo and the forty is way down that list. None of those positions you mentioned benefit from those fast 40 times if they don't have the burst, agility, or the strength in close areas though.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ dadevike said:
We are bemoaning what we gave up for TJH, who played really well with the Vikings, and ignoring what we gave up for ISJ who never did anything with the Vikings. I'll take the TJH deal over the ISJ deal any time.
I know some here want to draft John Michael Schmitz in the first. I'll freak out if we do. First, he's a Center. Second, he barely breaks 300 lbs. He will get tossed around worse than GB - another pick I truly hated.
Jaxon Smith-Njigba did look really good. But he will be slow. He knows that, so he did not run at the Combine. Ignore whatever number he posts on his pro day. THE Ohio State University track is fake fast. Still, I would not mind that pick if we keep our first. But probably better to trade it if we can get a good return. (Just hope other teams don't see KAO as an easy mark and offer only shit deals because of his draft trades last year.)
After watching more of JSN, I've come around on him. He's not especially fast, but I've since learned that's not what he's about. He's about being smart, quick and slippery. And his combine marks in the shuttle and 3-cone bear that out.
Still, we have to add two starters to the defense (or at least one big one) before I'm willing to go offense with this pick.
I will never understand how people can overlook the quickness drills and focus on 40 times when evaluating football players. Give me the quick acceleration, quick direction changes, and I will give you football players, top end speed is for track and really isn't all that rare.
I think it's all part of it. Even the 40 time is important for receivers who are going to play a deep role and the corners who are going to cover them. For example, if Jalen Hyatt had run a slower than expected 40, it would hurt his stock a lot more than a JSN.
It needs to be weighted imo and the forty is way down that list. None of those positions you mentioned benefit from those fast 40 times if they don't have the burst, agility, or the strength in close areas though.
Right, but it's all important. While I would agree that burst, agility and strength might be underrated and the 40 time overrated, I think it should all be taken in context. For example, burst, agility and strength don't mean much either if you can't outrun a 4.6 safety.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ dadevike said:
We are bemoaning what we gave up for TJH, who played really well with the Vikings, and ignoring what we gave up for ISJ who never did anything with the Vikings. I'll take the TJH deal over the ISJ deal any time.
I know some here want to draft John Michael Schmitz in the first. I'll freak out if we do. First, he's a Center. Second, he barely breaks 300 lbs. He will get tossed around worse than GB - another pick I truly hated.
Jaxon Smith-Njigba did look really good. But he will be slow. He knows that, so he did not run at the Combine. Ignore whatever number he posts on his pro day. THE Ohio State University track is fake fast. Still, I would not mind that pick if we keep our first. But probably better to trade it if we can get a good return. (Just hope other teams don't see KAO as an easy mark and offer only shit deals because of his draft trades last year.)
After watching more of JSN, I've come around on him. He's not especially fast, but I've since learned that's not what he's about. He's about being smart, quick and slippery. And his combine marks in the shuttle and 3-cone bear that out.
Still, we have to add two starters to the defense (or at least one big one) before I'm willing to go offense with this pick.
I will never understand how people can overlook the quickness drills and focus on 40 times when evaluating football players. Give me the quick acceleration, quick direction changes, and I will give you football players, top end speed is for track and really isn't all that rare.
I think it's all part of it. Even the 40 time is important for receivers who are going to play a deep role and the corners who are going to cover them. For example, if Jalen Hyatt had run a slower than expected 40, it would hurt his stock a lot more than a JSN.
It needs to be weighted imo and the forty is way down that list. None of those positions you mentioned benefit from those fast 40 times if they don't have the burst, agility, or the strength in close areas though.
Right, but it's all important. While I would agree that burst, agility and strength might be underrated and the 40 time overrated, I think it should all be taken in context. For example, burst, agility and strength don't mean much either if you can't outrun a 4.6 safety.
i dont value that top end speed, you just dont see that many plays where top end speed are nearly as critical. I am fine with 10 to 15 yard gains off quicks and strength all day long vs that once every few games that somebody actually breaks one. Hell TEs never have top end speed, but we still see plenty of chances for them to score from 40 out or more. I just really dont think its nearly as critical as the emphasis put on it by most football fans or even analysts. maybe its burned into me by how many speed burner receivers I have seen that never amount to shit in the NFL because they cant create separation, or DBs that are fast as hell, but cant cover worth a shit because they look like a freight train trying to change direction and get up to speed.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ dadevike said:
We are bemoaning what we gave up for TJH, who played really well with the Vikings, and ignoring what we gave up for ISJ who never did anything with the Vikings. I'll take the TJH deal over the ISJ deal any time.
I know some here want to draft John Michael Schmitz in the first. I'll freak out if we do. First, he's a Center. Second, he barely breaks 300 lbs. He will get tossed around worse than GB - another pick I truly hated.
