Quote: @greediron said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
Easy: Trump said today his father was born in Germany. "A very wonderful place in Germany."
He was born in the Bronx.
Earlier today he tweeted Puerto Rico received $91 billion... that was the amount of damage done. They've actually received closer to $1-1.5 billion.
This is how stupid this man is.
Dig that. Donald Trump is mentally ill and an embarrassment and supporting him is shameful.
Serious question: can people support a politician's policies, without supporting the person? I think so. In hindsight, I don't think Clinton was such a bad president. But he was certainly a bad person. On the other hand, I think that Bush was a great guy... but I'm not sure about some of his policies.
Yes.
I have to laugh. I was a huge Trump detractor during the primaries. He was so ill prepared, didn't know the proper functions of government, made so many stupid comments.
But as he got serious about winning, he changed. He still makes the stupid comments, but that is what twitter is for. Hell twitter even talks about editing peoples tweets. And after their recent fiascos, I say to hell with twitter. They are worthless.
But Trump still makes idiotic comments. But he governs well. The things he has accomplished are better than any pres for 30 years. So yes, he isn't a great guy, spouts off on twitter. But what he actually gets done, I approve. Other than Cavanaugh, that guy is a joke.
He hasn't changed. He's a compulsive liar. Now, if you support throwing 180 million people off healthcare, the tax plan for the super rich, declaring a national emergency over a problem that doesn't exist and never existed, contributing negatively toward a racial divide, demonizing the media for simply doing their jobs and calling him on his bullshit..........
I could literally write pages of inexcusable stuff (I'm aware not all of that is policy), but if that stuff is your position and you like that, well then I'll just have to respect that. But saying he's changed is lying or foolish. He hasn't changed. He's always been a mentally ill conman, and certain people *ahem* seem to fall for it decade after decade.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ greediron said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
Easy: Trump said today his father was born in Germany. "A very wonderful place in Germany."
He was born in the Bronx.
Earlier today he tweeted Puerto Rico received $91 billion... that was the amount of damage done. They've actually received closer to $1-1.5 billion.
This is how stupid this man is.
Dig that. Donald Trump is mentally ill and an embarrassment and supporting him is shameful.
Serious question: can people support a politician's policies, without supporting the person? I think so. In hindsight, I don't think Clinton was such a bad president. But he was certainly a bad person. On the other hand, I think that Bush was a great guy... but I'm not sure about some of his policies.
Yes.
I have to laugh. I was a huge Trump detractor during the primaries. He was so ill prepared, didn't know the proper functions of government, made so many stupid comments.
But as he got serious about winning, he changed. He still makes the stupid comments, but that is what twitter is for. Hell twitter even talks about editing peoples tweets. And after their recent fiascos, I say to hell with twitter. They are worthless.
But Trump still makes idiotic comments. But he governs well. The things he has accomplished are better than any pres for 30 years. So yes, he isn't a great guy, spouts off on twitter. But what he actually gets done, I approve. Other than Cavanaugh, that guy is a joke.
He hasn't changed. He's a compulsive liar. Now, if you support throwing 180 million people off healthcare, the tax plan for the super rich, declaring a national emergency over a problem that doesn't exist and never existed, contributing negatively toward a racial divide, demonizing the media for simply doing their jobs and calling him on his bullshit..........
:eyeroll
so when Obama, Clinton and other dems stated the border issues was an national emergency they were lying as well? Or are they lying now? And the rest is simply bullshit democrat talking points. Hell, they aren't even talking points, they are pablum fed to keep their base worked up.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ KingBash said:
@ greediron said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
Easy: Trump said today his father was born in Germany. "A very wonderful place in Germany."
He was born in the Bronx.
Earlier today he tweeted Puerto Rico received $91 billion... that was the amount of damage done. They've actually received closer to $1-1.5 billion.
This is how stupid this man is.
Dig that. Donald Trump is mentally ill and an embarrassment and supporting him is shameful.
