Quote: @pumpf said:
@ medaille said
If Americans really wanted honest politicians, they would not have given us the 2 options that we had last (presidential) election.
Could not agree more.
I agree with most your post there but wanted to address this part.
Yes two of the most awful candidates every. You are wrong though about other options. They were there. Just the fear mongering in this country is so bought into. It was way too powerful. Many who voted for either really weren't. I heard it going in. If you didn't you chose not to. Many were not voting for they were voting against. Even in light of these terrible choices only 5 % of us chose option 3.
If most of those who bothered to vote were voting against, not for. Then the majority of those votes actually went to the loser...again. Excuse me if I laugh. Hell of a way to run a democracy. In the words of Jesse the Governor about the corrupt set up. "Two choices is only one more then in Saddam Hussein's Iraq". What a system most have excepted as the way has to be.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ KingBash said:
Let me explain this to you, how we all view this, through a rational lens.
lol
Mueller indicts LOTS AND LOTS of people connected to the Trump campaign/administration.
Trump installs a lackey as AG in Barr.
LOL. The only Barr you knew about was Anthony.
You made 0 posts re: William Barr whilst he was being nominated/confirmed by the US Senate.
(FTR, Mike Olson made 1 post re: the next AG)
But yeah, you're a sage. lmaoooooo
All of us call bullshit as we can see how this will play out.
NOT SURPRISINGLY, Barr gets the report and says there's not enough evidence of collusion but that TRUMP IS ALSO NOT EXONERATED (that part is lost a lot of the time on Fox News).
Fire down, Obi-Wan.
Thought I schooled you earlier on an "exoneration" by a prosecutor, but I guess you need to be schooled, yet again.
PROSECUTORS DO NOT EXONERATE. THEY INDICT... OR THEY DON'T.
And now, we find out that those close to Mueller are saying they're disappointed in how Barr has handled their two years of hard work.
LMAO. Because of your NYSlimes link earlier? The one that quoted NO ONE (source) by name?
THAT's the journalism that impresses you? And we're the rubes?
Wow... almost like I'd been saying ALL ALONG. GOD it feels so good to be so right all the time.
You've been "right" about 0.
EDIT: Now quick! Call it fake news! Or pivot to "but Obama/Hillary/the Democrats did X, Y, Z!" Go ahead.
Because I didn't post about his nomination on a message board to a bunch of red hats means I wasn't paying attention at all?
I'm right again just by default because your post was such a complete and utter waste of time. Be off with you, now, you silly tard.
EDIT: By the way, thanks for the Mark Levin clip that I won't click on. As if I'm gonna spend an hour+ and drink your Kool-Aid. You're the one that supports the con artist. I can't be bought that easily.
It must be nice living in a reality when you're the only one who's right all the time.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
@ medaille said
If Americans really wanted honest politicians, they would not have given us the 2 options that we had last (presidential) election.
Could not agree more.
I agree with most your post there but wanted to address this part.
Yes two of the most awful candidates every. You are wrong though about other options. They were there. Just the fear mongering in this country is so bought into. It was way too powerful. Many who voted for either really weren't. I heard it going in. If you didn't you chose not to. Many were not voting for they were voting against. Even in light of these terrible choices only 5 % of us chose option 3.
If most of those who bothered to vote were voting against, not for. Then the majority of those votes actually went to the loser...again. Excuse me if I laugh. Hell of a way to run a democracy. In the words of Jesse the Governor about the corrupt set up. "Two choices is only one more then in Saddam Hussein's Iraq". What a system most have excepted as the way has to be.
I've been voting for option 3's for years. I wish more would get on the bandwagon.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
@ medaille said
If Americans really wanted honest politicians, they would not have given us the 2 options that we had last (presidential) election.
Could not agree more.
I agree with most your post there but wanted to address this part.
Yes two of the most awful candidates every. You are wrong though about other options. They were there. Just the fear mongering in this country is so bought into. It was way too powerful. Many who voted for either really weren't. I heard it going in. If you didn't you chose not to. Many were not voting for they were voting against. Even in light of these terrible choices only 5 % of us chose option 3.
If most of those who bothered to vote were voting against, not for. Then the majority of those votes actually went to the loser...again. Excuse me if I laugh. Hell of a way to run a democracy. In the words of Jesse the Governor about the corrupt set up. "Two choices is only one more then in Saddam Hussein's Iraq". What a system most have excepted as the way has to be.
I don't know that I was "wrong"... because I voted for a 3rd party candidate. You know, me: the raging Trump-a-holic. I don't think I was trying to say that there really were only 2 candidates- only that that was what our only "real" choices were. And, honestly, I"m OK with "only" having 2 choices; I think that winning a plurality election (like in some other places) wouldn't necessarily fix all our problems; it would just create a different set of problems. I just wish that we had better choices. I know MANY "conservatives" that did NOT want to vote for Trump... but they could not vote for Hillary. And- in their mind- a vote for anyone else... was a vote for her. That's why some "Trumpers" have demonized me: because, in their mind, I was some kind of traitor.
