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Now, his "under pressure" percentage is very high as well, but if you're not getting rid of the ball on time, you're eventually going to be under pressure. 

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#1 · Sep 30, 1:55 PM
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hes had a pocket last 3 seconds?

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#2 · Sep 30, 2:01 PM
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The rep on him when he left Washington was he was scared to pull the trigger in big games. Take that for what you will. 

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of course we have heard similar stats for the last 5 years or so that always put the protection failures on the QB and not on the OL.   I am not sure how those stats are figured or how accurate they are,  but between play calling and protection,  its damn hard to convince me that the QB is nearly always the reason our QBs tend to get piss pounded.

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@"JimmyinSD" said: hes had a pocket last 3 seconds?
No QB in the NFL is holding the ball as long as Cousins at an average of 3.06s.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw

The fastest sack against Cousins was Mack at 2.9s (I'm guessing this was the strip sack at the start of the 3rd).

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/game-center

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@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/MattAndersonNFL/status/1178749153041625088?s=20

Now, his "under pressure" percentage is very high as well, but if you're not getting rid of the ball on time, you're eventually going to be under pressure. 


he is holding the ball and not trusting the offense.  Many of the sacks yesterday were on him as he didn't throw the quick pass.  Hard to tell if it was open, but against that D, on a 3 step drop, you gotta cut it loose.  Instead he held and got hit.

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even our HS boys we put that "clock" in their head....1, 2, 3 (Ball out, run, or chuck it OB)

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@"greediron" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/MattAndersonNFL/status/1178749153041625088?s=20

Now, his "under pressure" percentage is very high as well, but if you're not getting rid of the ball on time, you're eventually going to be under pressure. 


he is holding the ball and not trusting the offense.  Many of the sacks yesterday were on him as he didn't throw the quick pass.  Hard to tell if it was open, but against that D, on a 3 step drop, you gotta cut it loose.  Instead he held and got hit.


if the play called for a 3 step drop,  i wasnt really counting drop steps,  but i have seen quite a few post questioning the plays that him dropping 5-7 steps,  those extra steps add a second to the play, but dont really add anytime for him to get the ball out since the defense is coming faster than he is backing up... and he still needs room to step back into any throw.  they might as well bench him since he cant seem to trust his line or the play calling right now.

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Those stats are useless unless you see if receivers were open.
Why is the play design for him to hold it so long.
Even Zimmer said today, incredible, that maybe he was getting rid of it too soon.

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#Vikings coach Mike Zimmer on Kirk Cousins: “He completed a lot of balls. I think there were times when he might have gotten rid of it a bit too soon. But when you’re getting pounded a few times sometimes you got to take the quick throw.’’

Zimmer wanted Cousins to hold it longer behind that line yesterday.  Wow!

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Watching the highlight of "all 6 sacks by the bears."

  1. 2nd and 6.  Cousins takes a 3 step drop and pumps.  This is where Elf got destroyed by the swim.  Cousins retreats to lose more yards.  Looks like they were going for a double move to AT but pressure up the middle destroyed this play.
  2.  1st and 10.  Mack dips under Reiff and forces the fumble.  5 step drop and Cousins didn't have a chance.  So 1st two sacks are on the O-Line.
  3.  3rd & 8.  Shotgun.  Mack splits the double team, Reiff tries holding and he still gets the sack.  But Cousins had clear lanes at the top of his drop, can't see WRs other than Bisi who is cutting across 6 yards short of the 1st down.  3 LBs are on him, rudolph is blocking, cook is looking to help.  AT and Diggs are beyond the 1st down, but can't see if they are open.  Cousins had plenty of room to move forward and to the right.
  4.  2nd & 10, shotgun.  Hesitates and pats the ball before trying to get it to Cook.  Dozier's guy levels cousins.  He had time.  Theilen and diggs both ran curls.  They were wide open on initially if they would have been looking.
  5. 2nd & 16, shotgun again.  Cook whiffs on the blitzing LB and Cousins fumbles it away but O'Neill recovers.  Lots of open guys, but Cousins didn't have a chance with the LB there so fast.
  6. 2nd & 12.  shotgun.  Cook is driven back into Cousins and he tries to spin away
So looking at the sacks, much of it was on the protection.  He was hit plenty of other times, but I don't have access to those.  So some of those may have been the quick hitters that he didn't take.  But Jimmy, I will concede the point.  Our O-Line got roughed up pretty good.

