WWE or Steelers vs Brownies?

Again, not defending Garrett, guy is a POS, just think Rudolph isn't entirely blameless

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Vanguard83" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: not going to defend the act,  but what led up to that point?  what got Garret so pissed off to begin with?  the replays I have found all start with the helmet getting swung but dont show the whole story.

See video above.  Garrett took Rudolph down with like 8 seconds left, Browns up by 14....BUT... Rudolph tries to rip GARRETTS helmet off in protest (1:46) ......CAN'T.....then Garret goes Ape $hit.

Everyone was talking about Garrett flinging the helmet, and rightfully so, but Rudolph was the one who tried to rip helmets off...Garrett just finished it.

...of course our buddy Joe Buck missed it

@"Vanguard83" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Vanguard83" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: did he even make contact with the helmet when he swung it?   I doubt MR would be so quick to be looking for a flag if he had gotten even a glancing blow from that wild swing.  that is scary shit right there.

Yeah, helmet hits Rudolph in the head.  Video above has a nice breakdown, if allowed to view here. (youtube)

But watch at 1:46 / 1:47...>RUDOLPH is the one who tries (unsuccessfully) to rip Garretts helmet off first

I saw that part of Rudolph starting the shit,  and then being dumb enough to go after garrett after he loses his helmet,  but I couldnt tell from that angle if he actually made contact with MR when he swung it,  like i said even a glancing blow would have likely had him stunned for a second and solid contact would have put any normal person on their ass.

At 2:15, 2:16 (Very end of the video above) you can see the helmet connect with Rudolph

The Dionte Johnson hit scared me.  getting ear-holed is frightening.

On a side note, this is what I've feared about the new VICIS helmet. (Johnson was wearing a Riddell Speed-Flex) The VICIS is a more flexible material that reflexes (like plastic car bumper).  When I looked at the VICIS I could practically squeeze both sides of the jaw-line to touch one another....I passed it to the next coach and said "No thanks"

Don't get at all the take that Rudolph instigated that kind of retaliation. Garrett pulled on his helmet by the face mask and dragged him by his head for a few yards, pulled it off and then smashed him over his unprotected head with it. Let's get real, don't blame Rudolph for this. Jesus.

@"Vanguard83" said: The Dionte Johnson hit scared me.  getting ear-holed is frightening.

On a side note, this is what I've feared about the new VICIS helmet. (Johnson was wearing a Riddell Speed-Flex) The VICIS is a more flexible material that reflexes (like plastic car bumper).  When I looked at the VICIS I could practically squeeze both sides of the jaw-line to touch one another....I passed it to the next coach and said "No thanks"

@"StickyBun" said: Don't get at all the take that Rudolph instigated that kind of retaliation. Garrett pulled on his helmet by the face mask and dragged him by his head for a few yards, pulled it off and then smashed him over his unprotected head with it. Let's get real, don't blame Rudolph for this. Jesus.

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Don't get at all the take that Rudolph instigated that kind of retaliation. Garrett pulled on his helmet by the face mask and dragged him by his head for a few yards, pulled it off and then smashed him over his unprotected head with it. Let's get real, don't blame Rudolph for this. Jesus.

Rudolph shares blame for helping instigate the fight.  He was grabbing and clawing at Garrett's helmet while Garrett was laying on him.  That is what precipitated Garrett grabbing Rudolph's helmet.  Now Rudolph had reason to be upset because of the extra oompf on the tackle.  But he was involved from the beginning.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Don't get at all the take that Rudolph instigated that kind of retaliation. Garrett pulled on his helmet by the face mask and dragged him by his head for a few yards, pulled it off and then smashed him over his unprotected head with it. Let's get real, don't blame Rudolph for this. Jesus.

Rudolph shares blame for helping instigate the fight.  He was grabbing and clawing at Garrett's helmet while Garrett was laying on him.  That is what precipitated Garrett grabbing Rudolph's helmet.  Now Rudolph had reason to be upset because of the extra oompf on the tackle.  But he was involved from the beginning.

Didn't say he wasn't. What I'm saying is he's not responsible for that KIND of retaliation. It was over-the-top stupid. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Don't get at all the take that Rudolph instigated that kind of retaliation. Garrett pulled on his helmet by the face mask and dragged him by his head for a few yards, pulled it off and then smashed him over his unprotected head with it. Let's get real, don't blame Rudolph for this. Jesus.

Rudolph shares blame for helping instigate the fight.  He was grabbing and clawing at Garrett's helmet while Garrett was laying on him.  That is what precipitated Garrett grabbing Rudolph's helmet.  Now Rudolph had reason to be upset because of the extra oompf on the tackle.  But he was involved from the beginning.

Didn't say he wasn't. What I'm saying is he's not responsible for that KIND of retaliation. It was over-the-top stupid. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Don't get at all the take that Rudolph instigated that kind of retaliation. Garrett pulled on his helmet by the face mask and dragged him by his head for a few yards, pulled it off and then smashed him over his unprotected head with it. Let's get real, don't blame Rudolph for this. Jesus.

