Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1250095233632808961?s=19
not making a political statement here, but its funny how this guys is like teflon... he has made a lot of statements that in hindsight have proven to be inaccurate. he is our leading expert and has been proven wrong by this thing as much as he's been right. its no wonder the country is turned on itself when even the experts are wrong more than a weather man. what are we all to believe?
Well I believe the treating of the whole country like NYC is silly.
I think they recognize that and we'll see differences depending on demography. At least I hope so.
What they do in Jimmys part of the world in South Dakota (which never issued a SAH order) will look vastly different than NYS or even MN.
This also quickly leads into a discussion of Governors vs Feds and who has the final say on how and when.
Even big states governed by Cuomo and Newsome may do things radically different from each other.
even in regions of states, what would have been best in SFalls, wouldnt have made sense in other places necessarily. even the timing of the stay at home orders. a nation wide blanket order would have been futile and useless based on the spread, just as a nationwide reopening would be equally ignorant as we are all at different stages with this thing in terms of herd exposure and any developed immunity.
I am really hoping this pin prick test for immunity is able to be mass produced rapidly so that we can start clearing parts of the country and especially certain industries to get the economy starting to roll again. I dont agree with the sentiment of the the president that this economy is going to come roaring back, if we reopen the country cautiously and smart it will result in a slow restart, but it will be the smartest way to do it until more is known or we will be back to quarantining in a matter of a few months.
hell, Smithfield Meat Packing Plant should have had it's own set of rules, let alone a county.
thats been one of my biggest disappointments from a multiple standpoints. I know for a fact that our Gov has been very on top of each case (especially the deaths) early on in this disease and that tracking those early cases back to contain spread was a priority. I have to think that there was more at play here than a lack of a stay at home order that allowed that packing plant to go to shit like it has. lots of misinformation on that specific issue and lots of finger pointing is sure to come. what rattles me is that everybody keeps pointing the fingers at the govt agency above them... there was no reason that sioux falls itself or even the 2 major counties down there couldnt have acted sooner. of course Smithfield is the one IMO that should be the first to be held to the fire for failing to keep their employees safe. I would suggest lawsuits could be coming. Ultimately though, this is on the employees that went to work sick and infected their co-workers, absolutely selfish no matter what the reasoning behind it. I am waiting for it to now spread to all the dairies in the area since the packing house is closed there will be a shit load of unskilled labor looking to make a pay check and they wont follow any orders to stay home.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1250095233632808961?s=19
not making a political statement here, but its funny how this guys is like teflon... he has made a lot of statements that in hindsight have proven to be inaccurate. he is our leading expert and has been proven wrong by this thing as much as he's been right. its no wonder the country is turned on itself when even the experts are wrong more than a weather man. what are we all to believe?
Well I believe the treating of the whole country like NYC is silly.
I think they recognize that and we'll see differences depending on demography. At least I hope so.
What they do in Jimmys part of the world in South Dakota (which never issued a SAH order) will look vastly different than NYS or even MN.
This also quickly leads into a discussion of Governors vs Feds and who has the final say on how and when.
Even big states governed by Cuomo and Newsome may do things radically different from each other.
even in regions of states, what would have been best in SFalls, wouldnt have made sense in other places necessarily. even the timing of the stay at home orders. a nation wide blanket order would have been futile and useless based on the spread, just as a nationwide reopening would be equally ignorant as we are all at different stages with this thing in terms of herd exposure and any developed immunity.
I am really hoping this pin prick test for immunity is able to be mass produced rapidly so that we can start clearing parts of the country and especially certain industries to get the economy starting to roll again. I dont agree with the sentiment of the the president that this economy is going to come roaring back, if we reopen the country cautiously and smart it will result in a slow restart, but it will be the smartest way to do it until more is known or we will be back to quarantining in a matter of a few months.
hell, Smithfield Meat Packing Plant should have had it's own set of rules, let alone a county.
oh, by the way... pop quiz.... who owns smithfield foods?
let the conspiracy theories fly now!
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1250095233632808961?s=19
not making a political statement here, but its funny how this guys is like teflon... he has made a lot of statements that in hindsight have proven to be inaccurate. he is our leading expert and has been proven wrong by this thing as much as he's been right. its no wonder the country is turned on itself when even the experts are wrong more than a weather man. what are we all to believe?
Well I believe the treating of the whole country like NYC is silly.
I think they recognize that and we'll see differences depending on demography. At least I hope so.
What they do in Jimmys part of the world in South Dakota (which never issued a SAH order) will look vastly different than NYS or even MN.
