Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
Not good news
During that same period of time (August 11th – August 19th), the SNHD’s total COVID Deaths (those of both vaccinated and unvaccinated), rose from 4936 to 5032, or 96 deaths. Of the total deaths, 50 of them were fully vaccinated, meaning 52% of the deaths were fully vaccinated patients.
you supporting document says 49 deaths, but that is no big deal, but where is the rest of the information you are talking about? simply showing that 49 vaccinated died doesnt paint the complete picture. How many total new cases were reported, how many of those were vac vs unvac, hospitalization break downs the same way? IMO its not just about the deaths, its about the hospitalization % as well, especially now that insurance companies are saying they wont cover unvaccinated people that test positive.
During that same period of time (August 11th – August 19th), the SNHD’s total COVID Deaths (those of both vaccinated and unvaccinated), rose from 4936 to 5032, or 96 deaths. Of the total deaths, 50 of them were fully vaccinated, meaning 52% of the deaths were fully vaccinated patients.
As far as insurance companies, fuck them! They have long been corrupt, money grubbing bureaucrats and they can fuck off. If their CEOs died, I may even dance on their grave. Anyone defending an insurance company trying to avoid paying bills is scum IMO.
i dont think I have heard of anyone defending insurance companies to date, however I will say that if your insurance company comes out and flat out tells you that you need the shot or you wont get covered if you get it... well thats their prerogative as a private business IMO. no different than me defending a baker that doesnt want to bake a cake for a gay couple. private business should be allowed to operate however they feel like, unless they are receiving tax dollars, then they shouldnt be allowed to discriminate.
I wouldn't compare an insurance company to a privately owned small business. Insurance companies spend mega $$$s on lobbying the fed gov, wrote the ACA and have federally supported monopolies. Pretty sure they get tax dollars through the state exchanges as well.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
Not good news
During that same period of time (August 11th – August 19th), the SNHD’s total COVID Deaths (those of both vaccinated and unvaccinated), rose from 4936 to 5032, or 96 deaths. Of the total deaths, 50 of them were fully vaccinated, meaning 52% of the deaths were fully vaccinated patients.
you supporting document says 49 deaths, but that is no big deal, but where is the rest of the information you are talking about? simply showing that 49 vaccinated died doesnt paint the complete picture. How many total new cases were reported, how many of those were vac vs unvac, hospitalization break downs the same way? IMO its not just about the deaths, its about the hospitalization % as well, especially now that insurance companies are saying they wont cover unvaccinated people that test positive.
During that same period of time (August 11th – August 19th), the SNHD’s total COVID Deaths (those of both vaccinated and unvaccinated), rose from 4936 to 5032, or 96 deaths. Of the total deaths, 50 of them were fully vaccinated, meaning 52% of the deaths were fully vaccinated patients.
As far as insurance companies, fuck them! They have long been corrupt, money grubbing bureaucrats and they can fuck off. If their CEOs died, I may even dance on their grave. Anyone defending an insurance company trying to avoid paying bills is scum IMO.
i dont think I have heard of anyone defending insurance companies to date, however I will say that if your insurance company comes out and flat out tells you that you need the shot or you wont get covered if you get it... well thats their prerogative as a private business IMO. no different than me defending a baker that doesnt want to bake a cake for a gay couple. private business should be allowed to operate however they feel like, unless they are receiving tax dollars, then they shouldnt be allowed to discriminate.
I wouldn't compare an insurance company to a privately owned small business. Insurance companies spend mega $$$s on lobbying the fed gov, wrote the ACA and have federally supported monopolies. Pretty sure they get tax dollars through the state exchanges as well.
well regardless, they are private companies that are working for profits for their stockholders, if its financially in their best interest to take that stand they should have that right as long as their customers know up front that they wont be covered. my insurance requires and annual physical/wellness visit or my premiums go up $100 per month, some companies require riders for certain things like pregnancy or cancers, this is just another thing they are trying to do to keep costs down and profits up.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Testimonials like this can be effective.
https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status...45156?s=20
will they though? IMO only first hand experience will change peoples minds on this. if their friends or loved ones have a bad experience, that I think will be what it takes, and most likely it will happen eventually, of course there will be those that compare themselves to that person and find a reason why that person had a bad go and that they likely wouldnt.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Testimonials like this can be effective.
https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status...45156?s=20
will they though? IMO only first hand experience will change peoples minds on this. if their friends or loved ones have a bad experience, that I think will be what it takes, and most likely it will happen eventually, of course there will be those that compare themselves to that person and find a reason why that person had a bad go and that they likely wouldnt.
