Wow. Never heard Zimmer gush like this....
I remember him saying back in the offseason that his D always had their hands full with a Kubiak offense. So glad that is coming to fruition here.
@"greediron" said: I remember him saying back in the offseason that his D always had their hands full with a Kubiak offense. So glad that is coming to fruition here.
And here's the thing: everyone knew how a Kubiak offense runs. They knew what was coming. And they still couldn't stop it. I think that's what Gary wants as a legacy: his scheme can't be stopped if run properly by any new innovative young minds. Its timeless. And if you have talented skill players, its even more devastating because it will fill in the minor cracks that appear occasionally. Stefanski will keep this going in the NFL.
@"StickyBun" said:@"greediron" said: I remember him saying back in the offseason that his D always had their hands full with a Kubiak offense. So glad that is coming to fruition here.
And here's the thing: everyone knew how a Kubiak offense runs. They knew what was coming. And they still couldn't stop it. I think that's what Gary wants as a legacy: his scheme can't be stopped if run properly by any new innovative young minds. Its timeless. And if you have talented skill players, its even more devastating because it will fill in the minor cracks that appear occasionally. Stefanski will keep this going in the NFL.
Who was that offensive line coach for so many years in denver? Gibbs I think? I recall reading how defenses hated playing them because of the cut blocks.
@"StickyBun" said:@"greediron" said: I remember him saying back in the offseason that his D always had their hands full with a Kubiak offense. So glad that is coming to fruition here.
And here's the thing: everyone knew how a Kubiak offense runs. They knew what was coming. And they still couldn't stop it. I think that's what Gary wants as a legacy: his scheme can't be stopped if run properly by any new innovative young minds. Its timeless. And if you have talented skill players, its even more devastating because it will fill in the minor cracks that appear occasionally. Stefanski will keep this going in the NFL.
Yep, that's the best thing about it. You can stop it here and there. But not for long and not consistently. There are no examples that I can remember of Kubiak-run teams that were not among the top running teams in the NFL. I mean, we've all heard the names---T Davis, A Foster, O Gary, M Anderson, R Droughns, J Forsett....defenses knew what they were getting in those guys too.We were extremely lucky to get Kubiak. He has no interest in taking on more responsibility due to his health, plus, his son is here, and so Stefanski becomes the next Koobs disciple. And even if he gets a gig elsewhere, we bring in another young mind and let the mentor do his work once again.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"greediron" said: I remember him saying back in the offseason that his D always had their hands full with a Kubiak offense. So glad that is coming to fruition here.
And here's the thing: everyone knew how a Kubiak offense runs. They knew what was coming. And they still couldn't stop it. I think that's what Gary wants as a legacy: his scheme can't be stopped if run properly by any new innovative young minds. Its timeless. And if you have talented skill players, its even more devastating because it will fill in the minor cracks that appear occasionally. Stefanski will keep this going in the NFL.
Yep, that's the best thing about it. You can stop it here and there. But not for long and not consistently. There are no examples that I can remember of Kubiak-run teams that were not among the top running teams in the NFL. I mean, we've all heard the names---T Davis, A Foster, O Gary, M Anderson, R Droughns, J Forsett....defenses knew what they were getting in those guys too.We were extremely lucky to get Kubiak. He has no interest in taking on more responsibility due to his health, plus, his son is here, and so Stefanski becomes the next Koobs disciple. And even if he gets a gig elsewhere, we bring in another young mind and let the mentor do his work once again.
You forgot the best one yet... Cook
So Dallas tried to stop the outside zone by having the ends penetrate against the tight ends. It worked at first. Kubiak and/or Stefanski recognized the strategy and sent the fullback out to help block the end and they were back in business. In game adjustments are priceless. But recognition, most likely, bu Kubiak up in the booth is the key.
The scheme is making this line better than they would otherwise be. And Dalvin is helping. And Cousins is capitalizing on the run game.
