Is it time to consider moving Rhodes?
I'm not saying we should... but is it a question worth considering?
As fans, we probably don't give him enough credit for all the times when he DOES clamp down in coverage and enable our DL to get home. That's something the All-22 would show us... but we rarely get to see the coverage when the opposing QB gets sacked. So... maybe we're just over-reacting to the few times when he does allow his man to get open?
On the other hand: if he's getting worse (which it appears he is... even though his "bad" might still be better than 75% of the rest of the league), would it make sense to get something (a #1 pick?) for him now... before his value goes down any further? If Hill can stay clean (a BIG IF), we've got more than enough help in the secondary to maintain a high level of success. Plus, trading him would (probably?) give us quite a bit of cap relief for next season (OL upgrade?).
But if we did trade him... what would that do to the locker-room? I still think that letting B-Rob go had an effect on the team's psyche... so I wonder what would happen if such a prominent player was moved. If there was any danger of that happening (the team being negatively affected by trading Rhodes) I'd be against the idea (not that I get a vote). I'd rather take our chances with this season and see where it goes. Thoughts?
Rhodes is simply bad, and I fear he won't get better. Case went directly after him no matter who he was covering. I think he's going to lose the starting job to Hughes, and if they found a trading partner, I think he could be moved.
I think he's gotten too big and stiff. He looks like a safety.
Based on his contract and play over the last 24 games, we won't get a first...if a contender has a starting CB go down this weekend, we might be able to get a Day 2 pick...
The only thing Hughes lacks right now to take over the CB#1 spot is reps...I'm not sure if I'd replace Rhodes with Mac or Big Mike...
Getting Rhodes salary off the books makes it a lot easier to retain Waynes and Alexander...and maybe Kearse...that alone makes Rhodes expendable...
We get Holton Hill back this week too. I don't think we should trade Xavier during the season (chemistry/locker room shakeup) but after this year if someone offers a 3rd rounder I'd do it just for the cap savings.
After getting torched in Detroit, I was wrong to think he would respond against the Redskins by playing lights out.
No one is going to give squat fir him. I saw a stat somewhere that since the Falcons game, his receiver has caught something like 31 out of 38 times when he has had coverage.
I’m afraid they’re stuck with a bad contract now. I just hope they don’t keep putting him out there to try and justify it. And I am really worried about him playing against Mahomes and the Chiefs.
@"BarrNone55" said: Based on his contract and play over the last 24 games, we won't get a first...if a contender has a starting CB go down this weekend, we might be able to get a Day 2 pick...The only thing Hughes lacks right now to take over the CB#1 spot is reps...I'm not sure if I'd replace Rhodes with Mac or Big Mike...
Getting Rhodes salary off the books makes it a lot easier to retain Waynes and Alexander...and maybe Kearse...that alone makes Rhodes expendable...
I think day two is even a little pie in the sky. His age and contract work against him. Plus, I think we're better off with him on our team heading down the stretch and hopefully into the playoffs. Say you trade him, then Waynes gets dinged. Assuming Mack stays in the slot, then you head to the playoffs with who? Hughes and Hill as your starters outside?
Keep the team as strong as possible. You'd hate to miss out on what might have been our first Super Bowl just to dump a little salary and add a future pick.
One player on the trade market who intrigues me is Josh Gordon.
I had many of the same thoughts regarding Rhodes as I typed...Rhodes doesn't strike me as a great locker room guy with his histrionics, phantom injuries, and pouting...but, I believe he's been a captain before...so who knows...depth could become an issue any time you trade a starter, but it might be worth the risk to put better players, Hughes in particular, on the field...
@"BarrNone55" said: Based on his contract and play over the last 24 games, we won't get a first...if a contender has a starting CB go down this weekend, we might be able to get a Day 2 pick...The only thing Hughes lacks right now to take over the CB#1 spot is reps...I'm not sure if I'd replace Rhodes with Mac or Big Mike...
Getting Rhodes salary off the books makes it a lot easier to retain Waynes and Alexander...and maybe Kearse...that alone makes Rhodes expendable...
I would agree that his contract and poor play limit what you might get for him and with the deadline next week it's unlikely. Also Zim "loves his guys" even when they are no longer effective. And really a day 2 pick seems unlikely. If I were a g.m. and you tried to peddle XR to me with that contract and those issues I'd say you can have a 5th rounder. His career could be over as soon as this winter in reality.
If he was worth a day 2 pick, he would be worth keeping!
I think will stick with him and try to get him playing better. Whether that works or not remains to be seen.
theoretically the time to trade him was a year ago, but that wasnt very popular then and the cap hit would have been tough to manage, but strictly from a compensation by selling at the right time, before last year or at least before the trade deadline.
now you entertain trade offers but at the same time you start to be thinking about how to rework his deal and keep him around for veteran back up since he is well versed in the scheme. if he wont redo his deal you get what you can get or cut him outright after the season is over.
