Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
I would love to know how Minnesota has their Draft QB board laid out.
You and everyone else. But I can see why they like JJM. Similar pro offense. Has that shortstop side arm that I love so much in Mahomes, Levis, etc. Can really run, but definitely a pocket-first QB. And if current rankings hold (they won't) you might be able to get him in the middle first.
McCarthy has improved his accuracy, a weakness before this year. But it will still be a weakness starting out as a NFL passer....windows are smaller. His knock before was he wasn't deep ball accurate and he's made strides. I hope he can still be had around the 14-17 pick mid-round 1 and Minnesota can get him. He's got swag to him as well, a very confident athlete. Really nice arm. 6'3+", around 210 lbs. he's got a solid build to him. Big time 4 star recruit.
I'd love to hear Mgoblue's thoughts on this, but I've watched McCarthy play against all the ranked opponents on their schedule this year (Penn State, OSU and against Iowa) and just have not been impressed. He's thrown for a grand total of 1 TD in those games and didn't surpass 150 yards passing in any of them. Is he just a game manager, or is he capable of putting a team on his back and winning a game by himself? I don't think we know that yet. Be very interesting to see how he performs against Alabama and if they advance from there
I've seen too many great, big program QBs fail in the NFL. QBs who won everything--Heismans, National Championships--guys who put teams on their back and consistently beat top competition at the college level...only to fail in the NFL.
So for me it's more about translatable skills and JJM has a few of those.
Yep, college stats mean next to nothing. Guys in college are wide open catching the football consistently, compared to being that open very, very rarely in the NFL. That's part of why its so difficult to predict. And when you are a Georgia or Alabama and have the best athletes at every position compared to their competition, how do you compare that to the NFL where the talent is very closely grouped, even on 'bad' teams? Aaron Rodgers was considered a 'system QB' and that's why he slid a bit in the Draft.
Nobody knows for sure. And any media or fans that think they do are kidding themselves. Grab a dart and throw it at the board, you'll get the same result.
What's funny is that the NFL is no better at it than your typical armchair drafter. There are just too many factors, and the most important ones in my mind (clarity of thought, poise) are really hard to see.
For what it's worth, Kiper's recent QB draft rankings;
1. Caleb Williams
2. Drake Maye
3. Shedeur Sanders
4. Jayden Daniel's
5. Bo Nix
6. Carson Beck
7. JJ McCarthy
8. Michael Penix Jr
9. Michael Pratt
10. Spencer Rattler
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
I would love to know how Minnesota has their Draft QB board laid out.
You and everyone else. But I can see why they like JJM. Similar pro offense. Has that shortstop side arm that I love so much in Mahomes, Levis, etc. Can really run, but definitely a pocket-first QB. And if current rankings hold (they won't) you might be able to get him in the middle first.
McCarthy has improved his accuracy, a weakness before this year. But it will still be a weakness starting out as a NFL passer....windows are smaller. His knock before was he wasn't deep ball accurate and he's made strides. I hope he can still be had around the 14-17 pick mid-round 1 and Minnesota can get him. He's got swag to him as well, a very confident athlete. Really nice arm. 6'3+", around 210 lbs. he's got a solid build to him. Big time 4 star recruit.
I'd love to hear Mgoblue's thoughts on this, but I've watched McCarthy play against all the ranked opponents on their schedule this year (Penn State, OSU and against Iowa) and just have not been impressed. He's thrown for a grand total of 1 TD in those games and didn't surpass 150 yards passing in any of them. Is he just a game manager, or is he capable of putting a team on his back and winning a game by himself? I don't think we know that yet. Be very interesting to see how he performs against Alabama and if they advance from there
Its a fair question about McCarthy. I'm very curious to see where he goes in the Draft.
Kiper on McCarthy;
Who's the wild-card QB in this class?Kiper: It's Michigan's J.J. McCarthy, who has been one of the most difficult evaluations of this entire class. He has the tools to be in the mix for that No. 3 QB spot, but he just didn't convince me down the stretch. Where were the "wow" throws? I didn't see him go through progressions much. Sure, he only had four interceptions, but three of those came against ... Bowling Green? Plus, he wasn't asked to beat teams with his arm, partly because the Wolverines blew out all of their opponents until November.
It's clear McCarthy has a ton of talent, but not all NFL teams are going to be in love with him, which means he could drop to Day 2. I have him as my No. 7 QB right now.
Penix medicals and throwing motion are going to scare a lot of teams away. It’ll be interesting to see if he’s a huge steal and 3 years from now we all say, duh, or if he can’t overcome the aforementioned knocks.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
For what it's worth, Kiper's recent QB draft rankings;
1. Caleb Williams
2. Drake Maye
3. Shedeur Sanders
4. Jayden Daniel's
5. Bo Nix
6. Carson Beck
7. JJ McCarthy
8. Michael Penix Jr
9. Michael Pratt
10. Spencer Rattler
Wow, Sanders that high? I guess I need to watch more of him, but the odds of him coming out are really low. I agree with Kiper on Penix tho. Given his injuries, I'd be really surprised if he went in 1st round.