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@"MarkSP18" said:
Those stats are useless unless you see if receivers were open. Why is the play design for him to hold it so long. Even Zimmer said today, incredible, that maybe he was getting rid of it too soon.
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#Vikings coach Mike Zimmer on Kirk Cousins: “He completed a lot of balls. I think there were times when he might have gotten rid of it a bit too soon. But when you’re getting pounded a few times sometimes you got to take the quick throw.’’

Zimmer wanted Cousins to hold it longer behind that line yesterday.  Wow!




if you look at context, "there were times".  And other times you got to take the quick throw. 

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https://www.skornorth.com/vikings-2/2019/09/bears-show-scheme-change-cant-shield-cousins-from-pressure/
Cousins has been one of the most pressured QBs in the NFL and heading
into Week 4 the Vikings’ veteran QB was holding the ball longer from
snap to release than any other player in the league.

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Stats like this are so misleading.  What was the call, were receivers open etc.  Not a big Cousins fan but it is easy to skew stats in one direction or the other.

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The alarming stat for me is 0-2 in the division already. They should just say 'f$%^ it', let's just release the hounds and see what happens. They are at a crossroads. Just let it go and rip it up. Offense, defense lets just put some new shit out that hasn't been seen on video yet. 

Let 'em hunt. Z needs to understand that's the only possible way to go now/

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@"StickyBun" said: The alarming stat for me is 0-2 in the division already. They should just say 'f$%^ it', let's just release the hounds and see what happens. They are at a crossroads. Just let it go and rip it up. Offense, defense lets just put some new shit out that hasn't been seen on video yet. 

Let 'em hunt. Z needs to understand that's the only possible way to go now/


there should be a GM in his ear saying that if it doesnt open up they are both out of a job, its up to Zim to decide how soon.

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@"greediron" said:
Watching the highlight of "all 6 sacks by the bears."
  1. 2nd and 6.  Cousins takes a 3 step drop and pumps.  This is where Elf got destroyed by the swim.  Cousins retreats to lose more yards.  Looks like they were going for a double move to AT but pressure up the middle destroyed this play.
  2.  1st and 10.  Mack dips under Reiff and forces the fumble.  5 step drop and Cousins didn't have a chance.  So 1st two sacks are on the O-Line.
  3.  3rd & 8.  Shotgun.  Mack splits the double team, Reiff tries holding and he still gets the sack.  But Cousins had clear lanes at the top of his drop, can't see WRs other than Bisi who is cutting across 6 yards short of the 1st down.  3 LBs are on him, rudolph is blocking, cook is looking to help.  AT and Diggs are beyond the 1st down, but can't see if they are open.  Cousins had plenty of room to move forward and to the right.
  4.  2nd & 10, shotgun.  Hesitates and pats the ball before trying to get it to Cook.  Dozier's guy levels cousins.  He had time.  Theilen and diggs both ran curls.  They were wide open on initially if they would have been looking.
  5. 2nd & 16, shotgun again.  Cook whiffs on the blitzing LB and Cousins fumbles it away but O'Neill recovers.  Lots of open guys, but Cousins didn't have a chance with the LB there so fast.
  6. 2nd & 12.  shotgun.  Cook is driven back into Cousins and he tries to spin away
So looking at the sacks, much of it was on the protection.  He was hit plenty of other times, but I don't have access to those.  So some of those may have been the quick hitters that he didn't take.  But Jimmy, I will concede the point.  Our O-Line got roughed up pretty good.



thank you,  cuz i really didnt want to have to watch that thing again and take notes...honestly it wouldnt have been worth the internet points. ;)

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