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Rhodes On The Way Out?
#21
Quote: @FSUVike said:
It's simple: he lost speed.

Look, Rhodes wasn't a Shut Down CB because he interfered on every play. That narrative is patently ridiculous. As bad as Refs are they're not going to allow a DB to hold all the time. Especially not one that is singled up on Julio Jones or Megatron or AB or Alshon. And you know opposing Coaches would have been in the ear of the Head Ref before and during the game screaming for calls.

Reality is a bit more complicated. Xavier was Fast with a capital F. In 2017 he was clocked with the fastest MPH of any player in the League that season during a Pick 6. Any player in the League that year. That's special stuff.

Rhodes always had the speed to stay with even the shifriest Slot Guys. But he never had great technique. Goodish, not great. So he used his physicality combined with speed to disrupt guys at the top of their routes. And he got away with it because A. He was right there with the Receiver B. He was subtle about it and C. The rules weren't being rigidly enforced.

But with the loss of that speed he's A. Not near the Reciver B. Very obvious with his grabs since he's not close and C. The Refs are calling more holds anyway.

So the rules changing exacerbated his over reliance on playing physical instead of with technique. That makes sense. But where did the speed go? Pumpf and others have noted how much thicker Xavier has gotten the last 2 years. He's also been injured.  A lot. Real injuries. Because he tackles like Sendejo, throwing himself at ball carriers instead of using technique to wrap them up.

Got too big, takes way too much punishment because of his lousy tackling technique and POOF, speed is gone. And so is the confidence. And likely his career. A team would have to outright ignore the 82% completion percentage against him to trade anything for him. Maybe Chucky would, but the rest of the League is way too into analytics to do that.

I imagine part of Zimmer's frustration stems from the fact that he's always had Corners with good Technique. He gets to Minnesota and finds maybe the most physically gifted guy he's ever had but the kid won't refine his technique. Or maybe let it backslide after Newman retired. 

It's not unheard of for a great CB to fall off a cliff. Where's Josh Norman? On the bench is where.

But there's another legit tragedy happening in the Secondary that doesn't get enough attention.  Trae Waynes is in the bottom-third of the League as well. Not as bad as Xavier, but not good. With teams actively targeting Rhodes and yet another year of experience under his belt Waynes should be having a career year. So what the hell is going on with him?

Now Mike has not 1 but 2 CBs playing with crap technique which utterly compromises his Defensive Schemes. Coach Z has ALWAYS had at least 1 if not 2 CBs going all the way back to Dallas that he could trust. Now he's having to trust kids while also implementing a lot of zone looks to counter misdirection and pick plays. Kids in age, technique AND learning a hybrid system.  Ugh.

Tough spot for Mike to be in. Can't trust his veteran CBs for maybe the first time in his career. Kids aren't ready yet. If he blitzes too much and doesn't get home he knows somebody's going to get beat deep. If he doesn't blitz and the Front Four doesn't get pressure somebody's going to get beat deep. 

Imagine if Hughes hadn't got hurt last year where he'd be at developmentally. Or if Waynes hadn't regressed.  Or if Rick & Mike had hit on a 3T in either John's or Holmes. If even 1 of those 3 had happened this would be a typical Zimmer Top 10 or even Top 5 Defense and Minnesota would be a legit threat to win it all.
All good points and it leads to some issues for this team going forward.  Most of the defensive starters are either on their second (or third) contracts.  This mean they are expensive.  Waynes is at the end of his rookie deal and was a high first round pick. So he, too, is expensive.  The only bargain starter we have is Ant Harris, and he is at the end of his rookie deal.  He is going to want to get paid, too.  You could throw Mac in with Ant. Mac is basically a starter and is in the same situation.