Serious question: can people support a politician's policies, without supporting the person? I think so. In hindsight, I don't think Clinton was such a bad president. But he was certainly a bad person. On the other hand, I think that Bush was a great guy... but I'm not sure about some of his policies.
Yes.
I have to laugh. I was a huge Trump detractor during the primaries. He was so ill prepared, didn't know the proper functions of government, made so many stupid comments.
But as he got serious about winning, he changed. He still makes the stupid comments, but that is what twitter is for. Hell twitter even talks about editing peoples tweets. And after their recent fiascos, I say to hell with twitter. They are worthless.
But Trump still makes idiotic comments. But he governs well. The things he has accomplished are better than any pres for 30 years. So yes, he isn't a great guy, spouts off on twitter. But what he actually gets done, I approve. Other than Cavanaugh, that guy is a joke.
He hasn't changed. He's a compulsive liar. Now, if you support throwing 180 million people off healthcare, the tax plan for the super rich, declaring a national emergency over a problem that doesn't exist and never existed, contributing negatively toward a racial divide, demonizing the media for simply doing their jobs and calling him on his bullshit..........
:eyeroll
so when Obama, Clinton and other dems stated the border issues was an national emergency they were lying as well? Or are they lying now? And the rest is simply bullshit democrat talking points. Hell, they aren't even talking points, they are pablum fed to keep their base worked up.
It's not the words it's the actions that followed. Saying something is an emergency is different then using that as justification to take money. That is totally another. I get it he's a man of action. Secondly, working up the base is sooo beneath Trump right. It that not whole point of this thing?
Thirdly, lieing is lieing. Don't excuse any of them. Even if and especially if it's the president. No more that's how he works. He doing it to get under their skin. It's all in his master plan. It's his genius at work... Whatever excuse is this weeks.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ KingBash said:
@ greediron said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
Easy: Trump said today his father was born in Germany. "A very wonderful place in Germany."
He was born in the Bronx.
Earlier today he tweeted Puerto Rico received $91 billion... that was the amount of damage done. They've actually received closer to $1-1.5 billion.
This is how stupid this man is.
Dig that. Donald Trump is mentally ill and an embarrassment and supporting him is shameful.
Serious question: can people support a politician's policies, without supporting the person? I think so. In hindsight, I don't think Clinton was such a bad president. But he was certainly a bad person. On the other hand, I think that Bush was a great guy... but I'm not sure about some of his policies.
Yes.
I have to laugh. I was a huge Trump detractor during the primaries. He was so ill prepared, didn't know the proper functions of government, made so many stupid comments.
But as he got serious about winning, he changed. He still makes the stupid comments, but that is what twitter is for. Hell twitter even talks about editing peoples tweets. And after their recent fiascos, I say to hell with twitter. They are worthless.
But Trump still makes idiotic comments. But he governs well. The things he has accomplished are better than any pres for 30 years. So yes, he isn't a great guy, spouts off on twitter. But what he actually gets done, I approve. Other than Cavanaugh, that guy is a joke.
He hasn't changed. He's a compulsive liar. Now, if you support throwing 180 million people off healthcare, the tax plan for the super rich, declaring a national emergency over a problem that doesn't exist and never existed, contributing negatively toward a racial divide, demonizing the media for simply doing their jobs and calling him on his bullshit..........
:eyeroll
so when Obama, Clinton and other dems stated the border issues was an national emergency they were lying as well? Or are they lying now? And the rest is simply bullshit democrat talking points. Hell, they aren't even talking points, they are pablum fed to keep their base worked up.
Stay on focus, Fox News. We're talking about Donald Trump. Stop with the "but the Democrats..." Is that your standard? If the Democrats acted like pieces of shit, Republicans can too?
They're not talking points, it's the media reporting facts that are happening. Stop with your "fake news" chants and grow up. Seriously. Grow up. If the Democrats have acted like children in the past supporting their shitty politicians, you're doing the exact same.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ greediron said:
@ KingBash said:
@ greediron said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
Easy: Trump said today his father was born in Germany. "A very wonderful place in Germany."
