Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
After 1968 the team was coming into a season having just made their 1st ever playoff appearance. They elected to not exercise the option for Joe Kapp. 1969 he was team MVP which he declined with his famous 40 for 60 quote. Entering the 1970 season having just won the NFL championship and making the Super Bowl he was a free agent. He was not resigned. I don't know all the politics involved in these choices. I was just a kid. However his backup Gary Guozzo started the next 2 seasons. Then realizing the team needed a leader. They traded to bring back Tarkenton in 1972. As great as Fran was. He couldn't do in 3 trys what Joe failed to do his one. However some believed we had a leader in Joe that got away.
I'm not old enough to know this firsthand, but I've watched a lot of old newsreel and read alot of anthologies re:the Vikings. Based on that, I'm guessing that the team thought they could do better as a passer, as Joe threw some horrific ducks. But I don't think anyone ever questioned his toughness or leadership.
I remember Joe. I'm old enough to remember. Was just too young to pay attention to the politics of football yet. Guys who rocked the boat any back then were black balled. Free agency was almost more a punishment then a opportunity. I just always wondered if Joe fell into that trap. Do you remember or heard? I've watched quite a few old timey games footage too. Seemed throwing ducks was what alot of great ones did then...lol. Just basing my opinion here on what the older generation thought about Joe and what could have been in 1970/71. We might have changed our destiny.
Joe was a stud. He was the one player that made me a Vikings fan. Gritty, hard nosed and a winner. And the best damn linebacker to play QB we ever had! 
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I know it sounds crazy, but what's crazy is your franchise QB suffering a non-contact, career-threatening injury, trading a 1st rounder to bring in his replacement, then him suffering a career-threatening injury, then the backup coming in and winning 13 games, then a 29-year-old QB who's thrown for 4,000 yards each of the last three seasons becoming available in free agency.
That's actually not crazy. It's why this makes sense.
Well, that was my point.
And I don't think that Rick really rolled the dice. While it's technically true that Sam, Teddy and Case all signed their deals before we locked up Cousins, this was a done deal long before pen was set to paper.
And while your list of QB busts is largely correct, don't forget that nearly every playoff-hopeful season going back 10-12 years has ended with some sort of QB injury. Culpepper, Favre, Ponder, Cassel, Teddy, Sam.
I'm sure that injury history played a big part in the desire to start fresh with a QB who has been remarkably durable, starting 48 of his last 48 games.
Well, I'll remember not to agree with you...lol.
I just laid out our sorry list because it is what it is. You could add Brad Johnson to the list. He wasn't a high pick though. Thought we had a 10 year starter in him...before. I'm tired of the chase. Man I hope this pays off. I like this move in case you think I'm disagreeing.
I will say that the team needs to decide this year if Sloter is going to be a potential starter or if his ceiling is clip board holder. If they dont think he is able to take over for Kirk in 3 years then they need to be targeting a QB early next draft IMO. We dont know how Kirk is going to be at the end of this deal, he will still be pretty close to what is considered prime for a QB and our roster may be looking completely different, he may want to leave to extend his viability window, or he may be demanding an even higher % of the cap and we would be better off moving on...either way I hope that the Rick isnt spending to much time relaxing on the position as it will come up again very soon. I think it takes 2 to 3 years of grooming before a QB is ready to take over a contending team so if its not Sloter... get somebody who is.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
I will say that the team needs to decide this year if Sloter is going to be a potential starter or if his ceiling is clip board holder. If they dont think he is able to take over for Kirk in 3 years then they need to be targeting a QB early next draft IMO. We dont know how Kirk is going to be at the end of this deal, he will still be pretty close to what is considered prime for a QB and our roster may be looking completely different, he may want to leave to extend his viability window, or he may be demanding an even higher % of the cap and we would be better off moving on...either way I hope that the Rick isnt spending to much time relaxing on the position as it will come up again very soon. I think it takes 2 to 3 years of grooming before a QB is ready to take over a contending team so if its not Sloter... get somebody who is.
It's going to be very interesting to watch Sloter in the preseason this summer. I'm going to that first game in Denver. Should be some interesting story lines in that one with Keenum, Sloter, Siemian. This town is still fuming over the whole Sloter thing. But they think they have the next Joe Montana in Keenum.
I think what both Cousins and the Vikings want more than anything is for Cousins to become that unquestioned, long-term QB like Rivers, Flacco, Roethlisberger, who plays for 6 to 10 more years on the same team and becomes ingrained into the community.
But y'know, best laid plans all...
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
I will say that the team needs to decide this year if Sloter is going to be a potential starter or if his ceiling is clip board holder. If they dont think he is able to take over for Kirk in 3 years then they need to be targeting a QB early next draft IMO. We dont know how Kirk is going to be at the end of this deal, he will still be pretty close to what is considered prime for a QB and our roster may be looking completely different, he may want to leave to extend his viability window, or he may be demanding an even higher % of the cap and we would be better off moving on...either way I hope that the Rick isnt spending to much time relaxing on the position as it will come up again very soon. I think it takes 2 to 3 years of grooming before a QB is ready to take over a contending team so if its not Sloter... get somebody who is.
It's going to be very interesting to watch Sloter in the preseason this summer. I'm going to that first game in Denver. Should be some interesting story lines in that one with Keenum, Sloter, Siemian. This town is still fuming over the whole Sloter thing. But they think they have the next Joe Montana in Keenum.
