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OT: Coronavirus
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@purplefaithful said:
Why, exactly, is toilet paper in short supply?
By DEE-ANN DURBIN Associated PressApril 9, 2020 — 11:53am
What does toilet paper have to do with a global pandemic?

Nothing.
Yet millions of people have been panicking about their household supply. Store shelves have been emptied. Amazon is often out of stock. And social media is bursting with jokes and pleas for a roll or two.
The good news: Things are calming down, at least in the U.S., after a buying spree in mid-March. But it’s not yet clear when — if ever — buying habits will get back to normal.
Here's all you ever wanted to know about toilet paper during a pandemic:
WHY IS TOILET PAPER IN SHORT SUPPLY?
One reason is because people are hoarding. Some were stockpiling last month in advance of city and state lockdown orders. It’s a common reaction in times of a crisis, when consumers feel a need for control and security, says David Garfield, global leader of the consumer products practice at AlixPartners, a consulting firm.
NCSolutions, a data and consulting firm, said online and in-store U.S. toilet paper sales rose 51% between Feb. 24 and March 10, as buyers started getting uneasy about the growing number of virus cases. But sales rocketed a whopping 845% on March 11 and 12 as states announced lockdowns.
WHAT ARE SOME OTHER REASONS FOR THE SHORTAGES?
Toilet paper flows from paper mills to retail stores through a tight, efficient supply chain. Toilet paper is bulky and not very profitable, so retailers don’t keep a lot of inventory on hand; they just get frequent shipments and restock their shelves.
“You never noticed because it’s so well-managed,” said Jim Luke, an economics professor at Lansing Community College in Michigan, who used to be a strategist for a toilet paper distribution company.
The amount of toilet paper the average American uses hasn't changed; it's still around 141 rolls per year (compared to 134 rolls in Germany and just 49 rolls in China, AlixParters says). But even small changes in buying habits can throw everything into disarray.
With a regional disruption like a hurricane, stores can redirect some inventory to the affected area. But a global pandemic doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room.
CAN'T COMPANIES JUST MAKE MORE TOILET PAPER?
The big three U.S. toilet paper companies — Georgia-Pacific LLC, Proctor & Gamble Co. and Kimberly-Clark Corp. — were already running their toilet paper plants 24 hours a day before the new coronavirus hit. That’s the only way they can make a profit on such a low-margin product.
The companies are trying to increase output by making fewer varieties of toilet paper. They’re also trying to get the product to stores more quickly. Atlanta-based Georgia-Pacific is working with packaging suppliers to get more materials and maximizing the number of deliveries it can ship from its facilities.
CAN SUPPLIES BE REDIRECTED TO HOUSEHOLDS INSTEAD OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOW CLOSED?
No. Commercial toilet paper uses a different kind of pulp and is produced on different machines. Many institutional rolls are intentionally larger, so cleaning staff don’t have to refill them as often and people don’t steal them, Luke said. Plusher toilet paper for home use also has different packaging requirements, Garfield said.
Prior to the coronavirus crisis, about half of U.S. toilet paper sales were commercial, while the other half were for homes, Garfield said. That’s changing; AlixPartners estimates U.S. household demand is up 40% as offices and schools close.
But Georgia-Pacific said commercial demand hasn’t yet fallen. It has seen a surge of orders from hospitals and other essential businesses that are still operating.
ARE SUPPLIES IN GROCERIES AND OTHER RETAILERS IMPROVING?
Demand has softened a bit since mid-March, so that should make it easier to find toilet paper. NCSolutions said sales are down 62% right now compared to the “extreme buying period” of March 11-24. But they’re still 6% higher than they were before the new coronavirus hit the U.S.
Kroger, the nation’s biggest grocery chain, said most of its stores are now getting truckloads of paper products every day or every other day. Kroger and other retailers have also established limits on the amount of toilet paper people can buy at one time.
WHEN WILL THINGS GET BACK TO NORMAL?
Nobody knows. For one thing, the new coronavirus could permanently increase the demand for household toilet paper.
“Will the workforce go back to work like they did before? If people work from home, this could be much more prolonged,” says NCSolutions CEO Linda Dupree.
Raising prices on toilet paper — as was done in 1973 during the oil embargo — might curb hoarding, Garfield said. But it would make it harder for some consumers to afford.
ARE THERE WAYS TO CUT DOWN ON TOILET PAPER USE?
U.S. searches for “bidet” reached an all-time high in March, according to Google Trends. Tushy, which makes a $100 bidet attachment for toilets, said its sales spiked in mid-March, hitting $1 million in a single day. Sales are still running 10 times ahead of projections, Tushy said.
The last three times I went shopping, there was plenty to be found. Try the natural foods stores--whole foods, sprouts, etc. People who shop there tend to be a little more educated...and less "hoardy."
I wish I was so lucky. I have been to Walmart more times than Id like to admit, pushing 4 times  week since this all started. Havent fared any better trying to get TP via pickup either. I'm a social worker for a program that provides home based and employment services for people with severe mental health issues. Many of whom are home bound so they cant get to the store or they dont have credit or debit cards so cant order online. Ive been trying to have a stash of things like TP and other essentials for clients but can never find it in any of the 3 nearby Walmarts. Ended up getting price gauged on Amazon. 
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Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1248235293800419328
I've always wanted a GSD - but the breed has almost been ruined by really poor breeding. Such a shame as they are smart as a whip, loyal, beautiful dogs. 