He was born in the Bronx.
Earlier today he tweeted Puerto Rico received $91 billion... that was the amount of damage done. They've actually received closer to $1-1.5 billion.
This is how stupid this man is.
Dig that. Donald Trump is mentally ill and an embarrassment and supporting him is shameful.
Serious question: can people support a politician's policies, without supporting the person? I think so. In hindsight, I don't think Clinton was such a bad president. But he was certainly a bad person. On the other hand, I think that Bush was a great guy... but I'm not sure about some of his policies.
Yes.
I have to laugh. I was a huge Trump detractor during the primaries. He was so ill prepared, didn't know the proper functions of government, made so many stupid comments.
But as he got serious about winning, he changed. He still makes the stupid comments, but that is what twitter is for. Hell twitter even talks about editing peoples tweets. And after their recent fiascos, I say to hell with twitter. They are worthless.
But Trump still makes idiotic comments. But he governs well. The things he has accomplished are better than any pres for 30 years. So yes, he isn't a great guy, spouts off on twitter. But what he actually gets done, I approve. Other than Cavanaugh, that guy is a joke.
He hasn't changed. He's a compulsive liar. Now, if you support throwing 180 million people off healthcare, the tax plan for the super rich, declaring a national emergency over a problem that doesn't exist and never existed, contributing negatively toward a racial divide, demonizing the media for simply doing their jobs and calling him on his bullshit..........
:eyeroll
so when Obama, Clinton and other dems stated the border issues was an national emergency they were lying as well? Or are they lying now? And the rest is simply bullshit democrat talking points. Hell, they aren't even talking points, they are pablum fed to keep their base worked up.
Stay on focus, Fox News. We're talking about Donald Trump. Stop with the "but the Democrats..." Is that your standard? If the Democrats acted like pieces of shit, Republicans can too?
They're not talking points, it's the media reporting facts that are happening. Stop with your "fake news" chants and grow up. Seriously. Grow up. If the Democrats have acted like children in the past supporting their shitty politicians, you're doing the exact same.
nope, just calling out your bull. read something other than MSNBC or CNN. I am not excusing anything. If you have trouble following along, I have called out Trump's behavior. his tweets. His lying.
But I like some of the actions he has done.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ greediron said:
@ KingBash said:
@ greediron said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
Easy: Trump said today his father was born in Germany. "A very wonderful place in Germany."
He was born in the Bronx.
Earlier today he tweeted Puerto Rico received $91 billion... that was the amount of damage done. They've actually received closer to $1-1.5 billion.
This is how stupid this man is.
Dig that. Donald Trump is mentally ill and an embarrassment and supporting him is shameful.
Serious question: can people support a politician's policies, without supporting the person? I think so. In hindsight, I don't think Clinton was such a bad president. But he was certainly a bad person. On the other hand, I think that Bush was a great guy... but I'm not sure about some of his policies.
Yes.
I have to laugh. I was a huge Trump detractor during the primaries. He was so ill prepared, didn't know the proper functions of government, made so many stupid comments.
But as he got serious about winning, he changed. He still makes the stupid comments, but that is what twitter is for. Hell twitter even talks about editing peoples tweets. And after their recent fiascos, I say to hell with twitter. They are worthless.
But Trump still makes idiotic comments. But he governs well. The things he has accomplished are better than any pres for 30 years. So yes, he isn't a great guy, spouts off on twitter. But what he actually gets done, I approve. Other than Cavanaugh, that guy is a joke.
He hasn't changed. He's a compulsive liar. Now, if you support throwing 180 million people off healthcare, the tax plan for the super rich, declaring a national emergency over a problem that doesn't exist and never existed, contributing negatively toward a racial divide, demonizing the media for simply doing their jobs and calling him on his bullshit..........
:eyeroll
so when Obama, Clinton and other dems stated the border issues was an national emergency they were lying as well? Or are they lying now? And the rest is simply bullshit democrat talking points. Hell, they aren't even talking points, they are pablum fed to keep their base worked up.