No wonder Zim is gushing.
@"A1Janitor" said: It starts with Dalvin Cook.It starts with the perfect marriage between Dalvin and Kubiak. When we drafted Dalvin, we knew he was ideally suited to a wide zone, but we weren't running one. We ran a sort of zone/gap hybrid at the time. I think it's clear we wanted to go in more of a zone direction when we drafted Brian O'Neal the next year. But the Kubiak--the wide zone guru becomes available, along with his OL coach? I don't think Vikings quite appreciate just how lucky that was.
Dalvin + Kubiak + Bradbury = Good things
@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"greediron" said: I remember him saying back in the offseason that his D always had their hands full with a Kubiak offense. So glad that is coming to fruition here.
And here's the thing: everyone knew how a Kubiak offense runs. They knew what was coming. And they still couldn't stop it. I think that's what Gary wants as a legacy: his scheme can't be stopped if run properly by any new innovative young minds. Its timeless. And if you have talented skill players, its even more devastating because it will fill in the minor cracks that appear occasionally. Stefanski will keep this going in the NFL.
Yep, that's the best thing about it. You can stop it here and there. But not for long and not consistently. There are no examples that I can remember of Kubiak-run teams that were not among the top running teams in the NFL. I mean, we've all heard the names---T Davis, A Foster, O Gary, M Anderson, R Droughns, J Forsett....defenses knew what they were getting in those guys too.We were extremely lucky to get Kubiak. He has no interest in taking on more responsibility due to his health, plus, his son is here, and so Stefanski becomes the next Koobs disciple. And even if he gets a gig elsewhere, we bring in another young mind and let the mentor do his work once again.
i think the only reason we have Gary Kubiak is because of Stefanski and his relationship with Klint K, if Stefanski takes off the only way I see Kubiak sticking around is if Klint is promoted to OC, which could easily happen with what ever team Stefanski were to take over, he would make KK his OC and GK his asst HC/what ever he wants to be called.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"greediron" said: I remember him saying back in the offseason that his D always had their hands full with a Kubiak offense. So glad that is coming to fruition here.
And here's the thing: everyone knew how a Kubiak offense runs. They knew what was coming. And they still couldn't stop it. I think that's what Gary wants as a legacy: his scheme can't be stopped if run properly by any new innovative young minds. Its timeless. And if you have talented skill players, its even more devastating because it will fill in the minor cracks that appear occasionally. Stefanski will keep this going in the NFL.
Yep, that's the best thing about it. You can stop it here and there. But not for long and not consistently. There are no examples that I can remember of Kubiak-run teams that were not among the top running teams in the NFL. I mean, we've all heard the names---T Davis, A Foster, O Gary, M Anderson, R Droughns, J Forsett....defenses knew what they were getting in those guys too.We were extremely lucky to get Kubiak. He has no interest in taking on more responsibility due to his health, plus, his son is here, and so Stefanski becomes the next Koobs disciple. And even if he gets a gig elsewhere, we bring in another young mind and let the mentor do his work once again.
i think the only reason we have Gary Kubiak is because of Stefanski and his relationship with Klint K, if Stefanski takes off the only way I see Kubiak sticking around is if Klint is promoted to OC, which could easily happen with what ever team Stefanski were to take over, he would make KK his OC and GK his asst HC/what ever he wants to be called.
Conspiracy theory here- Maybe Zim has heard the recent Stefanski head coach prospect buzz and is trying to frame it like Kubiak is the real genius, so that he can keep the band together for another season?
Yeah probably not.
But I've been saying for a month that Stefanski is probably gone after this season. I was told by many here that no, this time's different, everyone will stick around. I want that to be true but ehh... Unfortunately I think once again we'll be hiring a new OC this offseason.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"greediron" said: I remember him saying back in the offseason that his D always had their hands full with a Kubiak offense. So glad that is coming to fruition here.
