How valuable is WR3 in a Kubiak offense?

This was a REALLY great read!  Thanks for sharing it!
The thing that I keep wondering about... is how much of Kubiak will be part of our scheme... and how much of it will be Stefanski?  I thought I read something previously that put it (around) 70% Kubiak and 30% Stefanski.  I thought that seemed a little weird, since Stefanski is the OC.  
I guess another way to put it... is this: is this really going to be a "Kubiak" offense... or are we just installing parts/concepts... but- in reality- it will be somewhat different?  I guess we won't know for another couple of months. 
I would guess that the primary change would be in how much play action we use... which- I assume- will increase quite a bit. 

As for the article itself, some things jumped out at me:
1. That Kubiak runs to set up the pass... and (usually) passes more than he runs.
2. That Kubiak's offense is- pretty much- predicated on having 2 top flight WRs... and doesn't require a stud at the #3WR position.  Hmmm....
3.  The author's prediction about Denver's #3 WR (in 2016) came true.  The top 2 WRs caught the majority of the balls (169 of of 339 completions)... with the next highest receiver catching 31.  

In other words, the pattern held true: that Kubiak's offense revolved around a running game... and their top 2 receivers.  The TE position was limited (in terms of pass catching); Virgil Green was 4th in receptions... but only had 22 for the entire season.  

One thing that I think will DEFINITELY change from previous Kubiak seasons... is that our RBs will catch more balls than Denver's did in 2016.  That year, CJ Anderson averaged 1 catch per game.

The Mattison selection makes a ton of sense in Kubiak's offense. The RBs are the stars. Mattison is a change up from Cook and has good hands. Getting David Morgan back will be a nice help too. 

@"StickyBun" said: The Mattison selection makes a ton of sense in Kubiak's offense. The RBs are the stars. Mattison is a change up from Cook and has good hands. Getting David Morgan back will be a nice help too. 

#2 behind Cook might be one of the biggest, most important questions going into TC...

This whole offense and it's ZBS is set-up for Dalvin to have an All Pro year, but he's gotta stay healthy. 

Hate to keep beating this point but is it Kubiak's offense or his design or just what??? Is he even going to be there game day? I'm never been sure what his roll will be when the bullets start flying. 
Stefanski is calling plays in game,  right??  So he'll be calling Kubiak's plays when he thinks they fit. Is that the plan?  So it's Kubiak's offense driven by Kevin. I only keep saying this because Kevin has been a very loyal team guy. He was refused to be allowed interviews elsewhere. So then he gets his shot. He accepted the open OC job here. Only to find out he's got another new boss after he accepted. Or so it seems. Finally gets his shot and it's not even called "his" offense. Good thing he is a loyal team guy. A lesser man might habor resentment. I know I know... I'm just saying though. Just don't give me this. Well he says there's no problem and it's a great working relationship...ect..blah blah. I wouldn't expect a loyal guy like Kevin to say anything less.

@"suncoastvike" said: Hate to keep beating this point but is it Kubiak's offense or his design or just what??? Is he even going to be there game day? I'm never been sure what his roll will be when the bullets start flying.  Stefanski is calling plays in game,  right??  So he'll be calling Kubiak's plays when he thinks they fit. Is that the plan?  So it's Kubiak's offense driven by Kevin. I only keep saying this because Kevin has been a very loyal team guy. He was refused to be allowed interviews elsewhere. So then he gets his shot. He accepted the open OC job here. Only to find out he's got another new boss after he accepted. Or so it seems. Finally gets his shot and it's not even called "his" offense. Good thing he is a loyal team guy. A lesser man might habor resentment. I know I know... I'm just saying though. Just don't give me this. Well he says there's no problem and it's a great working relationship...ect..blah blah. I wouldn't expect a loyal guy like Kevin to say anything less.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Hate to keep beating this point but is it Kubiak's offense or his design or just what??? Is he even going to be there game day? I'm never been sure what his roll will be when the bullets start flying.  Stefanski is calling plays in game,  right??  So he'll be calling Kubiak's plays when he thinks they fit. Is that the plan?  So it's Kubiak's offense driven by Kevin. I only keep saying this because Kevin has been a very loyal team guy. He was refused to be allowed interviews elsewhere. So then he gets his shot. He accepted the open OC job here. Only to find out he's got another new boss after he accepted. Or so it seems. Finally gets his shot and it's not even called "his" offense. Good thing he is a loyal team guy. A lesser man might habor resentment. I know I know... I'm just saying though. Just don't give me this. Well he says there's no problem and it's a great working relationship...ect..blah blah. I wouldn't expect a loyal guy like Kevin to say anything less.

