Adrian Peterson and Dalvin have 1 thing in common....

Big difference I see is that Dalvin doesn't get tackled for a loss very often.  I think Peterson was a better runner with his power, speed and vision, but Dalvin is a better player overall.  His quickness through the hole is what makes him so special. 

I think the similarities you see is in their vision. I think that's where the proximity thing comes from. Sometimes you have to run closer than you'd like to tackler A in order to have a chance at beating tackler B. I think both have/had exceptional vision when it comes to seeing those lanes before they actually materialize. One key difference though: Peterson was ideally suited to the power scheme we ran at the time and Cook is ideally suited for the ZBS we run now. I don't think either would do very well in the other's blocking scheme. 

@"greediron" said: Big difference I see is that Dalvin doesn't get tackled for a loss very often.  I think Peterson was a better runner with his power, speed and vision, but Dalvin is a better player overall.  His quickness through the hole is what makes him so special. 

Dalvin sees when a play is  a dog and just tries to get back to the LOS,  AD would dance around and try to make every play a homerun instead of taking what he could on the bad plays quite often just inviting more defenders to the 2-3 yard loss.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said: Big difference I see is that Dalvin doesn't get tackled for a loss very often.  I think Peterson was a better runner with his power, speed and vision, but Dalvin is a better player overall.  His quickness through the hole is what makes him so special. 

Dalvin sees when a play is  a dog and just tries to get back to the LOS,  AD would dance around and try to make every play a homerun instead of taking what he could on the bad plays quite often just inviting more defenders to the 2-3 yard loss.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said: Big difference I see is that Dalvin doesn't get tackled for a loss very often.  I think Peterson was a better runner with his power, speed and vision, but Dalvin is a better player overall.  His quickness through the hole is what makes him so special. 

Dalvin sees when a play is  a dog and just tries to get back to the LOS,  AD would dance around and try to make every play a homerun instead of taking what he could on the bad plays quite often just inviting more defenders to the 2-3 yard loss.

...and sometimes breaking it for 80. But then if you take away his long runs.... :-)

Yep, I get their differences. My point was just this one quality which I feel is a little unique to them and part of what makes them great.

I've read many times it takes players 2 years to recover from knee surgery.

Sure seems like cook is just a bit healthier this year.  Maybe it's coincidence?

I get cook needs to stay healthy and yesterday was his 20th game, but at what point as a fan do ya kind of say "that guy is legit?

Personally I've seen enough. I think he's a special player. 

AP was a more violent runner - it seems to me Cook is slightly faster when he hits second gear. 

But he does remind me of AP a lot. 

@"greediron" said: Big difference I see is that Dalvin doesn't get tackled for a loss very often.  I think Peterson was a better runner with his power, speed and vision, but Dalvin is a better player overall.  His quickness through the hole is what makes him so special. 

It is hard to say that. Peterson is the best pure runner I will ever witness. Cook is still coming into he own. Cook is a good all around back but Peterson is far superior IMO

Far superior?

Oh fuck no. 

@"Canthony" said:

@"greediron" said: Big difference I see is that Dalvin doesn't get tackled for a loss very often.  I think Peterson was a better runner with his power, speed and vision, but Dalvin is a better player overall.  His quickness through the hole is what makes him so special. 

It is hard to say that. Peterson is the best pure runner I will ever witness. Cook is still coming into he own. Cook is a good all around back but Peterson is far superior IMO

@"greediron" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"greediron" said: Big difference I see is that Dalvin doesn't get tackled for a loss very often.  I think Peterson was a better runner with his power, speed and vision, but Dalvin is a better player overall.  His quickness through the hole is what makes him so special. 

It is hard to say that. Peterson is the best pure runner I will ever witness. Cook is still coming into he own. Cook is a good all around back but Peterson is far superior IMO

as a pure runner yes.  But as I pointed out, Dalvin makes better decisions.  (shocking, I know).  And he accelerates quicker, which is impressive.  Plus he is a better receiver and in pass pro.  But yes, Peterson was unmatched as a pure RB.

