Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I would take umbrage with Trump foreign policy enhancing our influence in the world..
https://news.gallup.com/poll/116350/position-world.aspx
expand on that.
personally i couldnt care less how Germany or China, or most other countries view the US, as long as the US is doing good for the US citizens, I really dont care. Its America first and then if everybody in America is doing good then I will start worrying about how the other people on earth feel about us. it didnt bother me in the least that other world leaders thought poorly of Trump, as long as Trump was making deals the were fair or weighted in the US favor, honestly why would any American citizen be concerned as long as we are winning economically and arent doing things that will lead to wars with other countries?
We're both in agreement on America first...It's how we get there that matters and where we probably differ...
Look, I'm a globalist, not a nationalist.
That doesn't make me a communist, socialist or fascist or that I'm not for putting our interests first.
But I also believe we dont operate in a vacuum foreign policy wise, militarily or economically. That's closer to isolationism and that didnt do very well for the US or world back in the 20's, 30's and early 40's.
I believe in strong alliances to keep China and Russia @ Bay. I believe in having world leaders who look to the US Govt for vision, guidance and leadership and to be a strong and trusted partner too.
Doesnt mean I believe our Nato allies shouldn't carry more of the defense burden or that we should stop negotiatiating fairer trade and commerce treaties.
No, I believe our world influence has suffered greatly in 48 mos. and its going to take at least that long to repair the damage done. Restoring trust and the resultant influence will take time and patience.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I would take umbrage with Trump foreign policy enhancing our influence in the world..
https://news.gallup.com/poll/116350/position-world.aspx
You’re not going to find many that agree with me on foreign policy. I pretty much agree with Ron Paul on foreign policy.
If it were up to me we’d close most our foreign bases. We’d pull out of every single war we’re currently enaged in.
We’d cut military spending by +90%
We’d cut foreign aide by 100%
We’d remain a member of Nato but we’d only pay our share.
Trump got us into no new wars and scaled back most active ones which is a move in the right direction in my book.
considering most military spending off the US coasts is really nothing more than corporate welfare, there to protect business interests..... I would tend to agree with that. there was a time when it was about keeping bases open to be in a position to take the war to the enemies turf instead of them coming to ours, but wars arent going to be fought that way anymore and with our Navys capabilities... we can hit about anywhere in the world at anytime any way.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I would take umbrage with Trump foreign policy enhancing our influence in the world..
https://news.gallup.com/poll/116350/position-world.aspx
expand on that.
personally i couldnt care less how Germany or China, or most other countries view the US, as long as the US is doing good for the US citizens, I really dont care. Its America first and then if everybody in America is doing good then I will start worrying about how the other people on earth feel about us. it didnt bother me in the least that other world leaders thought poorly of Trump, as long as Trump was making deals the were fair or weighted in the US favor, honestly why would any American citizen be concerned as long as we are winning economically and arent doing things that will lead to wars with other countries?
We're both in agreement on America first...It's how we get there that matters and where we probably differ...
Look, I'm a globalist, not a nationalist.
That doesn't make me a communist, socialist or fascist or that I'm not for putting our interests first.
But I also believe we dont operate in a vacuum foreign policy wise, militarily or economically. That's closer to isolationism and that didnt do very well for the US or world back in the 20's, 30's and early 40's.
I believe in strong alliances to keep China and Russia @ Bay. I believe in having world leaders who look to the US Govt for vision, guidance and leadership and to be a strong and trusted partner too.
Doesnt mean I believe our Nato allies shouldn't carry more of the defense burden or that we should stop negotiatiating fairer trade and commerce treaties.
No, I believe our world influence has suffered greatly in 48 mos. and its going to take at least that long to repair the damage done. Restoring trust and the resultant influence will take time and patience.