Testimonials are, by far, the most effective tool marketers use to convince someone to take some kind of action. Will it convince the vaccine=communism crowd? Of course not. But will it convince some of the vaccine-hesitant? You bet it will. Why? Because this isn't the government; this isn't the media. This is someone just like you. What's more, she comes off as honest and unrehearsed...genuine. We need more of this.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Testimonials like this can be effective.
https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status...45156?s=20
will they though? IMO only first hand experience will change peoples minds on this. if their friends or loved ones have a bad experience, that I think will be what it takes, and most likely it will happen eventually, of course there will be those that compare themselves to that person and find a reason why that person had a bad go and that they likely wouldnt.
Testimonials are, by far, the most effective tool marketers use to convince someone to take some kind of action. Will it convince the vaccine=communism crowd? Of course not. But will it convince some of the vaccine-hesitant? You bet it will. Why? Because this isn't the government; this isn't the media. This is someone just like you. What's more, she comes off as honest and unrehearsed...genuine. We need more of this.
I agree far more effective than snarky comments by the pro-vax crowd and yes I was vax as soon as possible in my community.
Quote: @IDVikingfan said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Testimonials like this can be effective.
https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status...45156?s=20
will they though? IMO only first hand experience will change peoples minds on this. if their friends or loved ones have a bad experience, that I think will be what it takes, and most likely it will happen eventually, of course there will be those that compare themselves to that person and find a reason why that person had a bad go and that they likely wouldnt.
Testimonials are, by far, the most effective tool marketers use to convince someone to take some kind of action. Will it convince the vaccine=communism crowd? Of course not. But will it convince some of the vaccine-hesitant? You bet it will. Why? Because this isn't the government; this isn't the media. This is someone just like you. What's more, she comes off as honest and unrehearsed...genuine. We need more of this.
I agree far more effective than snarky comments by the pro-vax crowd and yes I was vax as soon as possible in my community.
Snark is understandable. Granted, not effective, but understandable. Hell, RAGE is understandable.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Testimonials like this can be effective.
https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status...45156?s=20
will they though? IMO only first hand experience will change peoples minds on this. if their friends or loved ones have a bad experience, that I think will be what it takes, and most likely it will happen eventually, of course there will be those that compare themselves to that person and find a reason why that person had a bad go and that they likely wouldnt.
Testimonials are, by far, the most effective tool marketers use to convince someone to take some kind of action. Will it convince the vaccine=communism crowd? Of course not. But will it convince some of the vaccine-hesitant? You bet it will. Why? Because this isn't the government; this isn't the media. This is someone just like you. What's more, she comes off as honest and unrehearsed...genuine. We need more of this.
I agree far more effective than snarky comments by the pro-vax crowd and yes I was vax as soon as possible in my community.
Snark is understandable. Granted, not effective, but understandable. Hell, RAGE is understandable.
That goes both ways. Being coerced, bribed, threatened will generate rage as well.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Testimonials like this can be effective.
https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status...45156?s=20
will they though? IMO only first hand experience will change peoples minds on this. if their friends or loved ones have a bad experience, that I think will be what it takes, and most likely it will happen eventually, of course there will be those that compare themselves to that person and find a reason why that person had a bad go and that they likely wouldnt.
Testimonials are, by far, the most effective tool marketers use to convince someone to take some kind of action. Will it convince the vaccine=communism crowd? Of course not. But will it convince some of the vaccine-hesitant? You bet it will. Why? Because this isn't the government; this isn't the media. This is someone just like you. What's more, she comes off as honest and unrehearsed...genuine. We need more of this.
I agree far more effective than snarky comments by the pro-vax crowd and yes I was vax as soon as possible in my community.
Snark is understandable. Granted, not effective, but understandable. Hell, RAGE is understandable.
not really, not any more. once it was established that even the vaccinated can catch it, transmit it, and can create variants themselves... whats it hurting most people if there are unvaccinated? if you dont want to get a vaccination its really just yourself or your loved ones that are at a greater risk of being hurt. yes it sucks for the hospitals getting over run, but that will resolve itself in time...
Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Testimonials like this can be effective.
https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status...45156?s=20
will they though? IMO only first hand experience will change peoples minds on this. if their friends or loved ones have a bad experience, that I think will be what it takes, and most likely it will happen eventually, of course there will be those that compare themselves to that person and find a reason why that person had a bad go and that they likely wouldnt.
Testimonials are, by far, the most effective tool marketers use to convince someone to take some kind of action. Will it convince the vaccine=communism crowd? Of course not. But will it convince some of the vaccine-hesitant? You bet it will. Why? Because this isn't the government; this isn't the media. This is someone just like you. What's more, she comes off as honest and unrehearsed...genuine. We need more of this.
I agree far more effective than snarky comments by the pro-vax crowd and yes I was vax as soon as possible in my community.
Snark is understandable. Granted, not effective, but understandable. Hell, RAGE is understandable.
That goes both ways. Being coerced, bribed, threatened will generate rage as well.
i would say for some it actually will create more harm as those getting targeted by that negative influence will be more inclined to not get the shot or not even listen to anything favorable on it.
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