Carson Beck is getting some late season pre-Draft hype: nice size, 6'4+", 220 lbs. Fiery leader. Underrated quickness out of the pocket. Would almost be a perfect backup for a year to Cousins and digest. Probably can be had in round 2 or 3.
KOC loves him some passing game...
If they can address a key need or 2 in FA? Would not surprise me if they ended-up drafting 2 QB's...
I guess it depends on what they think about Dobbs/Hall moving forward too.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
I would love to know how Minnesota has their Draft QB board laid out.
You and everyone else. But I can see why they like JJM. Similar pro offense. Has that shortstop side arm that I love so much in Mahomes, Levis, etc. Can really run, but definitely a pocket-first QB. And if current rankings hold (they won't) you might be able to get him in the middle first.
McCarthy has improved his accuracy, a weakness before this year. But it will still be a weakness starting out as a NFL passer....windows are smaller. His knock before was he wasn't deep ball accurate and he's made strides. I hope he can still be had around the 14-17 pick mid-round 1 and Minnesota can get him. He's got swag to him as well, a very confident athlete. Really nice arm. 6'3+", around 210 lbs. he's got a solid build to him. Big time 4 star recruit.
I'd love to hear Mgoblue's thoughts on this, but I've watched McCarthy play against all the ranked opponents on their schedule this year (Penn State, OSU and against Iowa) and just have not been impressed. He's thrown for a grand total of 1 TD in those games and didn't surpass 150 yards passing in any of them. Is he just a game manager, or is he capable of putting a team on his back and winning a game by himself? I don't think we know that yet. Be very interesting to see how he performs against Alabama and if they advance from there
McCarthy or Penix and we will be set
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Watching Penix's trebuchet-like windup and release is like nails on a chalkboard, but damned if he isn't accurate. Just don't know how that's going to translate to the NFL. And has anyone ever seen him run the football? Like ever? Just one clip. Love to see it.
Find some clips of Penix's Indiana days. Spent every game running for his life.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
I would love to know how Minnesota has their Draft QB board laid out.
You and everyone else. But I can see why they like JJM. Similar pro offense. Has that shortstop side arm that I love so much in Mahomes, Levis, etc. Can really run, but definitely a pocket-first QB. And if current rankings hold (they won't) you might be able to get him in the middle first.
McCarthy has improved his accuracy, a weakness before this year. But it will still be a weakness starting out as a NFL passer....windows are smaller. His knock before was he wasn't deep ball accurate and he's made strides. I hope he can still be had around the 14-17 pick mid-round 1 and Minnesota can get him. He's got swag to him as well, a very confident athlete. Really nice arm. 6'3+", around 210 lbs. he's got a solid build to him. Big time 4 star recruit.
I'd love to hear Mgoblue's thoughts on this, but I've watched McCarthy play against all the ranked opponents on their schedule this year (Penn State, OSU and against Iowa) and just have not been impressed. He's thrown for a grand total of 1 TD in those games and didn't surpass 150 yards passing in any of them. Is he just a game manager, or is he capable of putting a team on his back and winning a game by himself? I don't think we know that yet. Be very interesting to see how he performs against Alabama and if they advance from there
Its a fair question about McCarthy. I'm very curious to see where he goes in the Draft.
Quote: @RS Express said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Watching Penix's trebuchet-like windup and release is like nails on a chalkboard, but damned if he isn't accurate. Just don't know how that's going to translate to the NFL. And has anyone ever seen him run the football? Like ever? Just one clip. Love to see it.
Find some clips of Penix's Indiana days. Spent every game running for his life.
Just watched some of his Indiana clips. I saw one run...a 1 yard end around TD. But interestingly, I found a high school fluff piece where he ran all over the field. He's got some wheels, or at least he did then. But he made a big point at the time that he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not a running QB. His almost stubborn insistence on staying in the pocket at Washington borders on OCD. 20 years ago that probably helps him in the draft. Now I think it might hurt him a little.
At the end of the day, considering the slow release, all the injuries, despite not really running the ball, MPJ might have too much baggage for a top 20 pick.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ RS Express said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Watching Penix's trebuchet-like windup and release is like nails on a chalkboard, but damned if he isn't accurate. Just don't know how that's going to translate to the NFL. And has anyone ever seen him run the football? Like ever? Just one clip. Love to see it.
