I find this funny.

[Waterboy]

With all the lefties on this site, which one would like to come on now and assert ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, or MSNBC, the NYT, or the Washington Post Post are more reliable than the Gateway Pundit?  it’s kind of futile, because they facts say otherwise, and it’s not close. The silence of the left on this site is kind of hilarious given the leanings of the posters as a whole.

[JimmyinSD]

With all the lefties on this site, which one would like to come on now and assert ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, or MSNBC, the NYT, or the Washington Post Post are more reliable than the Gateway Pundit?  it’s kind of futile, because they facts say otherwise, and it’s not close. The silence of the left on this site is kind of hilarious given the leanings of the posters as a whole.

I dont think you know the leanings of this site.  Fact is that there are quite a few members that dont have access to this part of the site and/or even more that choose not to participate in these types of threads.

I would say its less than a dozen or so that you can say definitively are lefties.  The silence doesn't necessarily mean what you think it does.

[Waterboy]

I dont think you know the leanings of this site.  Fact is that there are quite a few members that dont have access to this part of the site and/or even more that choose not to participate in these types of threads.

I would say its less than a dozen or so that you can say definitively are lefties.  The silence doesn't necessarily mean what you think it does.

You would know better than me.  I know there are some devoted lefties from past lives and comments that sure seem to not show up nowadays to own what they used to be so damn sure about.

[purplefaithful]

We can have political differences and not be enemies full of vitriol, anger and looking for the next "gotcha" moments.

Life too short!

I have plenty of conservative friends who have little agreement with me on Tariffs, how to humanely treat immigrants (they're not all criminals), Lgbtq, climate change impact and more...

I'm not any better, smarter than the next person, but I refuse to live in an us vs them world.

[badgervike]

With all the lefties on this site, which one would like to come on now and assert ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, or MSNBC, the NYT, or the Washington Post Post are more reliable than the Gateway Pundit?  it’s kind of futile, because they facts say otherwise, and it’s not close. The silence of the left on this site is kind of hilarious given the leanings of the posters as a whole.

Can't we just discuss topics without attacking the other side without any specificity?

[Waterboy]

Can't we just discuss topics without attacking the other side without any specificity?

Some posters on this site such as PurpleFaithful warrant respect with their tone and ability to be introspective, although we disagree a lot on policies.  I have a ton of respect for posters like him and yourself (you're very well informed and buttoned up in your arguments.)  I do disagree with you here as I feel this is a topic that warrants discussion.  How can anyone argue that the sites that were right should have been discredited all along?   This post isn't intended for posters that are generally respectful in tone and demeanor.  They aren't the ones who have been brainwashed or are experiencing TDS 2.0.  Some call names and totally cross the line when they disagree and then go into hiding when their whole narrative falls apart.  I'm looking at those that have made allegations of racism, fascism, killing others due to a different belief on COVID Jabs (they're not a vaccine) as those these remarks are intended for, and the ones that I feel are rightfully called out. The ones that slandered every site that dared to disagree with the Biden Party Line Talking Points.  

Yes, I could avoid calling out hypocrisy of posters here about their definition of what constituted good sources versus trash, but doing so ensures they come back to the same narrative later on. If Trump had not spent the last decade calling out the media, where do you think honest reporting would be today?  I understand Trump has flaws, but when 98% of stories in the MSM are negative, we have a big problem.  With a different election result, any objectivity in reporting would have been totally eradicated.  One side does tend to selectively pick their information and apply broad labels like "Faux News" and discredit the only sites that report honestly in an avalanche of dishonesty.  When it's eventually proven that these sources are correct, people who applied a general label of them being joke sites retreat to where they came from in an effort to live to fight another day with the same ridiculous logic and argument.  That or they just become totally irrational and never admit that they were wrong all along.   How do we stop this from happening unless you become a bullhorn like Trump and call it out continuously?  Conservative sites probably constitute about 5-10% of the shared "news" sources out there, and it has been an organized effort by liberals to silence and discredit them.  Even polling outlets like Insider Advantage and TIPP that have been by far the most accurate polls over the last few elections were attempted to be discredited by the left in hopes of a self-fulfilling prophecy and narrative that Harris would win.    