I think what both Cousins and the Vikings want more than anything is for Cousins to become that unquestioned, long-term QB like Rivers, Flacco, Roethlisberger, who plays for 6 to 10 more years on the same team and becomes ingrained into the community.
But y'know, best laid plans all...
Then if that the case and we found our guy. I will be happy if they make him again the highest paid QB. Because the thing about that. He won't be the highest paid for long. That's the game now.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
I will say that the team needs to decide this year if Sloter is going to be a potential starter or if his ceiling is clip board holder. If they dont think he is able to take over for Kirk in 3 years then they need to be targeting a QB early next draft IMO. We dont know how Kirk is going to be at the end of this deal, he will still be pretty close to what is considered prime for a QB and our roster may be looking completely different, he may want to leave to extend his viability window, or he may be demanding an even higher % of the cap and we would be better off moving on...either way I hope that the Rick isnt spending to much time relaxing on the position as it will come up again very soon. I think it takes 2 to 3 years of grooming before a QB is ready to take over a contending team so if its not Sloter... get somebody who is.
It's going to be very interesting to watch Sloter in the preseason this summer. I'm going to that first game in Denver. Should be some interesting story lines in that one with Keenum, Sloter, Siemian. This town is still fuming over the whole Sloter thing. But they think they have the next Joe Montana in Keenum.
I think what both Cousins and the Vikings want more than anything is for Cousins to become that unquestioned, long-term QB like Rivers, Flacco, Roethlisberger, who plays for 6 to 10 more years on the same team and becomes ingrained into the community.
But y'know, best laid plans all...
Then if that the case and we found our guy. I will be happy if they make him again the highest paid QB. Because the thing about that. He won't be the highest paid for long. That's the game now.
the problem is at that point of his career his game is more likely to start tailing off, he will lose mobility, he will be more prone to injury, etc... this resetting the market with each contract is not a sustainable way of maintaining a competitive roster. Kirk will be 30 when this season starts, 3 years from now is a long time in NFL years at that age.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
I will say that the team needs to decide this year if Sloter is going to be a potential starter or if his ceiling is clip board holder. If they dont think he is able to take over for Kirk in 3 years then they need to be targeting a QB early next draft IMO. We dont know how Kirk is going to be at the end of this deal, he will still be pretty close to what is considered prime for a QB and our roster may be looking completely different, he may want to leave to extend his viability window, or he may be demanding an even higher % of the cap and we would be better off moving on...either way I hope that the Rick isnt spending to much time relaxing on the position as it will come up again very soon. I think it takes 2 to 3 years of grooming before a QB is ready to take over a contending team so if its not Sloter... get somebody who is.
It's going to be very interesting to watch Sloter in the preseason this summer. I'm going to that first game in Denver. Should be some interesting story lines in that one with Keenum, Sloter, Siemian. This town is still fuming over the whole Sloter thing. But they think they have the next Joe Montana in Keenum.
I think what both Cousins and the Vikings want more than anything is for Cousins to become that unquestioned, long-term QB like Rivers, Flacco, Roethlisberger, who plays for 6 to 10 more years on the same team and becomes ingrained into the community.
But y'know, best laid plans all...
Then if that the case and we found our guy. I will be happy if they make him again the highest paid QB. Because the thing about that. He won't be the highest paid for long. That's the game now.
the problem is at that point of his career his game is more likely to start tailing off, he will lose mobility, he will be more prone to injury, etc... this resetting the market with each contract is not a sustainable way of maintaining a competitive roster. Kirk will be 30 when this season starts, 3 years from now is a long time in NFL years at that age.
Maybe, but 30 now days if you stay healthy you got 5 more good years. Maybe more. Health hasn't been a problem so far. As stated earlier 48 of 48 straight starts. When have we had that? I will take that. Hopefully for the next 48. That will be the end of his current contract. Could be a good problem.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
A pro team releasing all 3 of it's qb's for 1 new guy. I guess the reality of that is settling in for me with the passage of a little time.
PRetty crazy set of circumstances huh?
We'll soon see how this unfolds. Lots of story lines with 4 different teams at play.
Or this might become more common. I don't mean the weird events around Bridgewater/Bradford/Keenum, but teams might let starting QBs walk more frequently - because the goal of capitalizing on the low cost of a rookie 5-year contract at QB is appealing to many teams. Look at Baltimore, drafting Lamar Jackson: they are going to move on from Flacco pretty soon. Yes, Flacco is older and not as good as Cousins, but not long ago, a team with an established veteran in his early 30s who was at least decent (which Flacco is) would stick with him to his late 30s.
Also, can't help thinking how QB injury has driven the entire Viking QB scenario - not just Bridgewater and Bradford, but if RG3 hadn't been injured (repeatedly), would Cousins be an NFL starter?
A lot of coaches and GMs have bet the farm on a particular QB, but an injury destroys a season, and maybe their jobs. How long will the Colts wait for Andrew Luck to heal? I wonder if the QB position could become like RB has: more a commodity, seen as easily replaced every 4-5 years - rather than a marquee star paid more than any other 2 players, that teams try to keep for a decade or more. Wasn't Pat Shurmur's real genius that he built an offensive system that could produce without being dependent on one particular QB?
Teams that luck into a superstar QB like Brady will no doubt keep building around him. But how many of those are really in the league at any time - 3 or 4? Everyone else needs a different strategy other than drafting and redrafting QBs in hopes of eventually winning that lottery.
I survived the Bobby Lee, Gary Cuozzo and Norm Snead era...
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