Quote: @StickyBun said:
....I could do this all day. Point being picking a QB in the Draft is risky and luck is a big factor. Period. Hard criteria of what you think is important to make a good QB can't be followed to the letter or you'll miss a lot of great NFL players.
In terms of my point I'm talking about modern day football, so Brady is out of the equation of completion percentage, when 24 yrs ago 60% was considered much more acceptable in college.
Looking at Lamar, he's proving my point. Still at about 62% comp. rate, with a 91 passer rating. The Ravens just fired their offensive coord. and Jacksons' been banged up while operating a run first offense. He's very mediocre, and his arm doesn't scare anyone.
Josh Allen? I missed on him, but you have to play the odds.
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
@ StickyBun said:
....I could do this all day. Point being picking a QB in the Draft is risky and luck is a big factor. Period. Hard criteria of what you think is important to make a good QB can't be followed to the letter or you'll miss a lot of great NFL players.
In terms of my point I'm talking about modern day football, so Brady is out of the equation of completion percentage, when 24 yrs ago 60% was considered much more acceptable in college.
Looking at Lamar, he's proving my point. Still at about 62% comp. rate, with a 91 passer rating. The Ravens just fired their offensive coord. and Jacksons' been banged up while operating a run first offense. He's very mediocre, and his arm doesn't scare anyone.
Josh Allen? I missed on him, but you have to play the odds.
My point is that is just 3. Jackson's college comp percentage was 57%. There's a bunch more. So how many NFL QBs do you see below?
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-foo...percentage
How about this guy? Great comp. percentage: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla...bow-1.html
How many here historically? https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/lea...eason.html
Not trying to bust your balls, but comp. percentage really is a horrible stat to judge an incoming college QB into the NFL on. You say 'play the odds'....the odds are overwhelming that it is meaningless and may even be a reason NOT to draft one looking at who succeeds professionally.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ StickyBun said:
....I could do this all day. Point being picking a QB in the Draft is risky and luck is a big factor. Period. Hard criteria of what you think is important to make a good QB can't be followed to the letter or you'll miss a lot of great NFL players.
In terms of my point I'm talking about modern day football, so Brady is out of the equation of completion percentage, when 24 yrs ago 60% was considered much more acceptable in college.
Looking at Lamar, he's proving my point. Still at about 62% comp. rate, with a 91 passer rating. The Ravens just fired their offensive coord. and Jacksons' been banged up while operating a run first offense. He's very mediocre, and his arm doesn't scare anyone.
Josh Allen? I missed on him, but you have to play the odds.
My point is that is just 3. Jackson's college comp percentage was 57%. There's a bunch more. So how many NFL QBs do you see below?
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-foo...percentage
How about this guy? Great comp. percentage: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla...bow-1.html
How many here historically? https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/lea...eason.html
Not trying to bust your balls, but comp. percentage really is a horrible stat to judge an incoming college QB into the NFL on. You say 'play the odds'....the odds are overwhelming that it is meaningless and may even be a reason NOT to draft one looking at who succeeds professionally.
I'm not saying that everyone with a completion percentage above a certain level means they are NFL ready, but given the odds, QB's with stats below a certain completion pct. and TD/INT level, likely have accuracy/decision making issues. You gave a list of QB's with numbers to make your point, but over how many years? How many from that list with below 63% comp pct. in college became successful NFL starters over multiple years (defined by)? Obviously, you have to weed out the outliers, and take a more holistic approach.
I'm not discounting, or failing to take into consideration the type of offense QB's ran in college, if they display leadership, maturity, if there is the "it factor".
You put out the Tebow example. I would shy away from any Urban Meyer/Ohio State coached QB, because they are system QB's who get hyped in college and can't read a NFL defense to save their lives, which is why I have my doubts about Stroud.
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ StickyBun said:
....I could do this all day. Point being picking a QB in the Draft is risky and luck is a big factor. Period. Hard criteria of what you think is important to make a good QB can't be followed to the letter or you'll miss a lot of great NFL players.
In terms of my point I'm talking about modern day football, so Brady is out of the equation of completion percentage, when 24 yrs ago 60% was considered much more acceptable in college.
Looking at Lamar, he's proving my point. Still at about 62% comp. rate, with a 91 passer rating. The Ravens just fired their offensive coord. and Jacksons' been banged up while operating a run first offense. He's very mediocre, and his arm doesn't scare anyone.
Josh Allen? I missed on him, but you have to play the odds.
My point is that is just 3. Jackson's college comp percentage was 57%. There's a bunch more. So how many NFL QBs do you see below?
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-foo...percentage
How about this guy? Great comp. percentage: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla...bow-1.html
How many here historically? https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/lea...eason.html
Not trying to bust your balls, but comp. percentage really is a horrible stat to judge an incoming college QB into the NFL on. You say 'play the odds'....the odds are overwhelming that it is meaningless and may even be a reason NOT to draft one looking at who succeeds professionally.
I'm not saying that everyone with a completion percentage above a certain level means they are NFL ready, but given the odds, QB's with stats below a certain completion pct. and TD/INT level, likely have accuracy/decision making issues. You gave a list of QB's with numbers to make your point, but over how many years? How many from that list with below 63% comp pct. in college became successful NFL starters over multiple years (defined by)? Obviously, you have to weed out the outliers, and take a more holistic approach.
I'm not discounting, or failing to take into consideration the type of offense QB's ran in college, if they display leadership, maturity, if there is the "it factor".
You put out the Tebow example. I would shy away from any Urban Meyer/Ohio State coached QB, because they are system QB's who get hyped in college and can't read a NFL defense to save their lives, which is why I have my doubts about Stroud.
My point would be how 'holistic' is having a hard and fast personal rule that you mention of taking a guy of the list if he doesn't have a 63+ completion percentage his last year when its noted how faulty that filter is?
How many would you have hit on in the last 10 years that don't fit that metric? Allen and MAYBE Danny Dimes? lol
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
How many would you have hit on in the last 10 years that don't fit that metric? Allen and MAYBE Danny Dimes? lol
I personally don't hit many at all, lol. Way more wrong than right! :p
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