Calling out this hypocrisy and revisiting it has been quite effective in Trump's case, and it's a style quite honestly that I've always had as well.  It's not for everybody, but then again, I'm not sure I care a lot whether it is or not.   Bottom line, I think this discussion is valuable as were my 1,000's of posts on Covid across multiple forums.  Ideas and narratives supported by truth can often be tossed aside and untruths permitted to live on without people calling it out.  I understand some of you that agree with me in a broader sense don't agree with the way I approach it, but I'm not trying to make best buddies when posting.  I think the style is effective and in general, I'm as respectful to other posters as they are to me.  You're a very good poster, but your style and mine are obviously quite different.  I will kick a liberal when they're down, because I don't want a repeat of the shit that nearly buried this country for good.

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We can have political differences and not be enemies full of vitriol, anger and looking for the next "gotcha" moments.

Life too short!

I have plenty of conservative friends who have little agreement with me on Tariffs, how to humanely treat immigrants (they're not all criminals), Lgbtq, climate change impact and more...

I'm not any better, smarter than the next person, but I refuse to live in an us vs them world.

I'm assuming you like Tariffs as that is a traditionally Liberal stance more than conservative consistent with Trumps popularity with the unions.  Most conservatives are totally for legal immigration.  Illegal immigrants by definition are committing a crime.  I think you list your issues in order of our agreement concerning them.  I'm not sure if that was intentional.  I totally respect your last line, but I think ignoring the fact that some others are likely to make it us versus them world is necessary to navigate who to work with and who not to.

[badgervike]

Some posters on this site such as PurpleFaithful warrant respect with their tone and ability to be introspective, although we disagree a lot on policies.  I have a ton of respect for posters like him and yourself (you're very well informed and buttoned up in your arguments.)  I do disagree with you here as I feel this is a topic that warrants discussion.  How can anyone argue that the sites that were right should have been discredited all along?   This post isn't intended for posters that are generally respectful in tone and demeanor.  They aren't the ones who have been brainwashed or are experiencing TDS 2.0.  Some call names and totally cross the line when they disagree and then go into hiding when their whole narrative falls apart.  I'm looking at those that have made allegations of racism, fascism, killing others due to a different belief on COVID Jabs (they're not a vaccine) as those these remarks are intended for, and the ones that I feel are rightfully called out. The ones that slandered every site that dared to disagree with the Biden Party Line Talking Points.  

Yes, I could avoid calling out hypocrisy of posters here about their definition of what constituted good sources versus trash, but doing so ensures they come back to the same narrative later on. If Trump had not spent the last decade calling out the media, where do you think honest reporting would be today?  I understand Trump has flaws, but when 98% of stories in the MSM are negative, we have a big problem.  With a different election result, any objectivity in reporting would have been totally eradicated.  One side does tend to selectively pick their information and apply broad labels like "Faux News" and discredit the only sites that report honestly in an avalanche of dishonesty.  When it's eventually proven that these sources are correct, people who applied a general label of them being joke sites retreat to where they came from in an effort to live to fight another day with the same ridiculous logic and argument.  That or they just become totally irrational and never admit that they were wrong all along.   How do we stop this from happening unless you become a bullhorn like Trump and call it out continuously?  Conservative sites probably constitute about 5-10% of the shared "news" sources out there, and it has been an organized effort by liberals to silence and discredit them.  Even polling outlets like Insider Advantage and TIPP that have been by far the most accurate polls over the last few elections were attempted to be discredited by the left in hopes of a self-fulfilling prophecy and narrative that Harris would win.    

Calling out this hypocrisy and revisiting it has been quite effective in Trump's case, and it's a style quite honestly that I've always had as well.  It's not for everybody, but then again, I'm not sure I care a lot whether it is or not.   Bottom line, I think this discussion is valuable as were my 1,000's of posts on Covid across multiple forums.  Ideas and narratives supported by truth can often be tossed aside and untruths permitted to live on without people calling it out.  I understand some of you that agree with me in a broader sense don't agree with the way I approach it, but I'm not trying to make best buddies when posting.  I think the style is effective and in general, I'm as respectful to other posters as they are to me.  You're a very good poster, but your style and mine are obviously quite different.  I will kick a liberal when they're down, because I don't want a repeat of the shit that nearly buried this country for good.

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I'm assuming you like Tariffs as that is a traditionally Liberal stance more than conservative consistent with Trumps popularity with the unions.  Most conservatives are totally for legal immigration.  Illegal immigrants by definition are committing a crime.  I think you list your issues in order of our agreement concerning them.  I'm not sure if that was intentional.  I totally respect your last line, but I think ignoring the fact that some others are likely to make it us versus them world is necessary to navigate who to work with and who not to.