It's not the words it's the actions that followed. Saying something is an emergency is different then using that as justification to take money. That is totally another. I get it he's a man of action. Secondly, working up the base is sooo beneath Trump right. It that not whole point of this thing?
Thirdly, lieing is lieing. Don't excuse any of them. Even if and especially if it's the president. No more that's how he works. He doing it to get under their skin. It's all in his master plan. It's his genius at work... Whatever excuse is this weeks.
Exactly. Lying is lying. Trump gets called on it, but they hypocrites with the D don't. And saying something and then not doing anything sounds like a politician. At least Trump actually does something. Most of what he has said has been said by the democrats before. But now it is somehow evil. Maybe because they didn't really mean it?
Quote: @KingBash said:
Stay on focus, Fox News. We're talking about Donald Trump. Stop with the "but the Democrats..." Is that your standard? If the Democrats acted like pieces of shit, Republicans can too?
They're not talking points, it's the media reporting facts that are happening. Stop with your "fake news" chants and grow up. Seriously. Grow up. If the Democrats have acted like children in the past supporting their shitty politicians, you're doing the exact same.
I don't think that it's always a case of "what-about-ism". Sometimes it's a matter of people saying that a particular thing really offends them... or that something is terribly wrong... when it turns out that they only feel that way when "certain people" do it. It's not a matter of justifying the act, itself, as much as it is questioning really said action really is wrong- because, if it is, then it ought to be wrong in every case. So, if it's only wrong when "certain people" do it, there's really no point in discussing it, since the accuser doesn't really think it's wrong in the first place. Boy, that was vague.
When Democrats didn't want Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS, they said "believe every woman". Republicans countered by saying, "Listen to all women, but verify the facts." Now that various Democrats have been accused of sexual malfeasance, they are saying, "We should believe every woman... but isn't it fair to ask if they might have some ulterior motives in making the unverified accusation?" So... the question is (in this case): Do Democrats REALLY care about protecting women from sexual attacks... or not? Seems to me that- in this example- they care more about using the accusation to harm a political opponent- not to help a (potential) victim.
And, yes: both sides are guilty of saying that something is "wrong" (when the other side does it)... and then looking to excuse it when "their side" does it. The difference is that the media are more than willing to provide cover for Democrats... and equally willing to go to the mattresses to attack Republicans. That's why public pressure forces *some* Republicans to resign, even though they've been accused of far less that the governor (and other high ranking officials) of Virginia.
That other string is getting too long. I'll just start here. By the way this has been a pretty civil thread with alot of back and forth that usually generates some hard feeling. Dealt with well I believe. It is discussions at least.
I will lay out my final take on this. I have made my personal dislike for Trump the man known. Most here don't try to defend him morally. So we are left with policy. I laid out yesterday how some of his policies have hurt me in raising my grandson. Those are facts in my life. It would be more convenient if I could put him on my benefits package. I have not adopted so I can't. Medicaid is so much cheaper too. So that's the trade off with convenience. So lets look at the rest of my political believes. I'm very socially liberal. I don't care who you marry. Stay out of people's lives. If it's a sin it's their sin. We don't govern by any religion. Me make fun of mid eastern Koran bound whacko's don't we. Not the same but don't make it closer to them. Where has this policy shifted under this president? Not much but not through lack of trying. Again really doesn't effect my life but does a couple extended family members. The tax cut didn't change my life much. I don't care about the wall. It's not in my state. If they put a wall on my Florida beaches we got a problem. This wall has taken on to much importance to some though. Really important enough for the longest shut down ever and a national emergency? I don't think so. I won't try to argue anybody out of it If it is to them. Doesn't effect my life no matter how it's spun. I do agree with Trump on immigration. But what policies has he shown I can believe in. Is he fiscally responsible? I say no. Sooo is this enough for me to overlook all the crazy statements and tweets? This whole German that his dad's from there thing and many other head scratchers. What's the point of that lie and it's not the first time he said it? Sweeping the forest??? And saying that that leader told him. Don't remember who he was but he said no I didn't same thing with the German leader. Somebody who makes up these kind of lies for no apparent reason does to me seem a little off so don't call me crazy for thinking he might be crazy. Because sadly I do know mentally ill. Don't want to really call him that though. But he is one odd duck and that's embarrassing. So name me all the good he's done in my life that should make me overlook these type of weird things and not be embarrassed. I would rather not be embarrassed by my president.. in fact the only leaders outside of the United States that seem to have a lot of respect for him are Vladimir Putin, Kim Jung and the Saudi royal family. Not convincing or comforting to me. And all these great mess is he fixed that were left to him by Obama. What did Obama inherit? Was his situation better when he came to office? Too big to fail Auto and Financial debacles. Again I say no but he's no longer president. and I was no fan of him. Time for him to leave Obama out of it and start acting like a president. I don't believe you can.