Find some clips of Penix's Indiana days. Spent every game running for his life.
Just watched some of his Indiana clips. I saw one run...a 1 yard end around TD. But interestingly, I found a high school fluff piece where he ran all over the field. He's got some wheels, or at least he did then. But he made a big point at the time that he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not a running QB. His almost stubborn insistence on staying in the pocket at Washington borders on OCD. 20 years ago that probably helps him in the draft. Now I think it might hurt him a little.
At the end of the day, considering the slow release, all the injuries, despite not really running the ball, MPJ might have too much baggage for a top 20 pick.
he typically runs a couple times a game, not usually anything to write home about, but he doesnt get sacked very often either, but yeah the flip style arm motion seems like its a bit slow of a release at times and could be problematic at the next level, but his accuracy is probably the most impressive of the guys out there. Not a lot of wow to his playing style, but he can drop it in a bucket or let it fly when necessary.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
I would love to know how Minnesota has their Draft QB board laid out.
You and everyone else. But I can see why they like JJM. Similar pro offense. Has that shortstop side arm that I love so much in Mahomes, Levis, etc. Can really run, but definitely a pocket-first QB. And if current rankings hold (they won't) you might be able to get him in the middle first.
McCarthy has improved his accuracy, a weakness before this year. But it will still be a weakness starting out as a NFL passer....windows are smaller. His knock before was he wasn't deep ball accurate and he's made strides. I hope he can still be had around the 14-17 pick mid-round 1 and Minnesota can get him. He's got swag to him as well, a very confident athlete. Really nice arm. 6'3+", around 210 lbs. he's got a solid build to him. Big time 4 star recruit.
I'd love to hear Mgoblue's thoughts on this, but I've watched McCarthy play against all the ranked opponents on their schedule this year (Penn State, OSU and against Iowa) and just have not been impressed. He's thrown for a grand total of 1 TD in those games and didn't surpass 150 yards passing in any of them. Is he just a game manager, or is he capable of putting a team on his back and winning a game by himself? I don't think we know that yet. Be very interesting to see how he performs against Alabama and if they advance from there
I've seen too many great, big program QBs fail in the NFL. QBs who won everything--Heismans, National Championships--guys who put teams on their back and consistently beat top competition at the college level...only to fail in the NFL.
So for me it's more about translatable skills and JJM has a few of those.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
I would love to know how Minnesota has their Draft QB board laid out.
You and everyone else. But I can see why they like JJM. Similar pro offense. Has that shortstop side arm that I love so much in Mahomes, Levis, etc. Can really run, but definitely a pocket-first QB. And if current rankings hold (they won't) you might be able to get him in the middle first.
McCarthy has improved his accuracy, a weakness before this year. But it will still be a weakness starting out as a NFL passer....windows are smaller. His knock before was he wasn't deep ball accurate and he's made strides. I hope he can still be had around the 14-17 pick mid-round 1 and Minnesota can get him. He's got swag to him as well, a very confident athlete. Really nice arm. 6'3+", around 210 lbs. he's got a solid build to him. Big time 4 star recruit.
I'd love to hear Mgoblue's thoughts on this, but I've watched McCarthy play against all the ranked opponents on their schedule this year (Penn State, OSU and against Iowa) and just have not been impressed. He's thrown for a grand total of 1 TD in those games and didn't surpass 150 yards passing in any of them. Is he just a game manager, or is he capable of putting a team on his back and winning a game by himself? I don't think we know that yet. Be very interesting to see how he performs against Alabama and if they advance from there
I've seen too many great, big program QBs fail in the NFL. QBs who won everything--Heismans, National Championships--guys who put teams on their back and consistently beat top competition at the college level...only to fail in the NFL.
So for me it's more about translatable skills and JJM has a few of those.
Yep, college stats mean next to nothing. Guys in college are wide open catching the football consistently, compared to being that open very, very rarely in the NFL. That's part of why its so difficult to predict. And when you are a Georgia or Alabama and have the best athletes at every position compared to their competition, how do you compare that to the NFL where the talent is very closely grouped, even on 'bad' teams? Aaron Rodgers was considered a 'system QB' and that's why he slid a bit in the Draft.
Nobody knows for sure. And any media or fans that think they do are kidding themselves. Grab a dart and throw it at the board, you'll get the same result.
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