And here's the thing: everyone knew how a Kubiak offense runs. They knew what was coming. And they still couldn't stop it. I think that's what Gary wants as a legacy: his scheme can't be stopped if run properly by any new innovative young minds. Its timeless. And if you have talented skill players, its even more devastating because it will fill in the minor cracks that appear occasionally. Stefanski will keep this going in the NFL.
Yep, that's the best thing about it. You can stop it here and there. But not for long and not consistently. There are no examples that I can remember of Kubiak-run teams that were not among the top running teams in the NFL. I mean, we've all heard the names---T Davis, A Foster, O Gary, M Anderson, R Droughns, J Forsett....defenses knew what they were getting in those guys too.We were extremely lucky to get Kubiak. He has no interest in taking on more responsibility due to his health, plus, his son is here, and so Stefanski becomes the next Koobs disciple. And even if he gets a gig elsewhere, we bring in another young mind and let the mentor do his work once again.
i think the only reason we have Gary Kubiak is because of Stefanski and his relationship with Klint K, if Stefanski takes off the only way I see Kubiak sticking around is if Klint is promoted to OC, which could easily happen with what ever team Stefanski were to take over, he would make KK his OC and GK his asst HC/what ever he wants to be called.
So the only reason we have Kubiak is because Zimmer denied Stef the interview with Shumur and the Giants. Just as Zimmer could deny KK and Dennison the interview.
@"pattersaur" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"greediron" said: I remember him saying back in the offseason that his D always had their hands full with a Kubiak offense. So glad that is coming to fruition here.
And here's the thing: everyone knew how a Kubiak offense runs. They knew what was coming. And they still couldn't stop it. I think that's what Gary wants as a legacy: his scheme can't be stopped if run properly by any new innovative young minds. Its timeless. And if you have talented skill players, its even more devastating because it will fill in the minor cracks that appear occasionally. Stefanski will keep this going in the NFL.
Yep, that's the best thing about it. You can stop it here and there. But not for long and not consistently. There are no examples that I can remember of Kubiak-run teams that were not among the top running teams in the NFL. I mean, we've all heard the names---T Davis, A Foster, O Gary, M Anderson, R Droughns, J Forsett....defenses knew what they were getting in those guys too.We were extremely lucky to get Kubiak. He has no interest in taking on more responsibility due to his health, plus, his son is here, and so Stefanski becomes the next Koobs disciple. And even if he gets a gig elsewhere, we bring in another young mind and let the mentor do his work once again.
i think the only reason we have Gary Kubiak is because of Stefanski and his relationship with Klint K, if Stefanski takes off the only way I see Kubiak sticking around is if Klint is promoted to OC, which could easily happen with what ever team Stefanski were to take over, he would make KK his OC and GK his asst HC/what ever he wants to be called.
Conspiracy theory here- Maybe Zim has heard the recent Stefanski head coach prospect buzz and is trying to frame it like Kubiak is the real genius, so that he can keep the band together for another season?
Yeah probably not.
But I've been saying for a month that Stefanski is probably gone after this season. I was told by many here that no, this time's different, everyone will stick around. I want that to be true but ehh... Unfortunately I think once again we'll be hiring a new OC this offseason.
i look at Zimmer and see a guy that doesnt have the temperment to be a lifer as a HC, i see him wanting to retire from the HC gig sooner than later and the Vikings would be wise to make sure Stef knows that its coming in a year or so and its his team when Zimmer is done. ( I think we need to hang onto Stef and the Kubiaks )
@"greediron" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"greediron" said: I remember him saying back in the offseason that his D always had their hands full with a Kubiak offense. So glad that is coming to fruition here.
And here's the thing: everyone knew how a Kubiak offense runs. They knew what was coming. And they still couldn't stop it. I think that's what Gary wants as a legacy: his scheme can't be stopped if run properly by any new innovative young minds. Its timeless. And if you have talented skill players, its even more devastating because it will fill in the minor cracks that appear occasionally. Stefanski will keep this going in the NFL.