I think it was likley Stefanskis call to bring in Kubiak to work with him.   Kubiak is like a position coach from the sounds of it.   He will work with the players at practice,  he will have the OCs ear,  but it will be KS running the team meetings,   developing the game plans (surely with Kubiaks assistance) and KS calling plays on game day.  everybody needs to relax a bit on who does what,  Kubiak isnt the first former HC to come back to the game in a reduced role.

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Hate to keep beating this point but is it Kubiak's offense or his design or just what??? Is he even going to be there game day? I'm never been sure what his roll will be when the bullets start flying.  Stefanski is calling plays in game,  right??  So he'll be calling Kubiak's plays when he thinks they fit. Is that the plan?  So it's Kubiak's offense driven by Kevin. I only keep saying this because Kevin has been a very loyal team guy. He was refused to be allowed interviews elsewhere. So then he gets his shot. He accepted the open OC job here. Only to find out he's got another new boss after he accepted. Or so it seems. Finally gets his shot and it's not even called "his" offense. Good thing he is a loyal team guy. A lesser man might habor resentment. I know I know... I'm just saying though. Just don't give me this. Well he says there's no problem and it's a great working relationship...ect..blah blah. I wouldn't expect a loyal guy like Kevin to say anything less.

I think it was likley Stefanskis call to bring in Kubiak to work with him.   Kubiak is like a position coach from the sounds of it.   He will work with the players at practice,  he will have the OCs ear,  but it will be KS running the team meetings,   developing the game plans (surely with Kubiaks assistance) and KS calling plays on game day.  everybody needs to relax a bit on who does what,  Kubiak isnt the first former HC to come back to the game in a reduced role.

I know he's not the 1st. I don't remember others getting it called theirs. For a part time job.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Hate to keep beating this point but is it Kubiak's offense or his design or just what??? Is he even going to be there game day? I'm never been sure what his roll will be when the bullets start flying.  Stefanski is calling plays in game,  right??  So he'll be calling Kubiak's plays when he thinks they fit. Is that the plan?  So it's Kubiak's offense driven by Kevin. I only keep saying this because Kevin has been a very loyal team guy. He was refused to be allowed interviews elsewhere. So then he gets his shot. He accepted the open OC job here. Only to find out he's got another new boss after he accepted. Or so it seems. Finally gets his shot and it's not even called "his" offense. Good thing he is a loyal team guy. A lesser man might habor resentment. I know I know... I'm just saying though. Just don't give me this. Well he says there's no problem and it's a great working relationship...ect..blah blah. I wouldn't expect a loyal guy like Kevin to say anything less.

I think it was likley Stefanskis call to bring in Kubiak to work with him.   Kubiak is like a position coach from the sounds of it.   He will work with the players at practice,  he will have the OCs ear,  but it will be KS running the team meetings,   developing the game plans (surely with Kubiaks assistance) and KS calling plays on game day.  everybody needs to relax a bit on who does what,  Kubiak isnt the first former HC to come back to the game in a reduced role.

I know he's not the 1st. I don't remember others getting it called theirs. For a part time job.

I agree,  IMO its the minny sports media that are doing their best to create a story by constantly pushing the Kubiaks offense angle.   I think Stefanski seems grounded enough though to not really give a shit at this point,  he knows that if it fails it will be his failure and not Kubiaks so he is likely happy to let GK deal with the distractions while he gets to make the baby.