This also quickly leads into a discussion of Governors vs Feds and who has the final say on how and when.
Even big states governed by Cuomo and Newsome may do things radically different from each other.
even in regions of states, what would have been best in SFalls, wouldnt have made sense in other places necessarily. even the timing of the stay at home orders. a nation wide blanket order would have been futile and useless based on the spread, just as a nationwide reopening would be equally ignorant as we are all at different stages with this thing in terms of herd exposure and any developed immunity.
I am really hoping this pin prick test for immunity is able to be mass produced rapidly so that we can start clearing parts of the country and especially certain industries to get the economy starting to roll again. I dont agree with the sentiment of the the president that this economy is going to come roaring back, if we reopen the country cautiously and smart it will result in a slow restart, but it will be the smartest way to do it until more is known or we will be back to quarantining in a matter of a few months.
hell, Smithfield Meat Packing Plant should have had it's own set of rules, let alone a county.
thats been one of my biggest disappointments from a multiple standpoints. I know for a fact that our Gov has been very on top of each case (especially the deaths) early on in this disease and that tracking those early cases back to contain spread was a priority. I have to think that there was more at play here than a lack of a stay at home order that allowed that packing plant to go to shit like it has. lots of misinformation on that specific issue and lots of finger pointing is sure to come. what rattles me is that everybody keeps pointing the fingers at the govt agency above them... there was no reason that sioux falls itself or even the 2 major counties down there couldnt have acted sooner. of course Smithfield is the one IMO that should be the first to be held to the fire for failing to keep their employees safe. I would suggest lawsuits could be coming. Ultimately though, this is on the employees that went to work sick and infected their co-workers, absolutely selfish no matter what the reasoning behind it. I am waiting for it to now spread to all the dairies in the area since the packing house is closed there will be a shit load of unskilled labor looking to make a pay check and they wont follow any orders to stay home.
That assumes a lot Jimmy...
1). They knew they were ill
2). They went to work not feeling well
Everything I read and hear is that there is a lot of asymptomatic people out there.
Which leads us right back to anti-body and testing too. And it won't take mos to turn that flattened curve into a "U". I think it would be a matter of weeks -- even assuming a 2 week latency.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1250095233632808961?s=19
not making a political statement here, but its funny how this guys is like teflon... he has made a lot of statements that in hindsight have proven to be inaccurate. he is our leading expert and has been proven wrong by this thing as much as he's been right. its no wonder the country is turned on itself when even the experts are wrong more than a weather man. what are we all to believe?
Well I believe the treating of the whole country like NYC is silly.
I think they recognize that and we'll see differences depending on demography. At least I hope so.
What they do in Jimmys part of the world in South Dakota (which never issued a SAH order) will look vastly different than NYS or even MN.
This also quickly leads into a discussion of Governors vs Feds and who has the final say on how and when.
Even big states governed by Cuomo and Newsome may do things radically different from each other.
even in regions of states, what would have been best in SFalls, wouldnt have made sense in other places necessarily. even the timing of the stay at home orders. a nation wide blanket order would have been futile and useless based on the spread, just as a nationwide reopening would be equally ignorant as we are all at different stages with this thing in terms of herd exposure and any developed immunity.
I am really hoping this pin prick test for immunity is able to be mass produced rapidly so that we can start clearing parts of the country and especially certain industries to get the economy starting to roll again. I dont agree with the sentiment of the the president that this economy is going to come roaring back, if we reopen the country cautiously and smart it will result in a slow restart, but it will be the smartest way to do it until more is known or we will be back to quarantining in a matter of a few months.
hell, Smithfield Meat Packing Plant should have had it's own set of rules, let alone a county.
thats been one of my biggest disappointments from a multiple standpoints. I know for a fact that our Gov has been very on top of each case (especially the deaths) early on in this disease and that tracking those early cases back to contain spread was a priority. I have to think that there was more at play here than a lack of a stay at home order that allowed that packing plant to go to shit like it has. lots of misinformation on that specific issue and lots of finger pointing is sure to come. what rattles me is that everybody keeps pointing the fingers at the govt agency above them... there was no reason that sioux falls itself or even the 2 major counties down there couldnt have acted sooner. of course Smithfield is the one IMO that should be the first to be held to the fire for failing to keep their employees safe. I would suggest lawsuits could be coming. Ultimately though, this is on the employees that went to work sick and infected their co-workers, absolutely selfish no matter what the reasoning behind it. I am waiting for it to now spread to all the dairies in the area since the packing house is closed there will be a shit load of unskilled labor looking to make a pay check and they wont follow any orders to stay home.
