Vikings rookie center Garrett Bradbury: learn now, lead later
Vikings coach Mike Zimmer was talking about Garrett Bradbury after practice Wednesday when he looked up and saw his rookie center was still on the field.
https://www.twincities.com/2019/06/04/vikings-center-garrett-bradbury-seeks-to-learn-offensive-system-before-becoming-more-vocal/
An improvement along the interior will payoff big time...even reaching a level above mediocre will payoff...
@"BarrNone55" said: An improvement along the interior will payoff big time...even reaching a level above mediocre will payoff...That's the hope and the plan. Cautiously optimistic. Need to stay healthy.
@"BarrNone55" said: An improvement along the interior will payoff big time...even reaching a level above mediocre will payoff...A level above mediocre would be outstanding. I'm not expecting more than that, but will point out that the Colts, adding an OL coach and a couple of key rookies, went from giving up the most sacks in the NFL in 2017 to the least in 2018.
What's interesting, and encouraging to me, is that the Colts line build is similar to the Vikings. The addition of a couple of good players (Nelson, Smith) boosted the performance of league average players like LT Castonzo and RG Glowinski. That's my hope for Reiff and Kline.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said: An improvement along the interior will payoff big time...even reaching a level above mediocre will payoff... A level above mediocre would be outstanding. I'm not expecting more than that, but will point out that the Colts, adding an OL coach and a couple of key rookies, went from giving up the most sacks in the NFL in 2017 to the least in 2018.What's interesting, and encouraging to me, is that the Colts line build is similar to the Vikings. The addition of a couple of good players (Nelson, Smith) boosted the performance of league average players like LT Castonzo and RG Glowinski. That's my hope for Reiff and Kline.
This is the difference between "Studs" and "Scrubs"...
@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said: An improvement along the interior will payoff big time...even reaching a level above mediocre will payoff... A level above mediocre would be outstanding. I'm not expecting more than that, but will point out that the Colts, adding an OL coach and a couple of key rookies, went from giving up the most sacks in the NFL in 2017 to the least in 2018.What's interesting, and encouraging to me, is that the Colts line build is similar to the Vikings. The addition of a couple of good players (Nelson, Smith) boosted the performance of league average players like LT Castonzo and RG Glowinski. That's my hope for Reiff and Kline.
And Kline is a much, much more seasoned player and known commodity vs. Glowinski, who has started 28 games compared to Josh's 64.
@"FSUVike" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said: An improvement along the interior will payoff big time...even reaching a level above mediocre will payoff... A level above mediocre would be outstanding. I'm not expecting more than that, but will point out that the Colts, adding an OL coach and a couple of key rookies, went from giving up the most sacks in the NFL in 2017 to the least in 2018.What's interesting, and encouraging to me, is that the Colts line build is similar to the Vikings. The addition of a couple of good players (Nelson, Smith) boosted the performance of league average players like LT Castonzo and RG Glowinski. That's my hope for Reiff and Kline.
And Kline is a much, much more seasoned player and known commodity vs. Glowinski, who has started 28 games compared to Josh's 64.
Lotsa "IFS" but IF O'Neill continues to improve at the rate he did as a rookie, and IF Bradbury is everything we think he is, then Kline could see his best year as a pro. And then IF Elflein benefits from a return to guard (and full strength), then Reiff could as well. Now throw in the fact that all are coached by zone whisperer Dennison in a Kubiak blocking scheme that has typically achieved good results from league average players....and it's hard not to be optimistic about this offense.Course....another mole to whack will pop up somewhere.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"FSUVike" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said: An improvement along the interior will payoff big time...even reaching a level above mediocre will payoff... A level above mediocre would be outstanding. I'm not expecting more than that, but will point out that the Colts, adding an OL coach and a couple of key rookies, went from giving up the most sacks in the NFL in 2017 to the least in 2018.What's interesting, and encouraging to me, is that the Colts line build is similar to the Vikings. The addition of a couple of good players (Nelson, Smith) boosted the performance of league average players like LT Castonzo and RG Glowinski. That's my hope for Reiff and Kline.