I would tend to agree with you, but until we are out of the role of the worlds police, the worlds piggy bank, the worlds red cross, etc etc, they wont be forced to step up on their end. look at the climate deals, sure they are great in principal, but when its shuttering factories in the US, sending those jobs to third world countries who's factories are expanding but at pollution rates way way worse than the US plants were that they replaced, how is that responsible govt? now if there are trade deals, climate deals, that affect everybody in the same manner and not create hardships for Americans then lets talk, but until then, I liked Trumps approach to pulling things back for a while and letting the rest of the world understand what we were bringing to the table.
just like his trade war, sure there was short term pain, but jobs were coming back, the deficit was lessening, and until Covid hit I think we could almost have called it a win, yes it pissed off China, and yes we need them just as they need us, but it has to be fair and it wasnt and for all his faults, Trump was the one to call bull shit on it and actually try and correct it. Hillary was ready to double down on it and give away even more with the a horrible trade deal 4 years ago.
its time to fix whats wrong in our country and then if they can figure out how to pay for that, then look for ways to expand globally, pretty tough right now IMO for the US to carry much weight globally when we have as much of a mess in our own country though so that would make it even more important to pull back for a while.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ savannahskol said:
Next POTUS election wont matter.
There is not a single demographic mega-trend that favors GOP or conservatives. and with Biden, our borders will be wide open, ensuring that.
Trump will be the last GOP president, despite the modest in-roads he made this election...still was’t nearly enough.
https://www.axios.com/when-american-minorities-become-the-majority-d8b3ee00-e4f3-4993-8481-93a290fdb057.html
Except for your ridiculous border comment (not a single member of congress--dem or rep--supports open borders), I tend to agree that republicans are going to have a harder and harder time with elections as the cities and suburbs in the north AND south become more and more educated and diverse.
Still, the idea of smaller government, low taxes and states' rights is an appealing one to most people, even democrats and minorities. It's a winning strategy if you can find someone to express it by appealing to our better angels and not be an asshole who strives to embolden the very worst among us--the white supremacists, the Q-balls, the Karens and the anti-maskers...
I dont think more educated is necessarily a qualifier for either party.
Not until Trump. The reason Trump lost is because of a significant decline of support among college-educated whites, a group with whom he didn't have a lot of support to begin with.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I would take umbrage with Trump foreign policy enhancing our influence in the world..
https://news.gallup.com/poll/116350/position-world.aspx
expand on that.
personally i couldnt care less how Germany or China, or most other countries view the US, as long as the US is doing good for the US citizens, I really dont care. Its America first and then if everybody in America is doing good then I will start worrying about how the other people on earth feel about us. it didnt bother me in the least that other world leaders thought poorly of Trump, as long as Trump was making deals the were fair or weighted in the US favor, honestly why would any American citizen be concerned as long as we are winning economically and arent doing things that will lead to wars with other countries?
We're both in agreement on America first...It's how we get there that matters and where we probably differ...
Look, I'm a globalist, not a nationalist.
That doesn't make me a communist, socialist or fascist or that I'm not for putting our interests first.
But I also believe we dont operate in a vacuum foreign policy wise, militarily or economically. That's closer to isolationism and that didnt do very well for the US or world back in the 20's, 30's and early 40's.
I believe in strong alliances to keep China and Russia @ Bay. I believe in having world leaders who look to the US Govt for vision, guidance and leadership and to be a strong and trusted partner too.
Doesnt mean I believe our Nato allies shouldn't carry more of the defense burden or that we should stop negotiatiating fairer trade and commerce treaties.
No, I believe our world influence has suffered greatly in 48 mos. and its going to take at least that long to repair the damage done. Restoring trust and the resultant influence will take time and patience.
I could care less what other countries think of us. I kind of see it as we were that cool guy who kept buying the rounds at the bar. Of course everyone loves you. Youre the most popular guy there if drinks are free. Even if the other guys kind of resent your money.
But we’re broke. Like really really broke. Like more broke then any country has ever dreamed about. Of course your friends arent going to be as friendly when we stop buy rounds. I bet theyll even talk shit about you to your other friends.
But the responsible thing is to ask them to pay for their own drinks and Trump was the only guy willing to tell ‘em.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ savannahskol said:
Next POTUS election wont matter.
There is not a single demographic mega-trend that favors GOP or conservatives. and with Biden, our borders will be wide open, ensuring that.
Trump will be the last GOP president, despite the modest in-roads he made this election...still was’t nearly enough.
https://www.axios.com/when-american-minorities-become-the-majority-d8b3ee00-e4f3-4993-8481-93a290fdb057.html
Except for your ridiculous border comment (not a single member of congress--dem or rep--supports open borders), I tend to agree that republicans are going to have a harder and harder time with elections as the cities and suburbs in the north AND south become more and more educated and diverse.