Well, Trump reminds me on a daily basis of why I didn't want to vote for him. But some of the folks in this thread then remind me that the alternative was even worse. I've said this before... and I'll say it again: Democrats have only themselves to blame for Trump. Because of the things that they have done, they made Trump possible. And they are driving more and more people to him all the time. (That's a figure of speech, in case anyone in this thread wants to take it literally and then use THAT as the basis for arguing)
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
You had time to write all of that... but still haven't had the time to answer the one question I've been asking you all along. For a guy with all the answers, you sure seem selective in which ones you're willing to share. So, in case you've forgotten:
How can you believe that people with special needs are beautiful, wonderful gifts to humanity- worthy of dignity, life and respect- and, at that same time, support a woman's right to kill those people- based solely on a diagnosis that the person might have that condition- so that those beautiful, wonderful gifts to humanity... will never be born?
It's one thing to want to kill a child simply for the convenience of escaping a bad choice that you made... but if a woman wants a child- but then finds out that they have Down Syndrome- she is allowed (even encouraged) to kill that pre-born child: for that reason alone. Seems like that ought to be a problem for someone who "loves" people with Down Syndrome. How can you side with those who think that a person with Down Syndrome is not a person worth having around?
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ KingBash said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ KingBash said:
Let me explain this to you, how we all view this, through a rational lens.
lol
Mueller indicts LOTS AND LOTS of people connected to the Trump campaign/administration.
Trump installs a lackey as AG in Barr.
LOL. The only Barr you knew about was Anthony.
You made 0 posts re: William Barr whilst he was being nominated/confirmed by the US Senate.
(FTR, Mike Olson made 1 post re: the next AG)
But yeah, you're a sage. lmaoooooo
All of us call bullshit as we can see how this will play out.
NOT SURPRISINGLY, Barr gets the report and says there's not enough evidence of collusion but that TRUMP IS ALSO NOT EXONERATED (that part is lost a lot of the time on Fox News).
Fire down, Obi-Wan.
Thought I schooled you earlier on an "exoneration" by a prosecutor, but I guess you need to be schooled, yet again.
PROSECUTORS DO NOT EXONERATE. THEY INDICT... OR THEY DON'T.
And now, we find out that those close to Mueller are saying they're disappointed in how Barr has handled their two years of hard work.
LMAO. Because of your NYSlimes link earlier? The one that quoted NO ONE (source) by name?
THAT's the journalism that impresses you? And we're the rubes?
Wow... almost like I'd been saying ALL ALONG. GOD it feels so good to be so right all the time.
You've been "right" about 0.
EDIT: Now quick! Call it fake news! Or pivot to "but Obama/Hillary/the Democrats did X, Y, Z!" Go ahead.
Because I didn't post about his nomination on a message board to a bunch of red hats means I wasn't paying attention at all?
I'm right again just by default because your post was such a complete and utter waste of time. Be off with you, now, you silly tard.
EDIT: By the way, thanks for the Mark Levin clip that I won't click on. As if I'm gonna spend an hour+ and drink your Kool-Aid. You're the one that supports the con artist. I can't be bought that easily.
It must be nice living in a reality when you're the only one who's right all the time.
I'm almost trying to facetiously point out you guys' rationale is literally the exact same. Yeah, of course I actually believe I'm 100% right, but I have a feeling you do too.
There's no more common ground to find, I don't believe. I pretty much can't talk politics with my Trump friends anymore. They've just become a militant anti-fact bunch, and I know they view me as some faggy, Pinko-communist so why bother.
For as long as I’ve been able to vote, every election
outside of Obama, has been a lesser of two evils type of election, where people
are voting not for a candidate but against the other candidate. As long as we’re inside that paradigm, we’re
guaranteed to be stuck with an unsatisfying political experience.
Clearly the issue is an issue of the primaries, not of the
final election. We’re not even getting
good candidates to vote on. Part of it
is that the media gets biased towards certain candidates and against other
candidates. You can see it clearly with
Biden. The videos are out there. He’s clearly creepy by anyone’s
standards. The mainstream media is
softening the blow. Other candidates
they sensationalize the smallest things and run with them. I think large bankroll’s dominate
elections. Whoever is better at
fundraising generally wins. I think we
need voter IDs. We need to eliminate the
ability for people to vote multiple times, or for dead people to vote, or
non-citizens. We need transparent audits
of our voting machines, so that we know that our vote counts.
I’m not sure what the right answer is. I like the idea of instant runoff voting. I think that is the most direct route for
solving the lesser of two evils paradigm.
I’m not well researched enough to know of it’s flaws.
I think that reducing federal government size would
help. Try to fulfill needs at the
smallest and most local level possible.