And Kline is a much, much more seasoned player and known commodity vs. Glowinski, who has started 28 games compared to Josh's 64.
Lotsa "IFS" but IF O'Neill continues to improve at the rate he did as a rookie, and IF Bradbury is everything we think he is, then Kline could see his best year as a pro. And then IF Elflein benefits from a return to guard (and full strength), then Reiff could as well. Now throw in the fact that all are coached by zone whisperer Dennison in a Kubiak blocking scheme that has typically achieved good results from league average players....and it's hard not to be optimistic about this offense.Course....another mole to whack will pop up somewhere.
if we pick a scheme and stick with it----oooh this is fun
@"Akvike" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"FSUVike" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said: An improvement along the interior will payoff big time...even reaching a level above mediocre will payoff... A level above mediocre would be outstanding. I'm not expecting more than that, but will point out that the Colts, adding an OL coach and a couple of key rookies, went from giving up the most sacks in the NFL in 2017 to the least in 2018.What's interesting, and encouraging to me, is that the Colts line build is similar to the Vikings. The addition of a couple of good players (Nelson, Smith) boosted the performance of league average players like LT Castonzo and RG Glowinski. That's my hope for Reiff and Kline.
And Kline is a much, much more seasoned player and known commodity vs. Glowinski, who has started 28 games compared to Josh's 64.
Lotsa "IFS" but IF O'Neill continues to improve at the rate he did as a rookie, and IF Bradbury is everything we think he is, then Kline could see his best year as a pro. And then IF Elflein benefits from a return to guard (and full strength), then Reiff could as well. Now throw in the fact that all are coached by zone whisperer Dennison in a Kubiak blocking scheme that has typically achieved good results from league average players....and it's hard not to be optimistic about this offense.Course....another mole to whack will pop up somewhere.
if we pick a scheme and stick with it----oooh this is fun
Well that's one thing we no longer have to worry about.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"FSUVike" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said: An improvement along the interior will payoff big time...even reaching a level above mediocre will payoff... A level above mediocre would be outstanding. I'm not expecting more than that, but will point out that the Colts, adding an OL coach and a couple of key rookies, went from giving up the most sacks in the NFL in 2017 to the least in 2018.What's interesting, and encouraging to me, is that the Colts line build is similar to the Vikings. The addition of a couple of good players (Nelson, Smith) boosted the performance of league average players like LT Castonzo and RG Glowinski. That's my hope for Reiff and Kline.
And Kline is a much, much more seasoned player and known commodity vs. Glowinski, who has started 28 games compared to Josh's 64.
Lotsa "IFS" but IF O'Neill continues to improve at the rate he did as a rookie, and IF Bradbury is everything we think he is, then Kline could see his best year as a pro. And then IF Elflein benefits from a return to guard (and full strength), then Reiff could as well. Now throw in the fact that all are coached by zone whisperer Dennison in a Kubiak blocking scheme that has typically achieved good results from league average players....and it's hard not to be optimistic about this offense.Course....another mole to whack will pop up somewhere.
I have long yearned for an offense in the Kubiak style. That ZBS always seemed to churn out solid production from average backs and great production from above average backs.Losing Sparano last year hurt the offense, not that it was ever going to be great, but he was the run coordinator/O-line coach. And those areas were a struggle last year. I think Flip could have used a strong run coordinator to balance his passing tendencies.
But glad that is over. We finally have the ZBS that I have watched excel elsewhere. And with the additions and depth of the line, I am very optimistic. Even more so than normal at this time. :)
@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said: An improvement along the interior will payoff big time...even reaching a level above mediocre will payoff... A level above mediocre would be outstanding. I'm not expecting more than that, but will point out that the Colts, adding an OL coach and a couple of key rookies, went from giving up the most sacks in the NFL in 2017 to the least in 2018.What's interesting, and encouraging to me, is that the Colts line build is similar to the Vikings. The addition of a couple of good players (Nelson, Smith) boosted the performance of league average players like LT Castonzo and RG Glowinski. That's my hope for Reiff and Kline.