Rudolph shares blame for helping instigate the fight.  He was grabbing and clawing at Garrett's helmet while Garrett was laying on him.  That is what precipitated Garrett grabbing Rudolph's helmet.  Now Rudolph had reason to be upset because of the extra oompf on the tackle.  But he was involved from the beginning.

Didn't say he wasn't. What I'm saying is he's not responsible for that KIND of retaliation. It was over-the-top stupid. 

and nobody at all has said or inferred that Rudolph deserved that type of retaliation,  its simply been pointed out that once again the poor steelers arent the choir boys that the media will try and make them out to be.  

I dont think Garrett knew that Rudolph had gotten rid of the ball and he was trying to take him down without drawing a flag and Rudolph was fighting him,  Rudolph gets pissy for getting taken down and things escalated from there,  Garrett took it over the top,  but I agree with the notion that Rudolph shouldnt go unrecognized or unpunished for his part of the incident.

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Don't get at all the take that Rudolph instigated that kind of retaliation. Garrett pulled on his helmet by the face mask and dragged him by his head for a few yards, pulled it off and then smashed him over his unprotected head with it. Let's get real, don't blame Rudolph for this. Jesus.

Rudolph shares blame for helping instigate the fight.  He was grabbing and clawing at Garrett's helmet while Garrett was laying on him.  That is what precipitated Garrett grabbing Rudolph's helmet.  Now Rudolph had reason to be upset because of the extra oompf on the tackle.  But he was involved from the beginning.

Didn't say he wasn't. What I'm saying is he's not responsible for that KIND of retaliation. It was over-the-top stupid. 

and nobody at all has said or inferred that Rudolph deserved that type of retaliation,  its simply been pointed out that once again the poor steelers arent the choir boys that the media will try and make them out to be.  

I dont think Garrett knew that Rudolph had gotten rid of the ball and he was trying to take him down without drawing a flag and Rudolph was fighting him,  Rudolph gets pissy for getting taken down and things escalated from there,  Garrett took it over the top,  but I agree with the notion that Rudolph shouldnt go unrecognized or unpunished for his part of the incident.

Rudolph didn't do anything warranting a punishment.  And it didn't seem that Garrett was trying to avoid a flag.  Probably was letting Rudolph know they had just whooped their ass and rubbing some salt in the wound. 

I get that you aren't a steeler fan, but Rudolph didn't take it to WWE level.  Yes, he got heated and yanked on Garretts helmet, but that happens quite often.  As for going after him, that was after being drug by his helmet and having it ripped off, so that doesn't really count.
I have seen many guys get heated when the tackler sez something or lays on them or gives them something extra.  Happens all the time.  So no, Rudolph wasn't the one that turned it into a shit show, that was Garrett who is developing a rep for this.

@"Vanguard83" said: ^^^^ agreed....Just hate that Rudolph's part in this is being overlooked.

@"Vanguard83" said:
^^^^ agreed....Just hate that Rudolph's part in this is being overlooked.

@"greediron" said:

I get that you aren't a steeler fan, but Rudolph didn't take it to WWE level.  Yes, he got heated and yanked on Garretts helmet, but that happens quite often.  As for going after him, that was after being drug by his helmet and having it ripped off, so that doesn't really count. I have seen many guys get heated when the tackler sez something or lays on them or gives them something extra.  Happens all the time.  So no, Rudolph wasn't the one that turned it into a shit show, that was Garrett who is developing a rep for this.

I say Rudolph deserves punishment because he alone started this shit, if he doesnt grab that helmet and start tugging,  it ends there.  you cant bring up specualtion of shit talking and if shit talking was an excuse for pulling at an opponents helmet then Johnny Randle would have been headless by his 3rd year in the league.  If the NFL wants to do the right thing... hit them all in accordance with their level of participation and instigator (from a physical standpoint) should carry a % of the blame.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001077016/article/mason-rudolph-will-be-fined-for-role-in-tnf-brawl

Mason Rudolph will be fined for role in TNF brawl

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• Published: Nov. 15, 2019 at 01:57 p.m.

Fined, yes. But they hand out numerous fines each week to several players on many teams. Rudolph no doubt deserves a fine, but he's not anywhere in the same zip code as Garrett. 

^^^  Agree 

The whole thing goes against the "unwritten rules" of football.....given the score, time remaining, and frustrations of Rudolph....Garrett doesn't need to PLANT Rudolph.  The Browns had MANY cheap shots last night.  So Garrett takes his shot, Rudolph tries to retaliate...and the whole thing blows up.

Kinda like that psycho coach who used to tell his defense to crash in, when the opposition would take a knee.  "Unwritten rules" are equally important as the ones in the book

@"Vanguard83" said: ^^^  Agree 

The whole thing goes against the "unwritten rules" of football.....given the score, time remaining, and frustrations of Rudolph....Garrett doesn't need to PLANT Rudolph.  The Browns had MANY cheap shots last night.  So Garrett takes his shot, Rudolph tries to retaliate...and the whole thing blows up.

Kinda like that psycho coach who used to tell his defense to crash in, when the opposition would take a knee.  "Unwritten rules" are equally important as the ones in the book

^^^ hard to tell as the video at full speed starts at the point he kinda twists Rudolph (16 seconds in) then the camera pans away to the sidelines. Looked to me like he was trying to spin him into the turf.