Frankly, the team is not getting it's money's worth from Rhodes, Waynes, or Barr (although Barr may be more because we are not playing him to his strength).So unless we re-sign Ant or Mac, we may need to replace 4 DB starters and a starting DE.  Are all of their replacements already on the roster?  Sendejo is a step down from Harris, but is serviceable. We can pencil in Hughes at one CB.  Will Hill be the other CB? Not sure anybody trusts him enough for that.  And who plays the slot? I have not seen enough of Boyd recently to have an opinion.  I guess Weatherly and Odenighbo will replace Griff.  CBs and pass rushing DEs are critically important. So we just saw N.O. pick up Jenkins and KC just picked up Suggs.

It looks like Belicheck's model at CB recently has been to get the best one in the league. He did it with Revis and with Gilmore.  Don't need to worry about those guys; don't need to help them. Then rush the QB like crazy and provide help to the other CB.  The Rams just traded for Ramsey but if they can't re-sign him and he becomes available, I would definitely consider doing whatever needs to be done (short of losing a QB) to get him.
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#22
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
I find it hard to believe that what we're seeing from Rhodes is age-related decline. He's 29 for Chrissakes. Antoine Winfield was 31 when he went to his 1st pro bowl. Then went to three in a row. I know, different people, different bodies, different styles, but Rhodes should have several years left. 

Makes me wonder if maybe the rule changes have had more impact on Rhodes (and his playing style) than other corners. 
agreed.  and it seems to have gotten in his head as well.  I think much of it is mental for him right now.
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#23
Then again Rhodes biggest problem might be that we are not getting substantial push up the gut allowing the QB too much time thus eroding his confidence that he can stick with the wr.

 
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#24
I think his problems can mostly be put into two
categories.  1) Has lost speed.  Exactly as FSUVike said.  He’s just too slow to cover people the way he’s
used to covering people.  2)  Always getting injured.  He’s constantly getting cramps or mild
injuries that he’s playing through.  I
know some people speculate it’s acting and pouting.  I’m just going to assume it’s not.  But his injuries further exacerbates his
speed.


I don’t think he’s a lost cause.  I think this offseason is going to be huge
for him though.  He needs to get faster
and he needs to become more resilient to injuries.  I think, at the end of the season, you let
him know what his body needs to be when he shows back up for camp, and if he
hasn’t made notable physical gains towards speed and resiliency you probably
have to cut him for cap room as he's way too expensive for what we're getting.


I think if he does get back up to adequate levels of speed,
I would think his technique and confidence would look a lot better.
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#25
Quote: @Bullazin said:
@ArizonaViking said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
I can't see him taking a roster spot at any price...Need reps for the young guys...Rhodes is a headcase to boot...done...

He can be a really good trade bait.  Some team will go after him thinking they can fix this problems and bring him around to his former self.  Happens all the time in the NFL.
i hope you are right Zona.  i cant see us getting more than a 4th for him though sadly
He might make a really good Cover-2 corner.  
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#26
Quote: @pumpf said:
@Bullazin said:
@ArizonaViking said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
I can't see him taking a roster spot at any price...Need reps for the young guys...Rhodes is a headcase to boot...done...

He can be a really good trade bait.  Some team will go after him thinking they can fix this problems and bring him around to his former self.  Happens all the time in the NFL.
i hope you are right Zona.  i cant see us getting more than a 4th for him though sadly
He might make a really good Cover-2 corner.  
Or he could pour a mean slurpie...
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#27
With the narrative on Waynes and XR? Better prepare ourselves for a high draft pick going to a corner if one is there this draft...

Jerry Gray might not be sleeping to soundly these nights.

Vikings have a nice DL rotation, but a 3t is way up there in priority too. 
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#28
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
With the narrative on Waynes and XR? Better prepare ourselves for a high draft pick going to a corner if one is there this draft...

Jerry Gray might not be sleeping to soundly these nights.

Vikings have a nice DL rotation, but a 3t is way up there in priority too. 
Its a strong year for big CBs in this upcoming draft, I'll be shocked if the Vikings don't grab one. 
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