Jaxon Smith-Njigba did look really good. But he will be slow. He knows that, so he did not run at the Combine. Ignore whatever number he posts on his pro day. THE Ohio State University track is fake fast. Still, I would not mind that pick if we keep our first. But probably better to trade it if we can get a good return. (Just hope other teams don't see KAO as an easy mark and offer only shit deals because of his draft trades last year.)
After watching more of JSN, I've come around on him. He's not especially fast, but I've since learned that's not what he's about. He's about being smart, quick and slippery. And his combine marks in the shuttle and 3-cone bear that out.
Still, we have to add two starters to the defense (or at least one big one) before I'm willing to go offense with this pick.
I will never understand how people can overlook the quickness drills and focus on 40 times when evaluating football players. Give me the quick acceleration, quick direction changes, and I will give you football players, top end speed is for track and really isn't all that rare.
I think it's all part of it. Even the 40 time is important for receivers who are going to play a deep role and the corners who are going to cover them. For example, if Jalen Hyatt had run a slower than expected 40, it would hurt his stock a lot more than a JSN.
It needs to be weighted imo and the forty is way down that list. None of those positions you mentioned benefit from those fast 40 times if they don't have the burst, agility, or the strength in close areas though.
Right, but it's all important. While I would agree that burst, agility and strength might be underrated and the 40 time overrated, I think it should all be taken in context. For example, burst, agility and strength don't mean much either if you can't outrun a 4.6 safety.
i dont value that top end speed, you just dont see that many plays where top end speed are nearly as critical. I am fine with 10 to 15 yard gains off quicks and strength all day long vs that once every few games that somebody actually breaks one. Hell TEs never have top end speed, but we still see plenty of chances for them to score from 40 out or more. I just really dont think its nearly as critical as the emphasis put on it by most football fans or even analysts. maybe its burned into me by how many speed burner receivers I have seen that never amount to shit in the NFL because they cant create separation, or DBs that are fast as hell, but cant cover worth a shit because they look like a freight train trying to change direction and get up to speed.
Well if you really want a 4.7 receiver, there are plenty to choose from in the XFL.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ dadevike said:
We are bemoaning what we gave up for TJH, who played really well with the Vikings, and ignoring what we gave up for ISJ who never did anything with the Vikings. I'll take the TJH deal over the ISJ deal any time.
I know some here want to draft John Michael Schmitz in the first. I'll freak out if we do. First, he's a Center. Second, he barely breaks 300 lbs. He will get tossed around worse than GB - another pick I truly hated.
Jaxon Smith-Njigba did look really good. But he will be slow. He knows that, so he did not run at the Combine. Ignore whatever number he posts on his pro day. THE Ohio State University track is fake fast. Still, I would not mind that pick if we keep our first. But probably better to trade it if we can get a good return. (Just hope other teams don't see KAO as an easy mark and offer only shit deals because of his draft trades last year.)
After watching more of JSN, I've come around on him. He's not especially fast, but I've since learned that's not what he's about. He's about being smart, quick and slippery. And his combine marks in the shuttle and 3-cone bear that out.
Still, we have to add two starters to the defense (or at least one big one) before I'm willing to go offense with this pick.
I will never understand how people can overlook the quickness drills and focus on 40 times when evaluating football players. Give me the quick acceleration, quick direction changes, and I will give you football players, top end speed is for track and really isn't all that rare.
I think it's all part of it. Even the 40 time is important for receivers who are going to play a deep role and the corners who are going to cover them. For example, if Jalen Hyatt had run a slower than expected 40, it would hurt his stock a lot more than a JSN.
It needs to be weighted imo and the forty is way down that list. None of those positions you mentioned benefit from those fast 40 times if they don't have the burst, agility, or the strength in close areas though.
Right, but it's all important. While I would agree that burst, agility and strength might be underrated and the 40 time overrated, I think it should all be taken in context. For example, burst, agility and strength don't mean much either if you can't outrun a 4.6 safety.
i dont value that top end speed, you just dont see that many plays where top end speed are nearly as critical. I am fine with 10 to 15 yard gains off quicks and strength all day long vs that once every few games that somebody actually breaks one. Hell TEs never have top end speed, but we still see plenty of chances for them to score from 40 out or more. I just really dont think its nearly as critical as the emphasis put on it by most football fans or even analysts. maybe its burned into me by how many speed burner receivers I have seen that never amount to shit in the NFL because they cant create separation, or DBs that are fast as hell, but cant cover worth a shit because they look like a freight train trying to change direction and get up to speed.
Well if you really want a 4.7 receiver, there are plenty to choose from in the XFL.
dont need to go that low, there are plenty that run quality shuttle and cone times and still have decent downfield speed, honestly I doubt there are any 4.7 guys that have quality quicks and agility times.
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