Since abortion came up previously in this thread- and a comment was made about the need for women to have access to various "resources", I thought I would mention that the MN House is considering a bill that would cut funding to women's pregnancy resource centers by 25%. Why them- and not Planned Parenthood? Because these centers don't perform abortions and suggest that there are other alternatives. In other words, they are not trying to make money off of women in difficult circumstances.
Now, you can debate whether my characterization of this is accurate... but can anyone- who has been defending Planned Parenthood- defend cutting money to other women's health resource centers?
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ greediron said:
@ KingBash said:
@ greediron said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
Easy: Trump said today his father was born in Germany. "A very wonderful place in Germany."
He was born in the Bronx.
Earlier today he tweeted Puerto Rico received $91 billion... that was the amount of damage done. They've actually received closer to $1-1.5 billion.
This is how stupid this man is.
Dig that. Donald Trump is mentally ill and an embarrassment and supporting him is shameful.
Serious question: can people support a politician's policies, without supporting the person? I think so. In hindsight, I don't think Clinton was such a bad president. But he was certainly a bad person. On the other hand, I think that Bush was a great guy... but I'm not sure about some of his policies.
Yes.
I have to laugh. I was a huge Trump detractor during the primaries. He was so ill prepared, didn't know the proper functions of government, made so many stupid comments.
But as he got serious about winning, he changed. He still makes the stupid comments, but that is what twitter is for. Hell twitter even talks about editing peoples tweets. And after their recent fiascos, I say to hell with twitter. They are worthless.
But Trump still makes idiotic comments. But he governs well. The things he has accomplished are better than any pres for 30 years. So yes, he isn't a great guy, spouts off on twitter. But what he actually gets done, I approve. Other than Cavanaugh, that guy is a joke.
He hasn't changed. He's a compulsive liar. Now, if you support throwing 180 million people off healthcare, the tax plan for the super rich, declaring a national emergency over a problem that doesn't exist and never existed, contributing negatively toward a racial divide, demonizing the media for simply doing their jobs and calling him on his bullshit..........
:eyeroll
so when Obama, Clinton and other dems stated the border issues was an national emergency they were lying as well? Or are they lying now? And the rest is simply bullshit democrat talking points. Hell, they aren't even talking points, they are pablum fed to keep their base worked up.
Stay on focus, Fox News. We're talking about Donald Trump. Stop with the "but the Democrats..." Is that your standard? If the Democrats acted like pieces of shit, Republicans can too?
They're not talking points, it's the media reporting facts that are happening. Stop with your "fake news" chants and grow up. Seriously. Grow up. If the Democrats have acted like children in the past supporting their shitty politicians, you're doing the exact same.
Oh come on!!! CNN has been caught repeatedly lying through their teeth about the right lately. Covington kids, kids in cages at the boarder, trump feeding/killing the fish in japan, hands up dont shoot and 17 intelligency agencies all agree on collution off the top of my head. Theres scores more if you want to google it.
Theyve gotten to the point that they no longer should be taken seriously as a “news” station...along with msnbc fox and several others.
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