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Hate to keep beating this point but is it Kubiak's offense or his design or just what??? Is he even going to be there game day? I'm never been sure what his roll will be when the bullets start flying.  Stefanski is calling plays in game,  right??  So he'll be calling Kubiak's plays when he thinks they fit. Is that the plan?  So it's Kubiak's offense driven by Kevin. I only keep saying this because Kevin has been a very loyal team guy. He was refused to be allowed interviews elsewhere. So then he gets his shot. He accepted the open OC job here. Only to find out he's got another new boss after he accepted. Or so it seems. Finally gets his shot and it's not even called "his" offense. Good thing he is a loyal team guy. A lesser man might habor resentment. I know I know... I'm just saying though. Just don't give me this. Well he says there's no problem and it's a great working relationship...ect..blah blah. I wouldn't expect a loyal guy like Kevin to say anything less.

I think it was likley Stefanskis call to bring in Kubiak to work with him.   Kubiak is like a position coach from the sounds of it.   He will work with the players at practice,  he will have the OCs ear,  but it will be KS running the team meetings,   developing the game plans (surely with Kubiaks assistance) and KS calling plays on game day.  everybody needs to relax a bit on who does what,  Kubiak isnt the first former HC to come back to the game in a reduced role.

I know he's not the 1st. I don't remember others getting it called theirs. For a part time job.

I agree,  IMO its the minny sports media that are doing their best to create a story by constantly pushing the Kubiaks offense angle.   I think Stefanski seems grounded enough though to not really give a shit at this point,  he knows that if it fails it will be his failure and not Kubiaks so he is likely happy to let GK deal with the distractions while he gets to make the baby.

Kevin's got the right demeanor for it. I'm just saying what ifs. I guess my only worry is that Kevin is not as on board with it as seems. I would hate for this to work only to have Kevin leave after this year for a OC/Asst HC type position. Then what we got? An old coach with questionable health that only wants to work PT. 
Don't mind me. I only like to worry.

@"pumpf" said: This was a REALLY great read!  Thanks for sharing it! The thing that I keep wondering about... is how much of Kubiak will be part of our scheme... and how much of it will be Stefanski?  I thought I read something previously that put it (around) 70% Kubiak and 30% Stefanski.  I thought that seemed a little weird, since Stefanski is the OC.   I guess another way to put it... is this: is this really going to be a "Kubiak" offense... or are we just installing parts/concepts... but- in reality- it will be somewhat different?  I guess we won't know for another couple of months.  I would guess that the primary change would be in how much play action we use... which- I assume- will increase quite a bit. 

Ok Ok I'll stop. Jeez... I sometimes sound like I've got some serious abandonment issues. Years of being left at the altar is my excuse.

I think the whole Kubiak-Stefanski thing is overblown.  I just think we and the media are in limbo as
to what a Stefanski offense looks like as he’s a first time OC and Kubiak has a
long track record.  Also, I can’t imagine
they would bring Kubiak in to help with a completely foreign offense, so his
ideas are probably going to contribute heavily to the plan, but I think that
goes without saying.

I'm sure that over the years Kevin has been putting together a scheme that he believes will lead to a successful Offense while he bided his time waiting for a promotion to OC.

He's seen the KAO. Norv's Air Coryell. Shurmer's Misdirection and Horseshoe. And D-Flop's whatever the hell that shit show was scheme.

Oh, and one of his closest friends happens to be the son of a guy with his own scheme.

So he finally gets his chance and the 1st thing he does is get his buddy Klint AND his dad to come on board.

To me this shows that out of all the flavors of Offense he's seen over the he years, both in Minnesota and around the League, it's the Kubiak run-first, ZBS, Two TE sets and heavy play action that he thinks works best for the personnel he inherited.

I see a young OC wanting to maximize his chance for a successful promotion by not only using a system he trusts but also bringing in that system's guru to help him make sure he gets it right.

If Kevin had no connection to Klint or Gary and Zimmer hired them and forced them on him we'd be looking at the Too Many Chefs scenario a lot of fans seem to think is happening.

But I think the opposite happened. Kevin saw an opportunity to hook up with his buddy Klint, nab his buddy's dad plus an O-Line guru and sold Mike and Rick on it.

Oh, and did I mention that Kirk's old OC was also a disciple of that same scheme?

This is Kevin's show. His scheme will be heavy on Kubiak principles but will have his own wrinkles he's developed over the years waiting for this opportunity. And Mike gets an ex-HC to bounce ideas off of ala Tony & Pat.

Frankly, it's an ideal situation. The young guys get space to show their stuff with support as needed from the old guys.

