I think the price is high but it depends on how he plays this year and how the market shakes out. Do they draft a young guy capable of filling his shoes? Also how they frame the contract with incentives could make it more affordable.
I expect a bidding war for him if they let him test free agency.
If they pay Cousins and have several of our Defensive stars due for extensions there will be some tough choices to make.
His biggest asset may be that he has been healthy. Cindy Rice drove me nuts lol
Quote: @PurplePastor said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ StickyBun said:
The better question is: why isn't the Viking's organization Keenum fans? The fans aren't making the calls on who will be the QB, they aren't the ones supposedly pursuing Cousins.
Sticky, why do you think the Vikes don't like Keenum? Do you think they dislike Sam and Teddy too?
Those three QBs are probably the most often discussed QB options for the Vikes. There's a good chance the Vikes won't land Cousins. If they don't, don't you think they start looking at Case, Teddy, and Sam? If so, why would they do that if they didn't like them?
I guess I haven't read all of Sticky's posts on the subject... but I think you're taking his comments out of context. It's not that the Vikings don't like Keenum, Bradford, or Teddy... it's that they like Cousins a bit more. They clearly have a "Plan A" and that isn't one of our 3 in-house options. If Bradford, Keenum, or Teddy were Plan A, we would have re-signed one of them before the start of FA (or applied the tag to let us negotiate a long-term contract). Connecting the dots says one of those guys is our Plan B and ol' Kirky Poo is Plan A.
My hunch all along has been that the Vikings were trying to decide between Cousins and Bridgewater. And that Cousins, because he's been remarkably durable for three straight seasons, is in the lead. Just not sure it's the slam dunk that some think it is. If the price goes nuts, I would not be surprised at all if the Vikings turn their attention back to one of their own.
Ya. That's the only reason Cousins would be in the lead over Bridgewater. I'm not a Bridgewater hater. I actually like him, but Bridgewater threw for 1,000 + yards less than Cousins and half the TDs. Performance does have something to do with it too.
Do you really think we'd be having this conversation if there were no concerns about Teddy's knee?
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@ Poiple said:
Kirk and Cousins? Is that James Thaddeus Kirk?
James Tiberius Kirk..
ok its getting waayyy phukking nerdy in here
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ PurplePastor said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ StickyBun said:
The better question is: why isn't the Viking's organization Keenum fans? The fans aren't making the calls on who will be the QB, they aren't the ones supposedly pursuing Cousins.
Sticky, why do you think the Vikes don't like Keenum? Do you think they dislike Sam and Teddy too?
Those three QBs are probably the most often discussed QB options for the Vikes. There's a good chance the Vikes won't land Cousins. If they don't, don't you think they start looking at Case, Teddy, and Sam? If so, why would they do that if they didn't like them?
I guess I haven't read all of Sticky's posts on the subject... but I think you're taking his comments out of context. It's not that the Vikings don't like Keenum, Bradford, or Teddy... it's that they like Cousins a bit more. They clearly have a "Plan A" and that isn't one of our 3 in-house options. If Bradford, Keenum, or Teddy were Plan A, we would have re-signed one of them before the start of FA (or applied the tag to let us negotiate a long-term contract). Connecting the dots says one of those guys is our Plan B and ol' Kirky Poo is Plan A.
My hunch all along has been that the Vikings were trying to decide between Cousins and Bridgewater. And that Cousins, because he's been remarkably durable for three straight seasons, is in the lead. Just not sure it's the slam dunk that some think it is. If the price goes nuts, I would not be surprised at all if the Vikings turn their attention back to one of their own.
Ya. That's the only reason Cousins would be in the lead over Bridgewater. I'm not a Bridgewater hater. I actually like him, but Bridgewater threw for 1,000 + yards less than Cousins and half the TDs. Performance does have something to do with it too.
Do you really think we'd be having this conversation if there were no concerns about Teddy's knee?
Yes. He hasn't played for 2 years. He was not great when he played. He was improving and better than what the Vikes were used to having at QB for years. However, he was not turning heads. His ceiling and poise were very encouraging. But what we saw when he came in for a few plays this past season, suggest that he has regressed. He was not up to the speed of the game and looked very uncomfortable; expectantly so. How long would it take for him to get up to speed and take off where he left off? The Vikes are in a win now mode. They need at least what Teddy was in 2015 and what we had hoped for in 2016. Assuming his knee is 100%, we just don't know we will get 2015 (and I believe we need more than that) or the hopes of 2016 or something far less. To run with him is really risky. IMO it is too risky. That is what puts Cousins ahead of Bridgewater. Cousins has 3 solid years of work on a not-so-good team. On the basis of his performance, he would help us in our win now mode. We don't know what we have that in Bridgewater.
