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OL and OC coach options
#11
And if it didn't matter who was coaching, you could plug anyone in there and they would be successful right? Yeah no, that's not how it works. It has to be the right combination of players and coaches. For the OC and OL, it is absolutely at a critical point now. 

There has to be a connection between the players and the coach, something has to resonate. There has to be a mindset including skill set, knowledge and experience but also the human factor. Players and coaches spend a lot of time together. A player can be a finely tuned machine but he is not a robot. An effective coach will harness and channel all the players have to offer. And the players will be driven to succeed internally but also by the coach. 
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#12
Assuming Stefanski gets the interim tag removed, I would let him hire our next OLine coach so that hire is aligned with his offensive scheme and strategy. 
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#13
If they were to move on from Zimmer (I wouldn’t), Mike McCarthy would be my first call. In my opinion he’s a great coach who couldn’t control Thompson’s building of their roster. They consistently let good players go and their overall roster now is in shambles. McCarthy is an outstanding offensive coach. 

I would stick with what we have over anyone else out there.
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#14
Quote: @StickyBun said:
Doesn't matter: its the offensive line. Nobody is going to make chicken salad out of that chicken shit unit without upgrades. 
mmmm, chicken salad.  I know what I'm having for lunch.
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#15
Quote: @Vanguard83 said:
Another of my pet peeves at all levels on O line is "big steps",
with only ONE foot in the ground you're gonna get worked, 

If you're giving ground, you've gotta "hop and drop" (feet & butt) and refit those hands under the cut of a D linemans pads.

yeah....I'm a lot of fun at practice...LOL
We need to get together sometime.  I try to convince the head coach how important it is that our OL get their footwork right before doing anything else... but he insists on getting all the plays in on the first day.  Grrr....
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#16
Here's the answer to the question:
Pay Mike Tice to come back as the OL coach (it'll take some extra $$$ because I think he's burned out... and- perhaps- because of any ill-feelings that he has towards the team)
Hire Mike Mularkey as OC.  He was an innovator (he was the "father" of "slash" in Pittsburgh), has ties to the team, is an experienced OC and HC, and has plenty of experience working with the OL (former OL coach).  Plus, in Zimmer's favor, he likes to run the ball.
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#17
Quote: @pumpf said:
Here's the answer to the question:
Pay Mike Tice to come back as the OL coach (it'll take some extra $$$ because I think he's burned out... and- perhaps- because of any ill-feelings that he has towards the team)
Hire Mike Mularkey as OC.  He was an innovator (he was the "father" of "slash" in Pittsburgh), has ties to the team, is an experienced OC and HC, and has plenty of experience working with the OL (former OL coach).  Plus, in Zimmer's favor, he likes to run the ball.
Mularkey was fired in Tennessee because he didn't do enough to utilize the skills of Mariota and their offense was ineffective and predictable. If we don't retain Stefanski, and that is assuming he even wants to come back with Zimmer after everything that transpired last year with getting blocked on the Giants OC gig, and then this year's craziness, I would be fine with that hire. We are fooling ourselves if we think Zimmer is going to want, or even attract a young and innovative Coordinator to run his run first play action offensive philosophy. Mularkey loves the power running game and multiple tight end sets and would make a good fit with Zimmer's old school approach to football. Unfortunately, we don't have the horses up front for a power running scheme so it would require a significant makeover on the offensive line. With only 1 year left on their contracts, I'm not sure there will be enough time to fix our existing line, let alone a complete makeover to save their jobs. I hate to say it, but their fate seems inevitable right now. 
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#18
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@Vanguard83 said:
@StickyBun said:
Doesn't matter: its the offensive line. Nobody is going to make chicken salad out of that chicken shit unit without upgrades. 
You'd be surprised what a good O line coach can do, even WITH chickenshit there's a LOT of technique. D linemen are often faster, and have a fantastic repertoire of moves, especially in pass pro. Personally I hate waiting and giving too much ground in pass pro.
I teach our guys to strike first on every play, right at the "cut" of the opponents pads (above the solar plexus) and drive the pads up.  It changes the spine angle of the D lineman, when that happens you now can control them.  Keep pads parallel at all times, and if a D lineman try's something cute, get into their ribs /armpit. But you can't wait on them three or four steps before striking / engaging (Hate that). They can crossbar out, but you've gotta train every day on how to refit quickly.

you try and swim, get under that armpit, and he will be on his ass.
Try to rip, and drive that lower shoulder down.

we don't have the biggest linemen on our HS team, so technique is vital.
In the NFL, its all about the players. In high school? Yeah, I agree with you. 
I think it matters greatly when it comes to drafting and free agency.  If they are going to overhaul the line we need someone that knows how to evaluate offensive linemen.  It’s something I think this team deperately needs help in doing since they have been pretty poor at it.
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#19




