I find this funny.

[AGRforever]

 Someone like you cannot discern the truth.  You are far from a Libertarian. The fact that you think you are is kind of amusing.  No little l or big L Libertarian ever would willingly let something like a forced experimental drug be forced on the public.  I really don’t find you to be particularly informed about anything.  You simply try to be a message board shock jock.   I don’t think I’m changing the world, just backing up my beliefs and willing to speak about them.  If I’m eventually proven wrong, I’m every bit as much there to own up to it as when I’m right.  You’re not that way. I understand why a person like yourself wouldn’t want to be held to that standard.

Get bent man.  My brother in law works for public health.  He was in charge of the contact trace program for his state.  I had ample access to data through him about Covid and the vaccinations.  He had daily contact with the CDC.  Literally any question I wanted to ask, I could.  We have 2 severely sick (respiratory) elderly people living on the AGR compound.  Our family took the vaccinations for them.  End of story.    

It was a no brainer.  Vaccinations are a way to help those who can't take them for real reasons.  Not some made up bullshit from facebook or your zerohedge propaganda.    

I was and still am in favor of required vaccinations for healthcare professionals.  They of all people already are required to take a whole host of vaccinations that normal people aren't required to take.  If their employer deems an unvaccinated individual a risk to patient care...then yes go ahead and require it. 

You should post more on your private covid thread.  Why stop at 100 pages?  Go for 500 or even 1000.

[Waterboy]

Get bent man.  My brother in law works for public health.  He was in charge of the contact trace program for his state.  I had ample access to data through him about Covid and the vaccinations.  He had daily contact with the CDC.  Literally any question I wanted to ask, I could.  We have 2 severely sick (respiratory) elderly people living on the AGR compound.  Our family took the vaccinations for them.  End of story.    

It was a no brainer.  Vaccinations are a way to help those who can't take them for real reasons.  Not some made up bullshit from facebook or your zerohedge propaganda.    

I was and still am in favor of required vaccinations for healthcare professionals.  They of all people already are required to take a whole host of vaccinations that normal people aren't required to take.  If their employer deems an unvaccinated individual a risk to patient care...then yes go ahead and require it. 

You should post more on your private covid thread.  Why stop at 100 pages?  Go for 500 or even 1000.

You obviously still have no clue that your healthcare professionals being vaxxed for Covid did absolutely nothing for their patients. lol   If you're for a forced experimental drug, you're not libertarian.  You can make the choice that you did at the time to take the vaccine, and that's fine.  It was of little use in retrospect and probably will have l-t negative implications.  It is what it is.  You can try to out-source me.  You're not going to on this one.   I had someone actually responsible for developing and then determining the efficacy of the vaccines.   To him and to others who ultimately quit rather than lie to the public, the vaccines on average did more harm than good for people in reasonably good health.  For elderly/compromised patients he felt it was up to them.  What are your sources for great information that have proven to be accurate on anything being reported during the Biden era?  You just like to discredit other sources while demonstrating a ton of ignorance to most topics overall.  You have a new hero to worship this weekend.  Luigi was all for him as well. Congrats.

[badgervike]

WB - There's no doubt that the elderly and those with co-morbidities should be/ have been vaccinated particularly during the early days without proven therapeutics and availability of ventilators . That is especially true for the elderly living in communal housing situations. The survivability is much higher for those two groups...just ask Mario Cuomo. There's equally no reason for those healthy 12 and under to have ever been given the shot. The potential long term effects were much more significant than the minute risk of death from the virus. Everyone else made their decisions based on the availability of data. I was a volunteer educator for the County Vax clinic so I kept a pretty close eye on the scientific data at the time. At this point, there's much more information available. Google it and make your decision accordingly based on the data. Unfortunately, like everything else in the hyper politicized World these days...it's tough to get good unbiased data.

[Waterboy]

WB - There's no doubt that the elderly and those with co-morbidities should be/ have been vaccinated particularly during the early days without proven therapeutics and availability of ventilators .  That is especially true for the elderly living in communal housing situations.  The survivability is much higher for those two groups...just ask Mario Cuomo.  There's equally no reason for those healthy 12 and under to have ever been given the shot.  The potential long term effects were much more significant than the minute risk of death from the virus.  Everyone else made their decisions based on the availability of data.  I was a volunteer educator for the County Vax clinic so I kept a pretty close eye on the scientific data at the time.  At this point, there's much more information available.  Google it and make your decision accordingly based on the data.  Unfortunately, like everything else in the hyper politicized World these days...it's tough to get good unbiased data.

I had a source that gave me all of the unbiased information I needed to know.  The Vax "probably" helped saved some lives in the short-term.  However, the effect was grossly over-stated due to the fact that the variant of Covid it was fighting simultaneously became much weaker.  Sitting here today and having several close friends and family in the medical insurance industry, the numbers of stroke victims, turbo cancers, and myocarditis, amongst other illnesses have skyrocketed., but that's not being reported.  With Trump in office, it tends to take the air out of the room even from right wing sites.   I can argue covid until the cows come home, but the main thought of this thread is that non MSM sites have proven to be far more accurate on a broad spectrum of topics.  The other side lives on lies.  They'll throw in "Zero Hedge" references even though most of the articles I posted from there quoted studies or people who made correct assertions in hindsight.  It wasn't Zero Hedge with an editorial board pulling shit out of thin air.   That kind of shit happened via anonymous government officials forcing their narrative throughout the media.  I just find the other side to be a little disingenuous when it comes to admitting the right-wing version of the news has been far more accurate than the MSM's version.  They'd rather play the role of an ostrich than face the truth.

As for the early days of Covid, my brother died of Covid and I blame a combination of the ventilator and laying them upside down for a large majority of the problem.  When Covid first hit, my wife who is an RN formerly dealing with allergy could not believe they weren't using steroids and nebulizers.  She treated a family member who had ALS with that regimen and got him through it as the drugs were made available due to him being in a hospice state due to the ALS diagnosis.  The idea that anyone was forced to receive an experimental vaccine which til this day is "experimental" was always ridiculous.  I won't argue that it didn't help some people, but I will always argue no one should have ever been forced to take it.