Yep, that's the best thing about it. You can stop it here and there. But not for long and not consistently. There are no examples that I can remember of Kubiak-run teams that were not among the top running teams in the NFL. I mean, we've all heard the names---T Davis, A Foster, O Gary, M Anderson, R Droughns, J Forsett....defenses knew what they were getting in those guys too.We were extremely lucky to get Kubiak. He has no interest in taking on more responsibility due to his health, plus, his son is here, and so Stefanski becomes the next Koobs disciple. And even if he gets a gig elsewhere, we bring in another young mind and let the mentor do his work once again.
i think the only reason we have Gary Kubiak is because of Stefanski and his relationship with Klint K, if Stefanski takes off the only way I see Kubiak sticking around is if Klint is promoted to OC, which could easily happen with what ever team Stefanski were to take over, he would make KK his OC and GK his asst HC/what ever he wants to be called.
So the only reason we have Kubiak is because Zimmer denied Stef the interview with Shumur and the Giants. Just as Zimmer could deny KK and Dennison the interview.
only if they are under contract when the opportunity arises. with Zimmer and RS on a short rope deal, i doubt the asst coaches are locked in long term either. and if GK leaves, is there still value in KK or Dennison if the brains of the system are down the road?
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"greediron" said: I remember him saying back in the offseason that his D always had their hands full with a Kubiak offense. So glad that is coming to fruition here.
And here's the thing: everyone knew how a Kubiak offense runs. They knew what was coming. And they still couldn't stop it. I think that's what Gary wants as a legacy: his scheme can't be stopped if run properly by any new innovative young minds. Its timeless. And if you have talented skill players, its even more devastating because it will fill in the minor cracks that appear occasionally. Stefanski will keep this going in the NFL.
Yep, that's the best thing about it. You can stop it here and there. But not for long and not consistently. There are no examples that I can remember of Kubiak-run teams that were not among the top running teams in the NFL. I mean, we've all heard the names---T Davis, A Foster, O Gary, M Anderson, R Droughns, J Forsett....defenses knew what they were getting in those guys too.We were extremely lucky to get Kubiak. He has no interest in taking on more responsibility due to his health, plus, his son is here, and so Stefanski becomes the next Koobs disciple. And even if he gets a gig elsewhere, we bring in another young mind and let the mentor do his work once again.
i think the only reason we have Gary Kubiak is because of Stefanski and his relationship with Klint K, if Stefanski takes off the only way I see Kubiak sticking around is if Klint is promoted to OC, which could easily happen with what ever team Stefanski were to take over, he would make KK his OC and GK his asst HC/what ever he wants to be called.
The only reason we have Kubiak is because Elway and Fangio wouldn't allow him to keep his guys and so he walked. And the Vikings jumped. That's the biggest reason. The history his son already had with Stefanski was probably just icing. Yeah, I could easily see KK getting the OC if KS leaves.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"greediron" said: I remember him saying back in the offseason that his D always had their hands full with a Kubiak offense. So glad that is coming to fruition here.
And here's the thing: everyone knew how a Kubiak offense runs. They knew what was coming. And they still couldn't stop it. I think that's what Gary wants as a legacy: his scheme can't be stopped if run properly by any new innovative young minds. Its timeless. And if you have talented skill players, its even more devastating because it will fill in the minor cracks that appear occasionally. Stefanski will keep this going in the NFL.
Yep, that's the best thing about it. You can stop it here and there. But not for long and not consistently. There are no examples that I can remember of Kubiak-run teams that were not among the top running teams in the NFL. I mean, we've all heard the names---T Davis, A Foster, O Gary, M Anderson, R Droughns, J Forsett....defenses knew what they were getting in those guys too.We were extremely lucky to get Kubiak. He has no interest in taking on more responsibility due to his health, plus, his son is here, and so Stefanski becomes the next Koobs disciple. And even if he gets a gig elsewhere, we bring in another young mind and let the mentor do his work once again.
i think the only reason we have Gary Kubiak is because of Stefanski and his relationship with Klint K, if Stefanski takes off the only way I see Kubiak sticking around is if Klint is promoted to OC, which could easily happen with what ever team Stefanski were to take over, he would make KK his OC and GK his asst HC/what ever he wants to be called.