If Jalen Ramsey- who made it clear he wanted out of JAX and, therefore, took away *some* of their leverage- was worth 2 first round picks... I don't see how Rhodes is "only" worth a day 2 pick. He may not be at the same level as Ramsey, but he's been an All-Pro level player... and has none of the character issues.
Has been all pro. Ramsey is still on his rookie deal and playing light years better
Who's going to give up a lot for a guy that just got torched by a Rookie. It's not like anyone has been forecasting McLauren as the next Brown, Jones or Greene.
And this is after he got torched by a guy in Jones that is on exactly nobody's Top 10 WRs list.
Other teams watch our games. That's the job of every single FO in the League. They know he's fallen off a cliff. That's why they're targeting him so much.
Now, there's a sucker, or a genius, that will figure they can turn him around. Gilmore had a down season or two and is back to being one of the best again. But whomever that is won't be breaking the bank on a flyer.
Personally, I'd put Mac on the outside and Hughes in the slot. Mac was always an Outside CB at Clemson. I think his sheer talent has enabled him to adjust to the Slot. But his higher ceiling is Outside, IMO. Hughes is more versatile and wouldn't take as long to develop inside.
Sure looked like they both took turns on the Outside when Xavier went down. That might ultimately be the best bet as it allows Zimmer to do more things schematically.
@"pumpf" said: If Jalen Ramsey- who made it clear he wanted out of JAX and, therefore, took away *some* of their leverage- was worth 2 first round picks... I don't see how Rhodes is "only" worth a day 2 pick. He may not be at the same level as Ramsey, but he's been an All-Pro level player... and has none of the character issues.Ramsey's 25 years old, is probably the best corner in the NFL and gets paid a third what Rhodes does.
@"MaroonBells" said:For this season... Then someone is going to have to pay him a boatload of money.@"pumpf" said: If Jalen Ramsey- who made it clear he wanted out of JAX and, therefore, took away *some* of their leverage- was worth 2 first round picks... I don't see how Rhodes is "only" worth a day 2 pick. He may not be at the same level as Ramsey, but he's been an All-Pro level player... and has none of the character issues. Ramsey's 25 years old, is probably the best corner in the NFL and gets paid a third what Rhodes does.Rhodes is still young enough and on a team friendly deal for a top CB.
I think fans are shoveling dirt on his grave a little too quickly... but if we did trade him, we could still get a first round pick or an early Day 2 pick IMO.
I personally don't feel as if he has lost a step or is in a physical decline.
After reading into his comments (lol, right?) about the refs 'targeting 29,' I'm wondering if his strange off-coverage form of covering guys is all mental. It's like he decided he can't play his type of game without getting called and begun playing/developing around avoiding it. After getting smoked so far this season, he's getting mentally exhausted from getting called every time it seems he is in a WRs pocket in coverage...
Zimmer likes the physical play from CBs, but Zimmer also would prefer if defenders kept their man in front of them at all times. I think X is probably playing both angles of this. As his confidence drops with plays made against him, I think he's kinda falling back and just trying to keep it all in front of him. He'll drop back 5, 6 yards playing "to not get called" and receivers are smoking him out of their breaks.
I think rotating him around would be a better place to start. Get him off of the island and out of his own head out there, keep giving him reps so he can hopefully readjust his focus and get his confidence back.
@"Wetlander" said:@"MaroonBells" said:For this season... Then someone is going to have to pay him a boatload of money.@"pumpf" said: If Jalen Ramsey- who made it clear he wanted out of JAX and, therefore, took away *some* of their leverage- was worth 2 first round picks... I don't see how Rhodes is "only" worth a day 2 pick. He may not be at the same level as Ramsey, but he's been an All-Pro level player... and has none of the character issues. Ramsey's 25 years old, is probably the best corner in the NFL and gets paid a third what Rhodes does.Rhodes is still young enough and on a team friendly deal for a top CB.
I think fans are shoveling dirt on his grave a little too quickly... but if we did trade him, we could still get a first round pick or an early Day 2 pick IMO.
Its been a season and a half...I wouldn't consider 24 games of decline too quick...
@"Wetlander" said:@"MaroonBells" said:For this season... Then someone is going to have to pay him a boatload of money.@"pumpf" said: If Jalen Ramsey- who made it clear he wanted out of JAX and, therefore, took away *some* of their leverage- was worth 2 first round picks... I don't see how Rhodes is "only" worth a day 2 pick. He may not be at the same level as Ramsey, but he's been an All-Pro level player... and has none of the character issues. Ramsey's 25 years old, is probably the best corner in the NFL and gets paid a third what Rhodes does.Rhodes is still young enough and on a team friendly deal for a top CB.
I think fans are shoveling dirt on his grave a little too quickly... but if we did trade him, we could still get a first round pick or an early Day 2 pick IMO.
Wow, I don't see that at all. He has all three factors working against him: age, money and declining performance.As I said before I'm not at all for trading him. Pretty sure he's still a top half corner, if not top third. We're a better team with him. And honestly, I don't understand why anyone would want to make our team worse as we head down the stretch.
If we were 2-6, sure, but the Vikings are a team that should be looking to add pieces not dump salary.
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