IMO, you're missing the biggest change in the Colts offense from 2017 to 2018: Brissett to Luck. That is the difference between the most sacks and the least, a QB that doesn't really know how to play to a very good veteran often discussed as one of the best.
@"silverjoel" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said: An improvement along the interior will payoff big time...even reaching a level above mediocre will payoff... A level above mediocre would be outstanding. I'm not expecting more than that, but will point out that the Colts, adding an OL coach and a couple of key rookies, went from giving up the most sacks in the NFL in 2017 to the least in 2018.What's interesting, and encouraging to me, is that the Colts line build is similar to the Vikings. The addition of a couple of good players (Nelson, Smith) boosted the performance of league average players like LT Castonzo and RG Glowinski. That's my hope for Reiff and Kline.
IMO, you're missing the biggest change in the Colts offense from 2017 to 2018: Brissett to Luck. That is the difference between the most sacks and the least, a QB that doesn't really know how to play to a very good veteran often discussed as one of the best.
Great insight. Its a factor without a doubt.
@"silverjoel" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said: An improvement along the interior will payoff big time...even reaching a level above mediocre will payoff... A level above mediocre would be outstanding. I'm not expecting more than that, but will point out that the Colts, adding an OL coach and a couple of key rookies, went from giving up the most sacks in the NFL in 2017 to the least in 2018.What's interesting, and encouraging to me, is that the Colts line build is similar to the Vikings. The addition of a couple of good players (Nelson, Smith) boosted the performance of league average players like LT Castonzo and RG Glowinski. That's my hope for Reiff and Kline.
IMO, you're missing the biggest change in the Colts offense from 2017 to 2018: Brissett to Luck. That is the difference between the most sacks and the least, a QB that doesn't really know how to play to a very good veteran often discussed as one of the best.
Sure, Luck returning was a factor, but not as much of a factor as drafting Nelson and Smith. Nelson was 1st team All Pro as a rookie and Smith was all-rookie. That's what took them from last to first in sacks given up. You could argue that Luck is the reason they performed so well, but the last year Luck was healthy, he was sacked 41 times. That's more than the Vikings gave up in 2018.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"silverjoel" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said: An improvement along the interior will payoff big time...even reaching a level above mediocre will payoff... A level above mediocre would be outstanding. I'm not expecting more than that, but will point out that the Colts, adding an OL coach and a couple of key rookies, went from giving up the most sacks in the NFL in 2017 to the least in 2018.What's interesting, and encouraging to me, is that the Colts line build is similar to the Vikings. The addition of a couple of good players (Nelson, Smith) boosted the performance of league average players like LT Castonzo and RG Glowinski. That's my hope for Reiff and Kline.
IMO, you're missing the biggest change in the Colts offense from 2017 to 2018: Brissett to Luck. That is the difference between the most sacks and the least, a QB that doesn't really know how to play to a very good veteran often discussed as one of the best.
Sure, Luck returning was a factor, but not as much of a factor as drafting Nelson and Smith. Nelson was 1st team All Pro as a rookie and Smith was all-rookie. That's what took them from last to first in sacks given up. You could argue that Luck is the reason they performed so well, but the last year Luck was healthy, he was sacked 41 times. That's more than the Vikings gave up in 2018.
Time to throw (how long a QB holds on to the ball):2018 - Luck - 2.63s (9th fastest)
2017 - Brissett - 2.89s (36th)
2016 - Luck - 2.88s (35th)Luck got rid of the ball last year. It made a huge difference. I would love to go back farther, but there's only 3 years of that data. Also, it was widely speculated that something was off with Luck in 2016 (missed all of 2017) and that was his worse year sack wise.
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