The Iowa attorney general explained it in a Q&A that our State Constitution doesn't allow for city, county other local entity to have more strict laws than the State.
It's easy to put it on the employee, but you are contagious before you show symptoms, that's the testing thing. If you know you got it, your two weeks too late to stop the spread
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1250095233632808961?s=19
not making a political statement here, but its funny how this guys is like teflon... he has made a lot of statements that in hindsight have proven to be inaccurate. he is our leading expert and has been proven wrong by this thing as much as he's been right. its no wonder the country is turned on itself when even the experts are wrong more than a weather man. what are we all to believe?
Well I believe the treating of the whole country like NYC is silly.
I think they recognize that and we'll see differences depending on demography. At least I hope so.
What they do in Jimmys part of the world in South Dakota (which never issued a SAH order) will look vastly different than NYS or even MN.
This also quickly leads into a discussion of Governors vs Feds and who has the final say on how and when.
Even big states governed by Cuomo and Newsome may do things radically different from each other.
even in regions of states, what would have been best in SFalls, wouldnt have made sense in other places necessarily. even the timing of the stay at home orders. a nation wide blanket order would have been futile and useless based on the spread, just as a nationwide reopening would be equally ignorant as we are all at different stages with this thing in terms of herd exposure and any developed immunity.
I am really hoping this pin prick test for immunity is able to be mass produced rapidly so that we can start clearing parts of the country and especially certain industries to get the economy starting to roll again. I dont agree with the sentiment of the the president that this economy is going to come roaring back, if we reopen the country cautiously and smart it will result in a slow restart, but it will be the smartest way to do it until more is known or we will be back to quarantining in a matter of a few months.
hell, Smithfield Meat Packing Plant should have had it's own set of rules, let alone a county.
thats been one of my biggest disappointments from a multiple standpoints. I know for a fact that our Gov has been very on top of each case (especially the deaths) early on in this disease and that tracking those early cases back to contain spread was a priority. I have to think that there was more at play here than a lack of a stay at home order that allowed that packing plant to go to shit like it has. lots of misinformation on that specific issue and lots of finger pointing is sure to come. what rattles me is that everybody keeps pointing the fingers at the govt agency above them... there was no reason that sioux falls itself or even the 2 major counties down there couldnt have acted sooner. of course Smithfield is the one IMO that should be the first to be held to the fire for failing to keep their employees safe. I would suggest lawsuits could be coming. Ultimately though, this is on the employees that went to work sick and infected their co-workers, absolutely selfish no matter what the reasoning behind it. I am waiting for it to now spread to all the dairies in the area since the packing house is closed there will be a shit load of unskilled labor looking to make a pay check and they wont follow any orders to stay home.
That assumes a lot Jimmy...
1). They knew they were ill
2). They went to work not feeling well
Everything I read and hear is that there is a lot of asymptomatic people out there.
Which leads us right back to anti-body and testing too. And it won't take mos to turn that flattened curve into a "U". I think it would be a matter of weeks -- even assuming a 2 week latency.
well there certainly seems to be a lot of desire to point fingers in this country and since this was an essential business (food supply source) they werent going to get shut down in any state until something like this happens, i go back to the individuals being the first responsible party. and I wonder how many people are really asymptomatic vs just not wanting to miss that pay check or get stuck at home? I am not really a blame assigner but i will almost always say that we are responsible for ourselves first.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1250095233632808961?s=19
not making a political statement here, but its funny how this guys is like teflon... he has made a lot of statements that in hindsight have proven to be inaccurate. he is our leading expert and has been proven wrong by this thing as much as he's been right. its no wonder the country is turned on itself when even the experts are wrong more than a weather man. what are we all to believe?
Well I believe the treating of the whole country like NYC is silly.
I think they recognize that and we'll see differences depending on demography. At least I hope so.
What they do in Jimmys part of the world in South Dakota (which never issued a SAH order) will look vastly different than NYS or even MN.
This also quickly leads into a discussion of Governors vs Feds and who has the final say on how and when.
Even big states governed by Cuomo and Newsome may do things radically different from each other.
even in regions of states, what would have been best in SFalls, wouldnt have made sense in other places necessarily. even the timing of the stay at home orders. a nation wide blanket order would have been futile and useless based on the spread, just as a nationwide reopening would be equally ignorant as we are all at different stages with this thing in terms of herd exposure and any developed immunity.