I also like the idea of changing how politics works, such
that instead of electing a politician that has a fixed term, at any time I
choose a person to represent me in voting, and if someone is sucking it up, I
can switch my politician.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ KingBash said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ KingBash said:
Let me explain this to you, how we all view this, through a rational lens.
lol
Mueller indicts LOTS AND LOTS of people connected to the Trump campaign/administration.
Trump installs a lackey as AG in Barr.
LOL. The only Barr you knew about was Anthony.
You made 0 posts re: William Barr whilst he was being nominated/confirmed by the US Senate.
(FTR, Mike Olson made 1 post re: the next AG)
But yeah, you're a sage. lmaoooooo
All of us call bullshit as we can see how this will play out.
NOT SURPRISINGLY, Barr gets the report and says there's not enough evidence of collusion but that TRUMP IS ALSO NOT EXONERATED (that part is lost a lot of the time on Fox News).
Fire down, Obi-Wan.
Thought I schooled you earlier on an "exoneration" by a prosecutor, but I guess you need to be schooled, yet again.
PROSECUTORS DO NOT EXONERATE. THEY INDICT... OR THEY DON'T.
And now, we find out that those close to Mueller are saying they're disappointed in how Barr has handled their two years of hard work.
LMAO. Because of your NYSlimes link earlier? The one that quoted NO ONE (source) by name?
THAT's the journalism that impresses you? And we're the rubes?
Wow... almost like I'd been saying ALL ALONG. GOD it feels so good to be so right all the time.
You've been "right" about 0.
EDIT: Now quick! Call it fake news! Or pivot to "but Obama/Hillary/the Democrats did X, Y, Z!" Go ahead.
Because I didn't post about his nomination on a message board to a bunch of red hats means I wasn't paying attention at all?
I'm right again just by default because your post was such a complete and utter waste of time. Be off with you, now, you silly tard.
EDIT: By the way, thanks for the Mark Levin clip that I won't click on. As if I'm gonna spend an hour+ and drink your Kool-Aid. You're the one that supports the con artist. I can't be bought that easily.
It must be nice living in a reality when you're the only one who's right all the time.
I'm almost trying to facetiously point out you guys' rationale is literally the exact same. Yeah, of course I actually believe I'm 100% right, but I have a feeling you do too.
There's no more common ground to find, I don't believe. I pretty much can't talk politics with my Trump friends anymore. They've just become a militant anti-fact bunch, and I know they view me as some faggy, Pinko-communist so why bother.
I think the word you're looking for is "snowflake". Just trying to help.
Quote: @medaille said:
For as long as I’ve been able to vote, every election
outside of Obama, has been a lesser of two evils type of election, where people
are voting not for a candidate but against the other candidate. As long as we’re inside that paradigm, we’re
guaranteed to be stuck with an unsatisfying political experience.
Clearly the issue is an issue of the primaries, not of the
final election. We’re not even getting
good candidates to vote on. Part of it
is that the media gets biased towards certain candidates and against other
candidates. You can see it clearly with
Biden. The videos are out there. He’s clearly creepy by anyone’s
standards. The mainstream media is
softening the blow. Other candidates
they sensationalize the smallest things and run with them. I think large bankroll’s dominate
elections. Whoever is better at
fundraising generally wins. I think we
need voter IDs. We need to eliminate the
ability for people to vote multiple times, or for dead people to vote, or
non-citizens. We need transparent audits
of our voting machines, so that we know that our vote counts.
I’m not sure what the right answer is. I like the idea of instant runoff voting. I think that is the most direct route for
solving the lesser of two evils paradigm.
I’m not well researched enough to know of it’s flaws.
I think that reducing federal government size would
help. Try to fulfill needs at the
smallest and most local level possible.
I also like the idea of changing how politics works, such
that instead of electing a politician that has a fixed term, at any time I
choose a person to represent me in voting, and if someone is sucking it up, I
can switch my politician.
I have a suggestion that would work wonders: make it a requirement for citizens to pass a basic civics test before they are allowed to vote in federal elections. Or make it a requirement that only those who pay an income tax can vote. But those things will NEVER pass, because it will limit who is eligible to vote. In my opinion: as long as anyone is able to vote- despite having no knowledge of how the world works- this is what we will get: elections that pit one "celebrity" vs. another (or, to put it another way, pure populism).
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ greediron said:
denial isn't just a river in Egypt. So a bunch of Dem's that pinned their hope on Mueller finding something, anything are disappointed and want to blame Barr.
But yes, you are correct. You and Maddow.
You're making my point. Mueller's team just said Barr is fucking the American people out of the truth essentially, and you're screaming "fake news" as usual.
Meanwhile, the orange retard is busy posting Tweets like these.
This is why we all look down on and dismiss people like you for supporting him.
and why you are considered a sage.
tired of the nonsense you post as facts. I am out.
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