Remember all those QBs who were regularly mocked at the top of the 1st round of their drafts only to go in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th? Fromm, Clausen, Mallett...I think Penix could be that guy this year.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
For what it's worth, Kiper's recent QB draft rankings;
1. Caleb Williams
2. Drake Maye
3. Shedeur Sanders
4. Jayden Daniel's
5. Bo Nix
6. Carson Beck
7. JJ McCarthy
8. Michael Penix Jr
9. Michael Pratt
10. Spencer Rattler
Wow, Sanders that high? I guess I need to watch more of him, but the odds of him coming out are really low. I agree with Kiper on Penix tho. Given his injuries, I'd be really surprised if he went in 1st round.
Remember all those QBs who were regularly mocked at the top of the 1st round of their drafts only to go in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th? Fromm, Clausen, Mallett...I think Penix could be that guy this year.
ESPN did a Q&A with Kiper, Matt Miller, and Field Yates regarding draft questions (which is where I pulled Kipers comments on McCarthy). They all have Sanders 3rd, along with many scouts they've talked to, but they do not expect him to declare. He'll likely stay to help save Dad's reputation after Colorado sank this year.
Wow, it would be so nice if McCarthy or Penix fell to us.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
For what it's worth, Kiper's recent QB draft rankings;
1. Caleb Williams
2. Drake Maye
3. Shedeur Sanders
4. Jayden Daniel's
5. Bo Nix
6. Carson Beck
7. JJ McCarthy
8. Michael Penix Jr
9. Michael Pratt
10. Spencer Rattler
Wow, Sanders that high? I guess I need to watch more of him, but the odds of him coming out are really low. I agree with Kiper on Penix tho. Given his injuries, I'd be really surprised if he went in 1st round.
Remember all those QBs who were regularly mocked at the top of the 1st round of their drafts only to go in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th? Fromm, Clausen, Mallett...I think Penix could be that guy this year.
I love Sanders and have been saying as much since the beginning of the CFB season. He'd be my #3 as well. He's got really good NFL traits IMO.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
I would love to know how Minnesota has their Draft QB board laid out.
You and everyone else. But I can see why they like JJM. Similar pro offense. Has that shortstop side arm that I love so much in Mahomes, Levis, etc. Can really run, but definitely a pocket-first QB. And if current rankings hold (they won't) you might be able to get him in the middle first.
McCarthy has improved his accuracy, a weakness before this year. But it will still be a weakness starting out as a NFL passer....windows are smaller. His knock before was he wasn't deep ball accurate and he's made strides. I hope he can still be had around the 14-17 pick mid-round 1 and Minnesota can get him. He's got swag to him as well, a very confident athlete. Really nice arm. 6'3+", around 210 lbs. he's got a solid build to him. Big time 4 star recruit.
I'd love to hear Mgoblue's thoughts on this, but I've watched McCarthy play against all the ranked opponents on their schedule this year (Penn State, OSU and against Iowa) and just have not been impressed. He's thrown for a grand total of 1 TD in those games and didn't surpass 150 yards passing in any of them. Is he just a game manager, or is he capable of putting a team on his back and winning a game by himself? I don't think we know that yet. Be very interesting to see how he performs against Alabama and if they advance from there
Its a fair question about McCarthy. I'm very curious to see where he goes in the Draft.
Kiper on McCarthy;
Who's the wild-card QB in this class? Kiper: It's Michigan's J.J. McCarthy, who has been one of the most difficult evaluations of this entire class. He has the tools to be in the mix for that No. 3 QB spot, but he just didn't convince me down the stretch. Where were the "wow" throws? I didn't see him go through progressions much. Sure, he only had four interceptions, but three of those came against ... Bowling Green? Plus, he wasn't asked to beat teams with his arm, partly because the Wolverines blew out all of their opponents until November.
It's clear McCarthy has a ton of talent, but not all NFL teams are going to be in love with him, which means he could drop to Day 2. I have him as my No. 7 QB right now.
I think its fair to question McCarthy. Its a risk, but his potential upside is very high. He needs further development as a passer.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
For what it's worth, Kiper's recent QB draft rankings;
1. Caleb Williams
2. Drake Maye
3. Shedeur Sanders
4. Jayden Daniel's
5. Bo Nix
6. Carson Beck
7. JJ McCarthy
8. Michael Penix Jr
9. Michael Pratt
10. Spencer Rattler
Wow, Sanders that high? I guess I need to watch more of him, but the odds of him coming out are really low. I agree with Kiper on Penix tho. Given his injuries, I'd be really surprised if he went in 1st round.
Remember all those QBs who were regularly mocked at the top of the 1st round of their drafts only to go in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th? Fromm, Clausen, Mallett...I think Penix could be that guy this year.
ESPN did a Q&A with Kiper, Matt Miller, and Field Yates regarding draft questions (which is where I pulled Kipers comments on McCarthy). They all have Sanders 3rd, along with many scouts they've talked to, but they do not expect him to declare. He'll likely stay to help save Dad's reputation after Colorado sank this year.
It's in Sanders best interest to declare for the draft. He was pummeled behind that OL this year & Colorado won't be able to fix it with a single recruiting class.
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