Quote: @Canthony said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Canthony said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency.
What are your thoughts on George Pickens? I really like him and I think his talent is up there. That is my pick for our 2nd rounder.
In terms of value, my favorite receiver in the draft. After Jameson Williams, I think he has the most raw talent in this group. It jumps off the screen. And you'll be able to get him in the 2nd round because of the injury. If we trade down in the 1st, I like Pickens with the extra 2nd.
His talent is undeniable. He has somewhat of an attitude problem it seems on the field, but I like that in him. I like that he has fire. He still ran a 4.45 I believe after his ACL as well. Jameson is my number one WR as well. Dudes a freak.
Yeah, I don't have a problem with the attitude thing. They weren't recent and, like you, I'd rather see that than the opposite: disinterest.
I don't have Jameson #1 because I think everyone's fooling themselves if they think he'll be ready early in the season. But who knows? ACL recovery time seems to keep getting shorter and shorter. He is the most talented I think.
I’m starting to think Williams will be the first WR taken and will be gone before our pick. If he’s there at 12 I’d be very, very tempted to take him. He torched the SEC last year, including Georgia. Wilson interests me also at 12, but not quite as much as Williams.
EDIT- To add, picking WR might not feel like a need now but Conklin is gone, Irv and Mattison are in the last years of their deals, and Theilen’s age+cap hit don’t make sense for next year without yet another restructure. You could almost say the same thing for Dalvin. Depending how this season goes we could lose a LOT of offensive playmakers after this season.
Mort just said on ESPN he thinks Jameson Williams is going top 10. Kind of a bummer as I'd love him in purple. But this could push someone else down to us, especially if Willis goes early too. Stingley?
Drake London doesn't run a 40 during pro day. Probably smart on his part
Quote: @pattersaur said:
Mort just said on ESPN he thinks Jameson Williams is going top 10. Kind of a bummer as I'd love him in purple. But this could push someone else down to us, especially if Willis goes early too. Stingley?
Williams might be the most talented receiver in the draft, but I also think it's pretty crazy to assume he's going to be available week 1. Or even week 6. There are only a handful of teams who are in a position to deal with that. The good thing is that the Packers are probably not one of them. Are the Vikings?
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
@ Canthony said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency.
What are your thoughts on George Pickens? I really like him and I think his talent is up there. That is my pick for our 2nd rounder.
Stats won't show how good of a receiver he really was at Georgia. His antics on the other hand, make him a pass for me
What kind of antics? Can't say I've heard anything about that.
He's definitely one of my favorite receiver prospects in this draft. Think he'd be a great replacement for Thielen down the line, and a pretty good running mate with JJ.
Quote: @PurpleCrush said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ Canthony said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency.
What are your thoughts on George Pickens? I really like him and I think his talent is up there. That is my pick for our 2nd rounder.
Stats won't show how good of a receiver he really was at Georgia. His antics on the other hand, make him a pass for me
What kind of antics? Can't say I've heard anything about that.
He's definitely one of my favorite receiver prospects in this draft. Think he'd be a great replacement for Thielen down the line, and a pretty good running mate with JJ.
He threw some fists when he was a freshman and was suspended for a game. He also flagged once for squirting a player with a water bottle on the sideline. So there ya go, he's the next Randy Moss. :-)
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ Canthony said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency.
What are your thoughts on George Pickens? I really like him and I think his talent is up there. That is my pick for our 2nd rounder.
Stats won't show how good of a receiver he really was at Georgia. His antics on the other hand, make him a pass for me
What kind of antics? Can't say I've heard anything about that.
He's definitely one of my favorite receiver prospects in this draft. Think he'd be a great replacement for Thielen down the line, and a pretty good running mate with JJ.
He threw some fists when he was a freshman and was suspended for a game. He also flagged once for squirting a player with a water bottle on the sideline. So there ya go, he's the next Randy Moss. :-)
Ahhhh, I remember that now! Didn't know that it was him. Well at least it was a bottle that he used and not anything else.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Skodin said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Interesting that the Packers did not get a premium pick for Davante Adams. There are 5, maybe 6, WRs expected to go in the first 20 ish. After that, there's a big dropoff in talent. At 22, they may try to move up for one but they have a lot of holes to fill. Either way, it's not likely the rookie is going to give them anything close to what Adams did. I'm shocked they didn't add at least one mid-tier WR in free agency.
That would be a huge run on WR's. I think it's a very good group but would be surprised to see that many go off the board in the top 20 picks. I think the Packers are playing it smart, wait until the draft and see how that plays out. They can always come back and try to sign an OBJ or Julio Jones afterwards. Nobody is knocking any doors down to sign those guys. I still
contend that while losing Adams individually is almost impossible to replace, they might end up with a better overall collective group of receiving targets when all is said and done.
I'd love to see how they will do this since they have also lost St Brown and Scantling. So you lose your #1 WR (and a top 3# WR in the game), your #3 and #4 and somehow you are going to get better next year?
Good luck with that
Well that's only if you consider St Brown and Scantling to be any good or losses for that matter. I'm thinking their combined 35 catches for 528 yards and 3 TD's from last season are replaceable. KJ Osborn doubled their combined production as our 3rd WR last year, so I think the Packers are going to upgrade those roster spots at receiver.
Right, but use the same lens of scrutiny on other teams that you do with the Vikings.
For example, what would you be saying right now if the Vikings lost Jefferson, Osborne and Marsette. Would you be saying that the Vikings might end up with a better overall group? Somehow I don't think so.
I would not be concerned with losing Osborne or Marsette if all this hypothetical is based on is last years production. It would suck losing Jefferson but if we had four of the top 49 picks in this draft (like they do), in a WR heavy draft, then I'd say it certainly would have the potential to soften that blow. Say they come out of the draft with Olave and Jameson Williams or Treyvon Burks, and sign Julio Jones, OBJ, or Will Fuller after the draft? I would say that's a better collective group of receivers then simply Adams and the scrubs they've been putting out there with him. It's why Rodgers has been so pissed these last few years.
Definitely possible, but at 33 Julio Jones is probably done. More than any other position, WRs fall off a cliff at a certain point. Remember Randy. He went from unstoppable to unplayable in what seemed like one year. Jones might already be over it considering how many games he's missed the last two years.
As far as the draft goes, they'll almost certainly draft one high. But rookies like Chase and JJ are the exception. Unless they get lucky, It will be a few years before they can expect anything approaching Adams' level of play.
Agree with you that Jones is probably done, but Will Fuller would give them a young speed element they haven't really had and OBJ would be a wild card.
Injury is the only thing that ever really seems to derail the Packers. They get their two best offensive lineman back, Tonyan at TE, plus whatever they parlay these draft picks into. I still contend that even with losing Adams, their offense is going to be better unit then last season.
As long as they don't trade for Metcalf I'm not concerned. If they get Metcalf, we may not notice Adams absence much.
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