Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
What if I told you you could get your QBOTF AND keep your 1st and 2nd rounder? Because I think you could get Fields for a 3rd or lower. Any takers?
https://twitter.com/Chicago_NFL/status/1...23280?s=20
I think the last thing the Bears would want to do is trade him within the division, but if we weren't in position to nab a QB in the draft...Fields would be the kind of young, high upside QB you'd want to take a swing on. I think the jury is still out on Fields.
Jury might still be out, but the bailiff is walking them to the court room.
For the record, I don't make that deal. I don't believe in Fields. But there is, what, maybe a 35% chance he could blossom with our line, weapons and offense? A 3rd or 4th rounder might be worth a taking that shot.
I will say this in defense of Fields, he hasn't had the best supporting cast or coaches to bring him along during his time in Chicago. Even at that there's been some glimpses and enough to think just maaaaaybe under the right circumstances he could blossom. I wouldn't have a problem if the Vikings rolled the dice on him but there's no way the Bears take the risk of him blossoming for a division rival.
Well trading w/ Chicago would complete the Kwazy trifecta…!  :o
So the 'experts' consensus is there are 4 first round QBs: Williams, Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Agree or disagree?
Quote: @StickyBun said:
So the 'experts' consensus is there are 4 first round QBs: Williams, Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Agree or disagree?
I'd have five...
Top 10
Drake Maye
Jayden Daniels
Caleb Williams
11-32
Bo Nix
JJ McCarthy
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
So the 'experts' consensus is there are 4 first round QBs: Williams, Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Agree or disagree?
I'd have five...
Top 10
Drake Maye
Jayden Daniels
Caleb Williams
11-32
Bo Nix
JJ McCarthy
Man, Nix is interesting. Former star H.S. recruit. He's a playmaker and exceptional leader. Top tier pocket mobility. Compact and quick release. Decent athlete. But can have sloppy mechanics and poor pocket awareness. Less than ideal height at 6'2", but stocky build. He's a bit raw, but he's improved a ton at Oregon.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
So the 'experts' consensus is there are 4 first round QBs: Williams, Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Agree or disagree?
I'd have five...
Top 10
Drake Maye
Jayden Daniels
Caleb Williams
11-32
Bo Nix
JJ McCarthy
Man, Nix is interesting. Former star H.S. recruit. He's a playmaker and exceptional leader. Top tier pocket mobility. Compact and quick release. Decent athlete. But can have sloppy mechanics and poor pocket awareness. Less than ideal height at 6'2", but stocky build. He's a bit raw, but he's improved a ton at Oregon.
Nix and McCarthy are similar QBs. Neither have size issues (though JJ could use about 10 lbs). Both have similar arm talent, are terrific runners and seem to have top-level character. And I think which one goes first depends on preference. I think the Vikings would be pretty happy to see either one of them where they pick.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Knucklehead said:
@ supafreak84 said:
For what it's worth, Kiper's recent QB draft rankings;
1. Caleb Williams
2. Drake Maye
3. Shedeur Sanders
4. Jayden Daniel's
5. Bo Nix
6. Carson Beck
7. JJ McCarthy
8. Michael Penix Jr
9. Michael Pratt
10. Spencer Rattler
I don't subscribe to ESPN+. Did Kiper mention if Jordan Travis was omitted due to the injury that he sustained?
Not sure Travis would be in the top 10 even without the injury.
I'll give you the top 8, but I can't imagine a healthy Travis not being a better prospect than both Pratt & Rattler. I actually like Pratt. As of today I can see him being drafted as high as the 3rd round. But he plays for Tulane in the AAC. Whereas Travis put up monster numbers at FSU & led them to an undefeated season.
As for Spencer Rattler, well, he's Spencer Rattler.
At the end of the day all 3 may have careers as back ups but if I had to pick one that could break through as a starter, I see Travis as having the highest ceiling.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
So the 'experts' consensus is there are 4 first round QBs: Williams, Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Agree or disagree?
I'd have five...
Top 10
Drake Maye
Jayden Daniels
Caleb Williams
11-32
Bo Nix
JJ McCarthy
Some more than others, but I’d be excited about any of these 5.
I’d also take a shot on Fields if the Bears would send him our way and we can bolster the DL in the first (and second?). More than likely Fields will go to a team like Atlanta or Tennessee though. Maybe Las Vegas. I think he’s shown enough to at least be an average starter for a good team, and he's only 24. The problem with him and what might depress his market a bit is say you pick up his fifth year option. That gives a team only two years to decide if he’s worth a massive contract, and at least one of those years will be him learning a new system on a new team. For a 2024 fourth I’d pull the trigger but the opportunity cost of missing out on one of those rookies is not nothing.
EDIT- And no one asked but I’m out on Penix I think unless it’s a middle round pick. Maybe it’s the ghost of Teddy talking but his knee injuries terrify me.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/fr...t-qb-class
I think people are being unrealistic when it comes to Penix. 1 healthy season in 5. 4 season-ending injuries, including two ACLs...all for a guy with a wonky motion that slows his release.
Man, you have to love part of his game. The arm, the accuracy, the patience in the pocket. He could end up being the best QB in this class, but do you take on that kind of risk in the 1st round? I have a hard time seeing it.
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