99% of the Covid posts were likely from you WB.  You think anybody that visits this forum is unaware of your position on Covid. In this hyperpoliticized World...it's incumbent on people to seek out information on both sides of the various issues.  The answers / issues are almost always somewhere in between what the media will tell you.  Both sides play to the extremes of their base.  Find that equilibrium and you and the Country will be in a better place.   It sucks that you can't just go and get unbiased news any more.

[Waterboy]

99% of the Covid posts were likely from you WB.  You think anybody that visits this forum is unaware of your position on Covid.  In this hyperpoliticized World...it's incumbent on people to seek out information on both sides of the various issues.  The answers / issues are almost always somewhere in between what the media will tell you.  Both sides play to the extremes of their base.  Find that equilibrium and you and the Country will be in a better place.   It sucks that you can't just go and get unbiased news any more.

I'm guessing that 99% of the Covid posts were from me at the end as the evidence piled up and people who were SO cocky and self-righteous at the beginning slowly faded as did masks and mandates.  It takes people being passionate to actually change things.  When I first started calling out all of the lies with the vaccine, I was told how stupid I was by the same people in hiding now.  My ace in the hole was a doctor who was the lead investigator on the Moderna team developing the vaccine who knew it wasn't working and posed risks that are showing first in myocardaitis and now in Turbo Cancers and other L-T illnesses.   

I don't agree that the answers and accurate stories traditionally lie somewhere in between with today's media.  The media has earned their distinction in having very little to no trust.  There was barely a shred of accuracy from the MSM on most of the important topics.  Free speech was being banned as proved by the Twitter files.   Joe was senile and we did have a shadow presidency, Russia Gate was a made-up hoax, lawfare did occur along with double-standards, the border was over run, Kamala was incompetent, the moderators did try to influence who won the debates, the Afghanistan pull-out was totally botched.   None of that saw the light of day, but for alternative sites and Fox News.  It's really inarguable.  I think they found before the election that fully 80% of stories on Kamala were positive, while less than 2% of stories on Trump were positive.  The truth to me is nowhere close to being somewhere in between, it's grossly slanted.   

We still haven't uncovered all of the Jan. 6 nonsense just yet, but that along with whether the 2020 election being stolen are really the only two positions Trump and right leaning sites have taken that haven't proven to be totally true, and I say "yet".  Obviously, Democrats had a much bigger role in what happened on Jan. 6 than has been divulged, and there is more to the story with proof likely to surface in the not-too-distant future.  As for the 2020 election, it was at best "tainted" by ballot harvesting and inaccurate media reporting, and at worst was stolen by corrupt tallies of balloting late into the night.  So if people were to argue on those two topics with me, I'd listen with an open mind.  The other stuff is pure nonsense, and both sides know it.  .

[AGRforever]

I’d be best described as a Ron Paul republican or a little L libertarian. That doesn’t mean I support Trump. I have views that differ drastically to today’s republicans. It also doesn’t make me a liberal just because I don’t support the latest iteration of the republican platform.

The reason nobody responds is we don’t read every post on this side and we sure as hell didn’t bother to read your own personal 100 page Covid thread. You are one of the few people I know of that thinks just because you regurgitated some online articles in a little known Vikings off topic forum that you’re somehow changing the hearts and minds of the world.

[Waterboy]

I’d be best described as a Ron Paul republican or a little L libertarian. That doesn’t mean I support Trump. I have views that differ drastically to today’s republicans.  It also doesn’t make me a liberal just because I don’t support the latest iteration of the republican platform.

The reason nobody responds is we don’t read every post on this side and we sure as hell didn’t bother to read your own personal 100 page Covid thread. You are one of the few people I know of that thinks just because you regurgitated some online articles in a little known Vikings off topic forum that you’re somehow changing the hearts and minds of the world.

 Someone like you cannot discern the truth.  You are far from a Libertarian. The fact that you think you are is kind of amusing.  No little l or big L Libertarian ever would willingly let something like a forced experimental drug be forced on the public.  I really don’t find you to be particularly informed about anything.  You simply try to be a message board shock jock.   I don’t think I’m changing the world, just backing up my beliefs and willing to speak about them.  If I’m eventually proven wrong, I’m every bit as much there to own up to it as when I’m right.  You’re not that way. I understand why a person like yourself wouldn’t want to be held to that standard.