The only reason we have Kubiak is because Elway and Fangio wouldn't allow him to keep his guys and so he walked. And the Vikings jumped. That's the biggest reason. The history his son already had with Stefanski was probably just icing. Yeah, I could easily see KK getting the OC if KS leaves.
wasnt KK hired before GK came on board and I know that it was before Dennison signed as IIRC he was still with the jets?
@"JimmyinSD" said:Dunno, thought the two Kubiaks were a package deal. And I never did see that Dennison was actually hired. He may be just volunteering here.wasnt KK hired before GK came on board and I know that it was before Dennison signed as IIRC he was still with the jets?
@"greediron" said:its possible, i just remember that KK and Stef were friends some how prior to him coming here and that Stef viewed GK as a coaching mentor. I dont recall the exact timing of it for sure. I think Dennison joining was overshadowed by something else last winter.@"JimmyinSD" said:wasnt KK hired before GK came on board and I know that it was before Dennison signed as IIRC he was still with the jets? Dunno, thought the two Kubiaks were a package deal. And I never did see that Dennison was actually hired. He may be just volunteering here.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"greediron" said: I remember him saying back in the offseason that his D always had their hands full with a Kubiak offense. So glad that is coming to fruition here.
And here's the thing: everyone knew how a Kubiak offense runs. They knew what was coming. And they still couldn't stop it. I think that's what Gary wants as a legacy: his scheme can't be stopped if run properly by any new innovative young minds. Its timeless. And if you have talented skill players, its even more devastating because it will fill in the minor cracks that appear occasionally. Stefanski will keep this going in the NFL.
Yep, that's the best thing about it. You can stop it here and there. But not for long and not consistently. There are no examples that I can remember of Kubiak-run teams that were not among the top running teams in the NFL. I mean, we've all heard the names---T Davis, A Foster, O Gary, M Anderson, R Droughns, J Forsett....defenses knew what they were getting in those guys too.We were extremely lucky to get Kubiak. He has no interest in taking on more responsibility due to his health, plus, his son is here, and so Stefanski becomes the next Koobs disciple. And even if he gets a gig elsewhere, we bring in another young mind and let the mentor do his work once again.
i think the only reason we have Gary Kubiak is because of Stefanski and his relationship with Klint K, if Stefanski takes off the only way I see Kubiak sticking around is if Klint is promoted to OC, which could easily happen with what ever team Stefanski were to take over, he would make KK his OC and GK his asst HC/what ever he wants to be called.
The only reason we have Kubiak is because Elway and Fangio wouldn't allow him to keep his guys and so he walked. And the Vikings jumped. That's the biggest reason. The history his son already had with Stefanski was probably just icing. Yeah, I could easily see KK getting the OC if KS leaves.
wasnt KK hired before GK came on board and I know that it was before Dennison signed as IIRC he was still with the jets?
No, Klint came after the Vikings hired Gary. Dennison came after that. That was the situation (Kubiak's guys) that the Broncos balked at.
Getting Kubiak and the asst coaches he brought with him was the off season move that has had the greatest impact on this 2019 team.
Kubiak and Co's arrival has coincided with Cooks best year and Cousins improvement .
IMO Mattison was the guy Kubiak wanted. The draft day trade down through the 3rd round kind of backs that up.
Thru 10 games Cook has 203 rush attempts for 996 yards = 4.9 ypc
Mattison has 79 rush attempts for 389 yards = 4.9 ypc
Not hard to see why this team is 7-3 in 2019 vs. 5-4-1 in 2018
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