@"FSUVike" said: I'm sure that over the years Kevin has been putting together a scheme that he believes will lead to a successful Offense while he bided his time waiting for a promotion to OC.

He's seen the KAO. Norv's Air Coryell. Shurmer's Misdirection and Horseshoe. And D-Flop's whatever the hell that shit show was scheme.

Oh, and one of his closest friends happens to be the son of a guy with his own scheme.

So he finally gets his chance and the 1st thing he does is get his buddy Klint AND his dad to come on board.

To me this shows that out of all the flavors of Offense he's seen over the he years, both in Minnesota and around the League, it's the Kubiak run-first, ZBS, Two TE sets and heavy play action that he thinks works best for the personnel he inherited.

I see a young OC wanting to maximize his chance for a successful promotion by not only using a system he trusts but also bringing in that system's guru to help him make sure he gets it right.

If Kevin had no connection to Klint or Gary and Zimmer hired them and forced them on him we'd be looking at the Too Many Chefs scenario a lot of fans seem to think is happening.

But I think the opposite happened. Kevin saw an opportunity to hook up with his buddy Klint, nab his buddy's dad plus an O-Line guru and sold Mike and Rick on it.

Oh, and did I mention that Kirk's old OC was also a disciple of that same scheme?

This is Kevin's show. His scheme will be heavy on Kubiak principles but will have his own wrinkles he's developed over the years waiting for this opportunity. And Mike gets an ex-HC to bounce ideas off of ala Tony & Pat.

Frankly, it's an ideal situation. The young guys get space to show their stuff with support as needed from the old guys.

It really was a godsend that was the perfect solution to our biggest problem. And the fact that Kubiak is not interested in full time work and comes with his own OL coach, fit like a glove too. 

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Hate to keep beating this point but is it Kubiak's offense or his design or just what??? Is he even going to be there game day? I'm never been sure what his roll will be when the bullets start flying.  Stefanski is calling plays in game,  right??  So he'll be calling Kubiak's plays when he thinks they fit. Is that the plan?  So it's Kubiak's offense driven by Kevin. I only keep saying this because Kevin has been a very loyal team guy. He was refused to be allowed interviews elsewhere. So then he gets his shot. He accepted the open OC job here. Only to find out he's got another new boss after he accepted. Or so it seems. Finally gets his shot and it's not even called "his" offense. Good thing he is a loyal team guy. A lesser man might habor resentment. I know I know... I'm just saying though. Just don't give me this. Well he says there's no problem and it's a great working relationship...ect..blah blah. I wouldn't expect a loyal guy like Kevin to say anything less.

I think it was likley Stefanskis call to bring in Kubiak to work with him.   Kubiak is like a position coach from the sounds of it.   He will work with the players at practice,  he will have the OCs ear,  but it will be KS running the team meetings,   developing the game plans (surely with Kubiaks assistance) and KS calling plays on game day.  everybody needs to relax a bit on who does what,  Kubiak isnt the first former HC to come back to the game in a reduced role.

I know he's not the 1st. I don't remember others getting it called theirs. For a part time job.

I agree,  IMO its the minny sports media that are doing their best to create a story by constantly pushing the Kubiaks offense angle.   I think Stefanski seems grounded enough though to not really give a shit at this point,  he knows that if it fails it will be his failure and not Kubiaks so he is likely happy to let GK deal with the distractions while he gets to make the baby.

Kevin's got the right demeanor for it. I'm just saying what ifs. I guess my only worry is that Kevin is not as on board with it as seems. I would hate for this to work only to have Kevin leave after this year for a OC/Asst HC type position. Then what we got? An old coach with questionable health that only wants to work PT. 
Don't mind me. I only like to worry.

@"suncoastvike" said: Ok Ok I'll stop. Jeez... I sometimes sound like I've got some serious abandonment issues. Years of being left at the altar is my excuse.

i think this whole made up drama is just that and we and tgey have nothing better to talk about. 

my concern would be if stephaniski sucks and gets fired 4 games in. 

@"RS Express" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Ok Ok I'll stop. Jeez... I sometimes sound like I've got some serious abandonment issues. Years of being left at the altar is my excuse.

Left at the altar hell.  More like on the way to the altar and run over in the church parking lot.