@"Ilovebigtd's" said: lol ill take a prime AP over dalvin. loveeeee cook but AP is a once in a generation athlete and runner.

That isn't what I said at all or was it ever my point. Unless you are talking to someone else.

@"Ilovebigtd's" said: lol ill take a prime AP over dalvin. loveeeee cook but AP is a once in a generation athlete and runner.

If Cook turns into a LT, Faulk type consistent player.  He will be far more then Adrian.  Adrian is a throw back runner that always had a chance of a home run when given the ball on a hand off.  Cook is much more dangerous how ever you get him the ball, and is not a liability in the passing game.  

Yes Adrian was a once in a life time talent running

Cook is close to that in overall game.

Thanks for posting Sticky, I'll watch for this from Dalvin in upcoming games.
On "any given Sunday" Dalvin can absolutely be better than AD, BUT there are lots of TV shows capable of having a great episode. But the all-time great shows do it week after week, season after season.

We're incredibly lucky to have Dalvin, he's amazing and electric. But AD is in best-ever conversation.
EDIT- I realize Sticky wasn't making a comparison, it just seemed like others might be so I wanted to chime in on that. I'm just happy we've had both players. Our offense without either guy, at the time they played for us, would be much, much worse.

@"pattersaur" said:

Thanks for posting Sticky, I'll watch for this from Dalvin in upcoming games. On "any given Sunday" Dalvin can absolutely be better than AD, BUT there are lots of TV shows capable of having a great episode. But the all-time great shows do it week after week, season after season.

We're incredibly lucky to have Dalvin, he's amazing and electric. But AD is in best-ever conversation.
EDIT- I realize Sticky wasn't making a comparison, it just seemed like others might be so I wanted to chime in on that. I'm just happy we've had both players. Our offense without either guy, at the time they played for us, would be much, much worse.

Yep, thanks Patter. I feel like I need to keep posting I was not comparing the two as to whom is better, lol. 

Here's the other thing: he's a better runner in the NFL than in college. Check out one of his highlight videos from FSU. He reminds you of Percy Harvin. Stiffer. Less shifty. Now look at his highlights just from games this season: shifty, quicker feet, better balance. Not at all to me very Harvin-esque as much. 

@"mjollnir_k" said:

@"Ilovebigtd's" said: lol ill take a prime AP over dalvin. loveeeee cook but AP is a once in a generation athlete and runner.

If Cook turns into a LT, Faulk type consistent player.  He will be far more then Adrian.  Adrian is a throw back runner that always had a chance of a home run when given the ball on a hand off.  Cook is much more dangerous how ever you get him the ball, and is not a liability in the passing game.  

Yes Adrian was a once in a life time talent running

Cook is close to that in overall game.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

Thanks for posting Sticky, I'll watch for this from Dalvin in upcoming games. On "any given Sunday" Dalvin can absolutely be better than AD, BUT there are lots of TV shows capable of having a great episode. But the all-time great shows do it week after week, season after season.

We're incredibly lucky to have Dalvin, he's amazing and electric. But AD is in best-ever conversation.
EDIT- I realize Sticky wasn't making a comparison, it just seemed like others might be so I wanted to chime in on that. I'm just happy we've had both players. Our offense without either guy, at the time they played for us, would be much, much worse.

Yep, thanks Patter. I feel like I need to keep posting I was not comparing the two as to whom is better, lol. 

@"greediron" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"greediron" said: Big difference I see is that Dalvin doesn't get tackled for a loss very often.  I think Peterson was a better runner with his power, speed and vision, but Dalvin is a better player overall.  His quickness through the hole is what makes him so special. 

It is hard to say that. Peterson is the best pure runner I will ever witness. Cook is still coming into he own. Cook is a good all around back but Peterson is far superior IMO

as a pure runner yes.  But as I pointed out, Dalvin makes better decisions.  (shocking, I know).  And he accelerates quicker, which is impressive.  Plus he is a better receiver and in pass pro.  But yes, Peterson was unmatched as a pure RB.