Great Vid lol!!
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Quote: @purplefaithful said:
I've always wanted a GSD - but the breed has almost been ruined by really poor breeding. Such a shame as they are smart as a whip, loyal, beautiful dogs. 

Great Vid lol!!
I think that can be said for a lot of the major breeds... just so many inbreeding issues not to not be nervous about pure bred dogs IMO.  
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Quote: @Ralphie said:

https://www.independentsentinel.com/cdc-...are-older/
This study ended on March 31, I think people are going to be shocked at what the demographics for that exact same study but for April will show. The same thing happened in Italy. The first month(ish) was largely older people with pre-existing health conditions then for a stretch of about two weeks there was a run on people under the age 40. As of 4/7 in Iowa there were more instances of people 18-39 tested positive than 40-60 or 80 plus age groups. Furthermore places like Mayo are now running antibody tests on people who tested both negative and positive. And they are finding people who tested negative now had it several months ago,  but were symptom free.Which, to me any ways, puts numbers from any study into question.

Furthermore and what a lot of people dont seem to understand when they think that mostly elderly or people with pre-existing health conditions getting it means its not a big deal is that this is still a huge chunk of the population. 

US population: 331 million
Americans with diabetes/pre diabetes: 100 million
Americans with heart disease: According to American Heart Association 121.5 million
Americans with lung disease: 35 million
Americans 60 or older: As of 2016 68.7 million.
Uninsured Americans: 2019 numbers are not out, however 2018 was 30.1 million 
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Quote: @bigbone62 said:
This study ended on March 31, I think people are going to be shocked at what the demographics for that exact same study but for April will show. The same thing happened in Italy. The first month(ish) was largely older people with pre-existing health conditions then for a stretch of about two weeks there was a run on people under the age 40. As of 4/7 in Iowa there were more instances of people 18-39 tested positive than 40-60 or 80 plus age groups. Furthermore places like Mayo are now running antibody tests on people who tested both negative and positive. And they are finding people who tested negative now had it several months ago,  but were symptom free.Which, to me any ways, puts numbers from any study into question.

Furthermore and what a lot of people dont seem to understand when they think that mostly elderly or people with pre-existing health conditions getting it means its not a big deal is that this is still a huge chunk of the population. 

US population: 331 million
Americans with diabetes/pre diabetes: 100 million
Americans with heart disease: According to American Heart Association 121.5 million
Americans with lung disease: 35 million
Americans 60 or older: As of 2016 68.7 million.
Uninsured Americans: 2019 numbers are not out, however 2018 was 30.1 million 
and if I understood the Dr Adams correctly,  those conditions are not just making the elderly more susceptible,  those issues make people with them at younger ages potential victims as well.
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Quote: @bigbone62 said:
This study ended on March 31, I think people are going to be shocked at what the demographics for that exact same study but for April will show. The same thing happened in Italy. The first month(ish) was largely older people with pre-existing health conditions then for a stretch of about two weeks there was a run on people under the age 40. As of 4/7 in Iowa there were more instances of people 18-39 tested positive than 40-60 or 80 plus age groups. Furthermore places like Mayo are now running antibody tests on people who tested both negative and positive. And they are finding people who tested negative now had it several months ago,  but were symptom free.Which, to me any ways, puts numbers from any study into question.

Furthermore and what a lot of people dont seem to understand when they think that mostly elderly or people with pre-existing health conditions getting it means its not a big deal is that this is still a huge chunk of the population. 

US population: 331 million
Americans with diabetes/pre diabetes: 100 million
Americans with heart disease: According to American Heart Association 121.5 million
Americans with lung disease: 35 million
Americans 60 or older: As of 2016 68.7 million.
Uninsured Americans: 2019 numbers are not out, however 2018 was 30.1 million 
I wonder how many affected in the younger age gap vape, smoke cigarettes, Juul pods.  Even I have moved from flower to edibles during this time.  I believe I heard the percentage that die (ages 18-40) though are less
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Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
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No good, there's a deal killer in all of 'em. I'll make my own with Teddy, Lucinda, Giannina, Neil and Michelle. Giannina sits next to me. 
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