California governor outlines plan to reopen in conjunction with West Coast states
The Democrat did not give a date that the current state-at-home order would end. It currently extends through May 3 statewide, and longer in places like Los Angeles, which has a stay-at-home in effect until May 15.
"There is no light switch here, it's more like a dimmer," Newsom said. "I know you want the timeline, but we can't get ahead of ourselves and dream of regretting. Let's not make the mistake of pulling the plug too early, as much as we want to."
"I don't want to make a political decision that puts people's lives at risk and puts the economy at even more risk by extending the period of time before we can ultimately transition and get people moving again."
Newsom told reporters to check back with him in two weeks, when he may be able to outline exact dates if California sees a flattening, and then decline, of coronavirus hospitalization rates, as well as a reduction in the number of people in intensive care unit beds. A third major factor determining the date, he said, would be building a workforce of health care workers who can trace coronavirus infections in order to isolate the infected.
He warned that Californians should prepare to enter a radically different realm where residents continue to wear masks, and where they may be greeted at restaurants by waiters wearing masks and gloves with disposable menus in venues that have half as many tables. Local school officials would develop new protocols, he said, for physical education classes and recess at schools, as well as processes to deeply clean and sanitize schools, parks and playgrounds to keep infection rates down.
Outlining a framework for reopening the economy, the California governor said the dates would be determined by the ability to do six things: expand testing to identify and isolate patients, maintain vigilance to protect seniors and high risk people, be able to meet future surges in hospitals with a "myriad of protective gear," continue to collaborate with academia on therapies and treatments, redraw regulations to ensure continued physical distancing at private businesses and schools and develop new enforcement mechanisms to allow the state to pull back and reinstate stay-at-home orders.
Newsom said it was an optimistic new phase where the state will move from its surge response, transitioning "into suppression, ultimately on our way to herd immunity, and ultimately to a vaccine."
"We are not out of the woods yet, we are not spiking the ball," Newsom said. "But we also extend a recognition in that light that this can't be a permanent state, and I want you to know, it's not -- it will not be a permanent state.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/politics/...index.html
There are apparently 116 people in South Korea now who have tested positive a 2nd time after being released from treatment. Sounds like they are trying to determine if perhaps the initial positive tests were inaccurate - if the virus revived itself after treatment or if it was fresh exposure to the virus post treatment...
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2...87752.html
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There are apparently 116 people in South Korea now who have tested positive a 2nd time after being released from treatment. Sounds like they are trying to determine if perhaps the initial positive tests were inaccurate - if the virus revived itself after treatment or if it was fresh exposure to the virus post treatment...
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2...87752.html
Thats kinda disturbing.
did these people have anti-bodies and now caught it again?
Would F up a lot if its determined anti-bodies aren't indicative of immunity...A real lot.
We haven't heard the same from Europe yet, or China. Not that China would be very forthcoming.
Hope they get to the bottom of it - quickly.
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@ mblack said:
From: abcnews
Investigators stumbled onto the scheme while looking into whether they could intercept the masks for the Federal Emergency Management Agency under the Defense Production Act, the U.S. attorney’s office said Friday.
The federal government has been quietly seizing supplies across the country as the outbreak spreads. But in this case, there was no warehouse, and there were no masks to seize, the Los Angeles Times reported.
So let me get this straight... states are supposed to take care of themselves and when they try to order masks the federal government has been quietly seizing them.
No, they’ve been seizing hoarded supplies, not commercial supplies headed to states. They do pay for them them even though they’ve been hoarded.
Secondly, at no time have the states been told to “take care of themselves”. The closest thing to that is when Trump said it would likely be faster for them if they tried to buy direct themselves. He was saying that could avoid the red tape and time it takes to get it through the feds. This was then purposely misstated by the media to imply he was saying they were on their own.
I am going to just post this here.
Quote:- Hospitals in seven states say the federal government has been quietly seizing medical supply orders amid the coronavirus crisis, a Los Angeles Times investigation revealed April 7.
- Officials and staff at the hospitals told the newspaper they never received guidance on why the materials were taken, where they went, or when they can expect replacement orders.
- Government acquisitions have ranged from thermometers and testing kits to face masks, according to the LA Times.
- A FEMA representative told the newspaper that "high-transmission areas were prioritized, and allocations were based on population, not on quantities requested."
Source: www.businessinsider.com
From the LA times article
Quote:- PeaceHealth, a 10-hospital system in Washington, Oregon and Alaska, had a shipment of testing supplies seized recently.
The article does not talk about stock piles or hoarded materials. These are recently placed orders and shipments AFTER the president had directed states and hospitals to secure what supplies they can.
At the bold statement you made. So going by your phrase, Trump said states should try to buy direct and when the states buy direct FEMA then confiscates the shipments. OK! I guess there is nothing to see here.
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Remember when the kiddies were calling this the "BOOMER DOOMER", or other cute names because they were told that it wouldnt affect them? about half our cases are people under 40 here.
