Are we better with Wilson?

Spielman said it on the broadcast just before this play: 'I wouldn't be fooled by the play action on this'. They all knew it was going to be pass and the staff told them as much. So yep, I like how they played this but I think its more about the preparation by the defensive coaches than anything Wilson did in particular on this one play. 

I think Wilson is more rangy than Gedeon, but maybe Gedeon is just more consistent is my guess?

I'm thinking they both play.  Also, they both play on ST, so it's good to have Gedeon back again.  Wilson does play fast, and I like him on the blitzes.  He's earned his playing time, but Gedeon makes plays too.

2 very different styles one shows in the stats (Wilson) and the other does not.  Both have their rolls.

If I had to choose between Wilson and Gedeon, it would not be a close call.  It's Wilson (and I'm a Michigan guy). Gedeon is the old school type LBer: he's good against the run so long as the RB does not cut back.  He's really too slow for the modern NFL.  He should have played in the 60s and 70s.  I guess that's why Zimmer likes him. They even drafted his clone from  USC, Smith.  Another LBer whose ideal NFL days have long passed. 

@"StickyBun" said: Spielman said it on the broadcast just before this play: 'I wouldn't be fooled by the play action on this'. They all knew it was going to be pass and the staff told them as much. So yep, I like how they played this but I think its more about the preparation by the defensive coaches than anything Wilson did in particular on this one play. 

I think Wilson is more rangy than Gedeon, but maybe Gedeon is just more consistent is my guess?

Gedeon cannot play at all against the pass.  He cannot cover anyone and is not a good blitzer.  He should be an inside LBer in a 3-4 defense.  He has very little value in our defense.  This is a case of Zimmer being stubborn.  He probably does not make many mistakes because he does not get in on many plays.  He does not miss many tackles, but he does not get to many ball carriers either. As a 4th round pick for this defense, he is a compete waste. 
Any team that plays us should have a simple rule. If Gedeon is in the game, we are passing ... and we are passing to whomever he is covering. Every single time.

They both are really valuable on STs, and that's a big deal.

@"dadevike" said: Gedeon cannot play at all against the pass.  He cannot cover anyone and is not a good blitzer.  He should be an inside LBer in a 3-4 defense.  He has very little value in our defense.  This is a case of Zimmer being stubborn.  He probably does not make many mistakes because he does not get in on many plays.  He does not miss many tackles, but he does not get to many ball carriers either. As a 4th round pick for this defense, he is a compete waste.  Any team that plays us should have a simple rule. If Gedeon is in the game, we are passing ... and we are passing to whomever he is covering. Every single time.

I say... 
   

@"greediron" said:

@"dadevike" said: Gedeon cannot play at all against the pass.  He cannot cover anyone and is not a good blitzer.  He should be an inside LBer in a 3-4 defense.  He has very little value in our defense.  This is a case of Zimmer being stubborn.  He probably does not make many mistakes because he does not get in on many plays.  He does not miss many tackles, but he does not get to many ball carriers either. As a 4th round pick for this defense, he is a compete waste.  Any team that plays us should have a simple rule. If Gedeon is in the game, we are passing ... and we are passing to whomever he is covering. Every single time.

Or the case of Zimmer simply knowing more about his players than we do. 

@"dadevike" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"dadevike" said: Gedeon cannot play at all against the pass.  He cannot cover anyone and is not a good blitzer.  He should be an inside LBer in a 3-4 defense.  He has very little value in our defense.  This is a case of Zimmer being stubborn.  He probably does not make many mistakes because he does not get in on many plays.  He does not miss many tackles, but he does not get to many ball carriers either. As a 4th round pick for this defense, he is a compete waste.  Any team that plays us should have a simple rule. If Gedeon is in the game, we are passing ... and we are passing to whomever he is covering. Every single time.

Or the case of Zimmer simply knowing more about his players than we do. 

Sure, but he is far from infallible.  And Spielman knows more about college prospects than we do, and every OC and DC in the league knows more about NFL offenses and defenses than we do, and ... ad infinitum.  This is a prescription for never voicing an opinion contrary to any decision made by any coach or any official of any team.  In other words, we would all be nothing more than cheerleaders.

@"dadevike" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"dadevike" said: Gedeon cannot play at all against the pass.  He cannot cover anyone and is not a good blitzer.  He should be an inside LBer in a 3-4 defense.  He has very little value in our defense.  This is a case of Zimmer being stubborn.  He probably does not make many mistakes because he does not get in on many plays.  He does not miss many tackles, but he does not get to many ball carriers either. As a 4th round pick for this defense, he is a compete waste.  Any team that plays us should have a simple rule. If Gedeon is in the game, we are passing ... and we are passing to whomever he is covering. Every single time.

Or the case of Zimmer simply knowing more about his players than we do. 

Sure, but he is far from infallible.  And Spielman knows more about college prospects than we do, and every OC and DC in the league knows more about NFL offenses and defenses than we do, and ... ad infinitum.  This is a prescription for never voicing an opinion contrary to any decision made by any coach or any official of any team.  In other words, we would all be nothing more than cheerleaders.

@"greediron" said:

  

Or the case of Zimmer simply knowing more about his players than we do. 

Sure, but he is far from infallible.  And Spielman knows more about college prospects than we do, and every OC and DC in the league knows more about NFL offenses and defenses than we do, and ... ad infinitum.  This is a prescription for never voicing an opinion contrary to any decision made by any coach or any official of any team.  In other words, we would all be nothing more than cheerleaders.

or just my opinion that good NFL coaches don't do stupid things like start someone because he harkens back to the 60s.  Zimmer has admitted to making mistakes.  So he is not infallible.  But I doubt Gedeon is starting while Wilson is much better.

As others have pointed out: Wilson definitely flashes more... but perhaps part of that is due to him not doing his own job.  I've seen him be out of position on some running plays... but, to be honest, I don't even remember Gedeon making any tackles.  So... in Zim I trust.  (For now... which is how every Viking fan expresses confidence)

I think Gideon is a solid role players, but I think Wilson has the skills to be a star.  He has all the athletic ability and plays with a lot of fire.  Seems like a much better fit with Kendricks and Barr.  

Wilson has speed that Geodeon  doesn't.

@"Mattyman" said: Wilson has a pulse that Gedeon  doesn't.

I think when Wilson is in, we ask him to do more...he's much quicker... Better anticipation...