I am really hoping this pin prick test for immunity is able to be mass produced rapidly so that we can start clearing parts of the country and especially certain industries to get the economy starting to roll again. I dont agree with the sentiment of the the president that this economy is going to come roaring back, if we reopen the country cautiously and smart it will result in a slow restart, but it will be the smartest way to do it until more is known or we will be back to quarantining in a matter of a few months.
hell, Smithfield Meat Packing Plant should have had it's own set of rules, let alone a county.
thats been one of my biggest disappointments from a multiple standpoints. I know for a fact that our Gov has been very on top of each case (especially the deaths) early on in this disease and that tracking those early cases back to contain spread was a priority. I have to think that there was more at play here than a lack of a stay at home order that allowed that packing plant to go to shit like it has. lots of misinformation on that specific issue and lots of finger pointing is sure to come. what rattles me is that everybody keeps pointing the fingers at the govt agency above them... there was no reason that sioux falls itself or even the 2 major counties down there couldnt have acted sooner. of course Smithfield is the one IMO that should be the first to be held to the fire for failing to keep their employees safe. I would suggest lawsuits could be coming. Ultimately though, this is on the employees that went to work sick and infected their co-workers, absolutely selfish no matter what the reasoning behind it. I am waiting for it to now spread to all the dairies in the area since the packing house is closed there will be a shit load of unskilled labor looking to make a pay check and they wont follow any orders to stay home.
The Iowa attorney general explained it in a Q&A that our State Constitution doesn't allow for city, county other local entity to have more strict laws than the State.
It's easy to put it on the employee, but you are contagious before you show symptoms, that's the testing thing. If you know you got it, your two weeks too late to stop the spread
thats a very interesting law and one that likely could be challenged if in fact it is legit. Cities do a lot of things that arent state laws like curfews, snow ordinances and such. I know here in SD that Beadle County (Huron) took action and mandated some closures and stay at home stuff early on since they were the fastest growing area in SD right out of the gate.
EDIT: I do believe that local govts cant over rule higher mandates in terms of leniency, like lowering their drinking ages and shit like that.
Remember when the kiddies were calling this the "BOOMER DOOMER", or other cute names because they were told that it wouldnt affect them? about half our cases are people under 40 here.
AGE GROUP OF SOUTH DAKOTA COVID-19 CASES| Age Range | # of Cases | # of Deaths |
|---|
0 to 19 years
| 44
| 0
| 20 to 29 years
| 187
| 0
| 30 to 39 years
| 246
| 0
| 40 to 49 years
| 187
| 0
| 50 to 59 years
| 182
| 2
| 60 to 69 years
| 110
| 1
| 70 to 79 years
| 18
| 1
| 80+ years
| 14
| 2
|
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
Remember when the kiddies were calling this the "BOOMER DOOMER", or other cute names because they were told that it wouldnt affect them? about half our cases are people under 40 here.
AGE GROUP OF SOUTH DAKOTA COVID-19 CASES| Age Range | # of Cases | # of Deaths |
|---|
0 to 19 years
| 44
| 0
| 20 to 29 years
| 187
| 0
| 30 to 39 years
| 246
| 0
| 40 to 49 years
| 187
| 0
| 50 to 59 years
| 182
| 2
| 60 to 69 years
| 110
| 1
| 70 to 79 years
| 18
| 1
| 80+ years
| 14
| 2
|
SD is an outlier state (but we already knew that lol!)
CDC dot gov has updates through 4/14, scroll down and you'll see deaths by age cohort and it tells a very different tale vs SD.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Remember when the kiddies were calling this the "BOOMER DOOMER", or other cute names because they were told that it wouldnt affect them? about half our cases are people under 40 here.
AGE GROUP OF SOUTH DAKOTA COVID-19 CASES| Age Range | # of Cases | # of Deaths |
|---|
0 to 19 years
| 44
| 0
| 20 to 29 years
| 187
| 0
| 30 to 39 years
| 246
| 0
| 40 to 49 years
| 187
| 0
| 50 to 59 years
| 182
| 2
| 60 to 69 years
| 110
| 1
| 70 to 79 years
| 18
| 1
| 80+ years
| 14
| 2
|
SD is an outlier state (but we already knew that lol!)
CDC dot gov has updates through 4/14, scroll down and you'll see deaths by age cohort and it tells a very different tale vs SD.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
I am guessing that it has to do with the number of working age people in "essential" jobs in SD that are more exposed than in other states expressed in a relation to the overall population... for example working in a meat packing plant. 
|