AGE GROUP OF SOUTH DAKOTA COVID-19 CASES| Age Range | # of Cases | # of Deaths |
|---|
0 to 19 years
| 44
| 0
| 20 to 29 years
| 187
| 0
| 30 to 39 years
| 246
| 0
| 40 to 49 years
| 187
| 0
| 50 to 59 years
| 182
| 2
| 60 to 69 years
| 110
| 1
| 70 to 79 years
| 18
| 1
| 80+ years
| 14
| 2
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Cases, not deaths. Anyone of any age can get it and be a "case." It's just that older people are much more likely to die from it. And not because they're old, but because they're more likely to have an underlying issue like obesity, HBP or diabetes.
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@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1250095233632808961?s=19
not making a political statement here, but its funny how this guys is like teflon... he has made a lot of statements that in hindsight have proven to be inaccurate. he is our leading expert and has been proven wrong by this thing as much as he's been right. its no wonder the country is turned on itself when even the experts are wrong more than a weather man. what are we all to believe?
Well I believe the treating of the whole country like NYC is silly.
I think they recognize that and we'll see differences depending on demography. At least I hope so.
What they do in Jimmys part of the world in South Dakota (which never issued a SAH order) will look vastly different than NYS or even MN.
This also quickly leads into a discussion of Governors vs Feds and who has the final say on how and when.
Even big states governed by Cuomo and Newsome may do things radically different from each other.
even in regions of states, what would have been best in SFalls, wouldnt have made sense in other places necessarily. even the timing of the stay at home orders. a nation wide blanket order would have been futile and useless based on the spread, just as a nationwide reopening would be equally ignorant as we are all at different stages with this thing in terms of herd exposure and any developed immunity.
I am really hoping this pin prick test for immunity is able to be mass produced rapidly so that we can start clearing parts of the country and especially certain industries to get the economy starting to roll again. I dont agree with the sentiment of the the president that this economy is going to come roaring back, if we reopen the country cautiously and smart it will result in a slow restart, but it will be the smartest way to do it until more is known or we will be back to quarantining in a matter of a few months.
hell, Smithfield Meat Packing Plant should have had it's own set of rules, let alone a county.
thats been one of my biggest disappointments from a multiple standpoints. I know for a fact that our Gov has been very on top of each case (especially the deaths) early on in this disease and that tracking those early cases back to contain spread was a priority. I have to think that there was more at play here than a lack of a stay at home order that allowed that packing plant to go to shit like it has. lots of misinformation on that specific issue and lots of finger pointing is sure to come. what rattles me is that everybody keeps pointing the fingers at the govt agency above them... there was no reason that sioux falls itself or even the 2 major counties down there couldnt have acted sooner. of course Smithfield is the one IMO that should be the first to be held to the fire for failing to keep their employees safe. I would suggest lawsuits could be coming. Ultimately though, this is on the employees that went to work sick and infected their co-workers, absolutely selfish no matter what the reasoning behind it. I am waiting for it to now spread to all the dairies in the area since the packing house is closed there will be a shit load of unskilled labor looking to make a pay check and they wont follow any orders to stay home.
The Iowa attorney general explained it in a Q&A that our State Constitution doesn't allow for city, county other local entity to have more strict laws than the State.
It's easy to put it on the employee, but you are contagious before you show symptoms, that's the testing thing. If you know you got it, your two weeks too late to stop the spread
thats a very interesting law and one that likely could be challenged if in fact it is legit. Cities do a lot of things that arent state laws like curfews, snow ordinances and such. I know here in SD that Beadle County (Huron) took action and mandated some closures and stay at home stuff early on since they were the fastest growing area in SD right out of the gate.
EDIT: I do believe that local govts cant over rule higher mandates in terms of leniency, like lowering their drinking ages and shit like that.
The stay in place mandate was what he was referring to, not everything but it's Iowa. State Moto is if there isn't a rule we'll make one.
Interesting edit Jimmy. I have read varying opinions on this. I have read they can’t lower drinking age ... but also have read counties can decriminalize marijuana.
Some time when I have more time - I will research this.
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@ BlackMagic7 said:
There are apparently 116 people in South Korea now who have tested positive a 2nd time after being released from treatment. Sounds like they are trying to determine if perhaps the initial positive tests were inaccurate - if the virus revived itself after treatment or if it was fresh exposure to the virus post treatment...
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2...87752.html
Thats kinda disturbing.
did these people have anti-bodies and now caught it again?
Would F up a lot if its determined anti-bodies aren't indicative of immunity...A real lot.
We haven't heard the same from Europe yet, or China. Not that China would be very forthcoming.
Hope they get to the bottom of it - quickly.
Scary as shit if this virus mutated and presents as itself but antibodies are different. Think flu shot goals but 10x harder to hit the mark...basically pointless at that point.
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Interesting edit Jimmy. I have read varying opinions on this. I have read they can’t lower drinking age ... but also have read counties can decriminalize marijuana.
Some time when I have more time - I will research this.
Typically local authorities can make restrictions greater...think HOAs, but they cant ease them from the intent of the law.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ A1Janitor said:
Interesting edit Jimmy. I have read varying opinions on this. I have read they can’t lower drinking age ... but also have read counties can decriminalize marijuana.
Some time when I have more time - I will research this.
Typically local authorities can make restrictions greater...think HOAs, but they cant ease them from the intent of the law.
I was told in NYS, counties can decriminalize pot that is illegal. This is making restrictions less not greater in NY.
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