according to ESPN 1500


Kevin Stefanski

Following the firing of last offseason’s hire John DeFilippo in Week 15, Stefanski was put in place as interim OC. The final three games of the 2018 season marked the first time Stefanski had an opportunity to call the shots in his 13 years with the organization. He has previously worked every position group on offense except O-line.
If Mike Zimmer is looking for someone to carry over the philosophies of Pat Shurmur that worked so well for the Vikings in 2017, Stefanski may be his man. It was clear that players trusted Stefanski and Kirk Cousins endorsed him during the QB’s final press conference of the year. Running back Latavius Murray said that Stefanski’s gameplans allowed them to “play fast.” Three games is hardly enough of a sample size to be sure whether Stefanski could take them to the next level, but his track record otherwise is stellar.
Todd Downing 
Once a Minnesota Vikings public relations intern, Downing climbed the ladder from “systems analyst” to quality control coach to quarterbacks coach with the Detroit Lions to Oakland Raiders offensive coordinator in 2017. After Jack Del Rio’s staff was let go, Downing returned to Minnesota as tight ends coach.
Again, the sample size is small for Downing as a play caller. Oakland’s offense was 17th in yards and 23rd in points, but also saw some of its stacked 12-4 roster from 2016 deteriorate. He was QB coach for the Raiders during Derek Carr’s best year.
Sean Ryan
The Vikings reportedly interviewed Ryan last year during their OC search. He is currently the quarterbacks coach for the Houston Texans, who have seen DeShaun Watson rise to stardom this season. Previously Ryan was on both of the New York Giants Super Bowl-winning coaching staffs, once as a quality control coach and again as receivers coach. He also spent four years working with Eli Manning as the Giants’ quarterbacks coach.
Dan Campbell
The Vikings also reportedly interviewed Campbell last offseason. He played for the Giants, Cowboys, Lions and Saints before working with the Dolphins’ coaching staff from 2011 until 2016. Part of his tenure with the Dolphins was spent with Tony Sparano. He left Miami to join Sean Payton’s coaching staff in New Orleans, where he has been the assistant head coach / tight ends coach. He won the Ed Block Courage award and the Super Bowl as a player.
Hue Jackson
The head coaching version of Jackson has not gone particularly well. He won just just 11 times in 55 games as head coach, but had some impressive seasons as an offensive coordinator. In 2010 his Raiders offense cracked the top 10 in yards and in 2015, Jackson led a Bengals offense that ranked seventh in the NFL in points. Zimmer and Jackson have been close since they worked together in Atlanta in 2007. Last year on a conference call, the former Browns coach said he often called Zimmer for advice during his tough times.
Adam Gase
During his three years as Miami’s head coach, the Dolphins went 23-25. He worked as Denver’s offensive coordinator in 2013 and 2014, in which the Broncos ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in points scored behind future Hall of Fame quarterback Peyton Manning. Since then Gase hasn’t seen much offensive success, ranking 20th or lower in total yards every year in Miami and during one season as Chicago’s OC. Of course, his quarterbacks weren’t exactly Manning during that time. He is considered a head coaching candidate for other teams with openings, but if Gase doesn’t land a gig somewhere else he could get some consideration.
Jim Caldwell
Caldwell also made his bones working with Peyton Manning as a quarterbacks coach and assistant head coach. He was the head coach of the Colts from 2009-2011 and then spent two seasons with the Baltimore Ravens. Caldwell was elevated to OC in 2012 and went on to win the Super Bowl. He coached the Lions from 2014-2017. He has a 62-50 record as a head coach and had the seventh best scoring offense during his final year with Detroit.
Todd Monken
After spending the last three years as OC, Monken is on the market following the firing of the Bucs’ staff. With Ryan Fitzpatrick at the helm for half the season the Bucs ranked third in yards, first in passing yards and 12th in points, but also finished with the most turnovers in the NFL and the 29th ranked running game.
Jim Bob Cooter
Detroit’s offensive coordinator did not fit with Matt Patricia this season, but was at the helm for Matthew Stafford’s turnaround from 2015-2017. During those years the Lions ranked ninth, 11th and sixth in passing yards. They also consistently struggled to run, ranking 32nd twice in four years.
Zac Taylor
The Rams’ quarterbacks coach has previous experience as an offensive coordinator with Miami and Cincinnati. McVay’s offensive innovations are starting to make their way around the league, so there will be plenty of interest in Taylor — thought it’s not clear Zimmer is looking for more innovation considering his last go ’round with an up-and-coming offensive mind.
Joe Philbin
From 2007-2011, Philbin was the Packers’ offensive coordinator, first with Brett Favre and then with Aaron Rodgers. He spent three years as the Dolphins head coach and had one year in which Miami ranked 11th in points. Philbin rejoined the Packers this year and ended up as the interim head coach after Mike McCarthy was let go. He may draw interest if the Vikings are looking for a highly experience coach.
Darrell Bevell
Bevell’s name was brought into the mix during last year’s search. He worked as the Vikings’ OC from 2006 until 2010 and then worked from 2011 until 2017 in Seattle. The Seahawks’ offense ranked as high as fourth in scoring during his tenure and was top five in rushing for four straight years.
Freddie Kitchens
A relative unknown until Hue Jackson was fired and Kitchens was thrown into the limelight working with Baker Mayfield, the Browns’ offense took off with him at the helm. He has worked in the NFL as a position coach since 2006.

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#20
Quote: @StickyBun said:
In the NFL, its all about the players. In high school? Yeah, I agree with you. 

I have to say that I disagree with you SB.  Coaching matters the least in college football where talent is recruit.  In HS, coaching is important but the required coaching is teaching good technique.  In pro football, with a salary cap, I don't think there is a huge difference in talent between teams -- teams may allocate their $ towards talent in different manners but overall I think the difference in talent between the best team in the NFL and worse is much smaller that the talent between the best team in college football and the 32nd best team in college football.  That is why you have these teams who go from last in their division to first in a single year (coupled, of course, with an easier schedule).

In the NFL, the good coaches not only know how to teach technique but they are great at either constructing schemes that match the players attributes or finding players with attributes that match their chosen schemes.  They also need to assist the personnel department is deciding which players to keep year in and year out.  These means not only who is worth developing but also who is worth paying.  Then you have the in game adjustments made by the coaches (which requires knowing not only what adjustments to make but communicating them to the players and knowing your players ability to execute the on the fly adjustments.

There are numerous examples of players who were below average who became integral players on good teams because of scheme fit and coaching.  On the Vikings, you can look at Rhodes as someone who needed Zimmer's coaching.  You can look at many players who have come and gone in NE. 

I think coaching in the NFL is really underrated.  
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