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I think they are fans. Zimmer seemed slow to come around but he has nothing but praise for the job he did, how hard he prepares and what a good leader and team mate he is.
Only guys here complain that he is a tier 3 QB, a one shot wonder, lost the NFCC game single handly and should have had more picks. I dont give much creedence to their opinions.
But if there is. faster horse in the race Zimmer is going to ride it.
Pretty sure Rick has the final say on that.
I don't Zim was a fan at all. Not only was he "slow to come around" (as you pointed out)... but the #1 reason he listed as HIS issue in signing a QB... was cost. He NEVER said he was in favor of one or another; he indicated that he wanted the cheapest option, which would allow him to keep his defense together. That's hardly a ringing endorsement of anyone.
As for the opinion's of others, I don't know how many people here have actually said the things you've attributed to them. From what I've seen, you infer that from any opinion that prefers someone else over Keenum. You've "gone after" me for my opinions, and I have NEVER said any of the things you listed. I've said that Keenum has had ONE good season in his career, so there's no way to know if he'll be able to replicate it. Then you said that he did it for 15 games which was proof that his success was not a fluke. Then I posted a hand-ful of examples of QBs who had 1 good season and were- otherwise- mediocre. You dismissed those examples... and then steered the conversation somewhere else.
Bottom line: we (fans) want the team to win a SB before we die. If we don't think that Case is the QB, that hardly makes us the ignorant dolts that you've made us out to be (for whatever reason I can only imagine). Statistically speaking, Cousins is a better QB. Statistics do not win games. So ALL any of us have to base our opinions on... is our own, personal viewpoints (and what we *think* is the measure of a "franchise" QB). If you want to denigrate everyone who doesn't agree with you, I guess that's your right. But don't be surprised when you get a little push-back from others who think they know as much about football as you do.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/972249332719251457
Interesting. I was already a big fan of his, but I hadn't heard that from week 10 on, Keenum was the highest rated QB in the NFL. The light really could be turning on for the guy; I hope we are able to sign him for a decent contract.
Quote: @PurplePastor said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ PurplePastor said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ StickyBun said:
The better question is: why isn't the Viking's organization Keenum fans? The fans aren't making the calls on who will be the QB, they aren't the ones supposedly pursuing Cousins.
Sticky, why do you think the Vikes don't like Keenum? Do you think they dislike Sam and Teddy too?
Those three QBs are probably the most often discussed QB options for the Vikes. There's a good chance the Vikes won't land Cousins. If they don't, don't you think they start looking at Case, Teddy, and Sam? If so, why would they do that if they didn't like them?
I guess I haven't read all of Sticky's posts on the subject... but I think you're taking his comments out of context. It's not that the Vikings don't like Keenum, Bradford, or Teddy... it's that they like Cousins a bit more. They clearly have a "Plan A" and that isn't one of our 3 in-house options. If Bradford, Keenum, or Teddy were Plan A, we would have re-signed one of them before the start of FA (or applied the tag to let us negotiate a long-term contract). Connecting the dots says one of those guys is our Plan B and ol' Kirky Poo is Plan A.
My hunch all along has been that the Vikings were trying to decide between Cousins and Bridgewater. And that Cousins, because he's been remarkably durable for three straight seasons, is in the lead. Just not sure it's the slam dunk that some think it is. If the price goes nuts, I would not be surprised at all if the Vikings turn their attention back to one of their own.
Ya. That's the only reason Cousins would be in the lead over Bridgewater. I'm not a Bridgewater hater. I actually like him, but Bridgewater threw for 1,000 + yards less than Cousins and half the TDs. Performance does have something to do with it too.
Do you really think we'd be having this conversation if there were no concerns about Teddy's knee?
Yes. He hasn't played for 2 years. He was not great when he played. He was improving and better than what the Vikes were used to having at QB for years. However, he was not turning heads. His ceiling and poise were very encouraging. But what we saw when he came in for a few plays this past season, suggest that he has regressed. He was not up to the speed of the game and looked very uncomfortable; expectantly so. How long would it take for him to get up to speed and take off where he left off? The Vikes are in a win now mode. They need at least what Teddy was in 2015 and what we had hoped for in 2016. Assuming his knee is 100%, we just don't know we will get 2015 (and I believe we need more than that) or the hopes of 2016 or something far less. To run with him is really risky. IMO it is too risky. That is what puts Cousins ahead of Bridgewater. Cousins has 3 solid years of work on a not-so-good team. On the basis of his performance, he would help us in our win now mode. We don't know what we have that in Bridgewater.
I think we might... only because Zim REALLY loved Teddy. I believe that that may have blinded him to Teddy's deficiencies. If it was any other QB, I'd say no. But with Teddy....?
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