Still, the idea of smaller government, low taxes and states' rights is an appealing one to most people, even democrats and minorities. It's a winning strategy if you can find someone to express it by appealing to our better angels and not be an asshole who strives to embolden the very worst among us--the white supremacists, the Q-balls, the Karens and the anti-maskers...
I dont think more educated is necessarily a qualifier for either party.
Not until Trump. The reason Trump lost is because of a significant decline of support among college-educated whites, a group with whom he didn't have a lot of support to begin with.
but you werent talking about Trump, you were talking about future elections and what party would have success. you seemed to be inferring the smart educated people vote dem and the republican party is a bunch of uneducated people... plenty of both on both sides IMO.
as far as diversity, thats a line that moves and if the dems dont steer back to the middle more, IMO they will lose a lot of that minority support. people want jobs and the pride of ownership, not free food and housing in exchange for a vote.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I would take umbrage with Trump foreign policy enhancing our influence in the world..
https://news.gallup.com/poll/116350/position-world.aspx
You’re not going to find many that agree with me on foreign policy. I pretty much agree with Ron Paul on foreign policy.
If it were up to me we’d close most our foreign bases. We’d pull out of every single war we’re currently enaged in.
We’d cut military spending by +90%
We’d cut foreign aide by 100%
We’d remain a member of Nato but we’d only pay our share.
Trump got us into no new wars and scaled back most active ones which is a move in the right direction in my book.
All of which BEGS the question, why the hell didn't you support him? I mean, you clearly have no problem with his unpresidential behavior, defending him at every turn. And now it sounds like you agree with pretty much all of his policies, too!
I'm terribly confused. Is there anything you'd like to confess?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ savannahskol said:
Next POTUS election wont matter.
There is not a single demographic mega-trend that favors GOP or conservatives. and with Biden, our borders will be wide open, ensuring that.
Trump will be the last GOP president, despite the modest in-roads he made this election...still was’t nearly enough.
https://www.axios.com/when-american-minorities-become-the-majority-d8b3ee00-e4f3-4993-8481-93a290fdb057.html
Except for your ridiculous border comment (not a single member of congress--dem or rep--supports open borders), I tend to agree that republicans are going to have a harder and harder time with elections as the cities and suburbs in the north AND south become more and more educated and diverse.
Still, the idea of smaller government, low taxes and states' rights is an appealing one to most people, even democrats and minorities. It's a winning strategy if you can find someone to express it by appealing to our better angels and not be an asshole who strives to embolden the very worst among us--the white supremacists, the Q-balls, the Karens and the anti-maskers...
I dont think more educated is necessarily a qualifier for either party.
Not until Trump. The reason Trump lost is because of a significant decline of support among college-educated whites, a group with whom he didn't have a lot of support to begin with.
but you werent talking about Trump, you were talking about future elections and what party would have success. you seemed to be inferring the smart educated people vote dem and the republican party is a bunch of uneducated people... plenty of both on both sides IMO.
No, that's not an argument I would make, or have made. Trump voters? Yeah, of course. Republicans, conservatives? No of course not. Bill Kristol is a republican. George Will is a republican. Steve Schmidt is a republican. The Lincoln Project are all republicans. RVAT are all republicans. The McCain family, the Bush family, Romney, dozens and dozens of his own defense and admin staff...all republicans....all worked very hard to defeat this president.
Now, of course there's overlap. There are smart, intellectual conservatives who supported Trump because while they knew he was ill-suited to be president, the ends might just justify the horrifying means.
In fact, that's how I think of you, Jimmy 
If your candidate is losing right now it's because you didn't put enough flags on your truck.
Blame yourselves.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Except for your ridiculous border comment (not a single member of congress--dem or rep--supports open borders),
If I showed you a you-tube video of a very recent member of Congress (now state of Mn AG) PUT IT ON A T-SHIRT IN A PARADE...would you agree with me?
That it's AT LEAST what their "hope" is?
Who do you think owns the current zeitgeist of the Dem party....the Ellison's/Commie-la/the Squad? or the moderate Dems (are there any)?
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