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Between Kalil, Cleveland, Ingram, Elflein, etc. I think this fanbase has OL PTSD when it comes to draft picks. Even Darrisaw has gotten hurt every year of his career and might miss the start of this season.
Other than O'Neill, "stay healthy and doesn't fuck up" is something we haven't seen in a decade+ of OL picks.
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(06-17-2025, 11:43 PM)RS_Express Wrote: Between Kalil, Cleveland, Ingram, Elflein, etc. I think this fanbase has OL PTSD when it comes to draft picks. Even Darrisaw has gotten hurt every year of his career and might miss the start of this season.
Other than O'Neill, "stay healthy and doesn't fuck up" is something we haven't seen in a decade+ of OL picks.
Speaking of O'Neill, he's noticeably stronger looking in OTAs, not as lean. Bulkier. Arms look huge. He'll be 30 years old at the start of the season, but should have 3-4 more years left in him. I expect the line to be a level up in aggressiveness this season.
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(06-17-2025, 07:57 PM)JimmyinSD Wrote: I agree with your conclusion, but not how you came to it. The comment about not busting isnt about KAM, its about a decade + of shit drafting at the IOL spots, as well as refusing to prioritize it in FA and the promising seasons that we have seen derailed by inferior play from our OL.... this deficiency predates KAM by a long ways...
40% of first rounders getting a 2nd deal with their draft team... IMO that doesnt mean much, sure if we draft well we want to resign them all, but teams that draft well are typically better performing teams with stars that eat a lot of cap space, not to mention if you do have a better grasp on finding talent, you likely believe that you dont need to over pay FAs to fill certain holes, that you can find replacements in the draft and thus saving that cap space to keep your real stars at key positions fat and happy contract wise.
My point wasn't about KAM OR the Vikings. It was the NFL and how poorly they draft, even in the 1st round.
Like I said, there’s a lot of gray in the data. A 2nd contract isn’t the only way to count hits and misses; it’s just the easiest. Bradbury got a 2nd contract, Jordan Addison may not. That’s a good example of why it doesn’t always work. But I think, generally speaking and over time, that 40-45% hit rate in the 1st round is fairly accurate, and why Jackson doesn’t have to be Randall McDaniell for me to be happy with the pick. I’ll be happy (maybe relieved is a better word) if Jackson isn't a bust.
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(06-17-2025, 07:57 PM)JimmyinSD Wrote: I agree with your conclusion, but not how you came to it. The comment about not busting isnt about KAM, its about a decade + of shit drafting at the IOL spots, as well as refusing to prioritize it in FA and the promising seasons that we have seen derailed by inferior play from our OL.... this deficiency predates KAM by a long ways...
The team became enamored with undersized interior linemen that could get to "the next level". I think that may have been a hangover from the AP days when Peterson would line up deep and find his first hole. The bottom line is that we kept drafting these small linemen that could get bulldozed. Since it was a way to stop the run and the pass, opposing teams could load up in the middle and have their way with our line.
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(06-18-2025, 10:49 AM)badgervike Wrote: The team became enamored with undersized interior linemen that could get to "the next level". I think that may have been a hangover from the AP days when Peterson would line up deep and find his first hole. The bottom line is that we kept drafting these small linemen that could get bulldozed. Since it was a way to stop the run and the pass, opposing teams could load up in the middle and have their way with our line.
I think it was a reaction to the defenses getting lighter and more mobile to defend the increased passing game. Thought we could outsmart and be a step ahead, when in reality it was as you said, they were getting bulldozed in the run game and pass game.
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I also think DL have gotten bigger and stronger, even since AP days...They out-athlete OL in sometimes comical ways.
It's still interesting to me how "this year" was when they said that's enough of that in regards to the IOL.
Probably cap and rookie QB related.
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(06-18-2025, 11:57 AM)purplefaithful Wrote: I also think DL have gotten bigger and stronger, even since AP days...They out-athlete OL in sometimes comical ways.
It's still interesting to me how "this year" was when they said that's enough of that in regards to the IOL.
Probably cap and rookie QB related.
Detroit/LAR made the issue unable to be ignored.
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(06-17-2025, 07:57 PM)JimmyinSD Wrote: I agree with your conclusion, but not how you came to it. The comment about not busting isnt about KAM, its about a decade + of shit drafting at the IOL spots, as well as refusing to prioritize it in FA and the promising seasons that we have seen derailed by inferior play from our OL.... this deficiency predates KAM by a long ways...
This started when Shurmur left. DeFilipo took over at OC and unfortunately, Sparano died. This left DeFilipo , who had little experience, without staff experienced at calling games or designing game plans to help him. Sparono was a great offensive line coach and his loss left the Vikings with sub-par and limited development, which resulted in an inside zone scheme with poor interior lineman and an OC with more experience in passing and QB's than a running game.
Then Stefanski took over and implemented the wide zone scheme with Dalvin Cook and Kubiak running the show. Kubiak loved Bradbury and felt O'Neill would also be good in the system. Elfline however , proved to be a weak link. So the Vikings became a passing team for the most part, and Cousins did pretty well despite getting hammered from time to time.
This trend of playing behind a piss poor interior line is only now being adequately addressed.
As a build from the inside out guy, I say it's about time and long overdue.
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