Bears To Really Have Kick Ass Offense

Does Chillidip have compromising photos of Nagy?

well that Chilly assisted offense kicked our teams ass twice last year.  they are going to be good once again and  easily the team to beat in the north IMO.  unless trubisky loses the game for them IMO they are going to be damn tough outs.

You know the great thing about a new year? The last one doesn't count anymore. They are getting a ton of respect from the experts. They're the team to beat in the North. So...that's what you do. See how a new season works? Just last one this was us.

Didn't see Nagy and Chilly hooking-up. Ever. Maybe I should have if Nagy is off the Andy Reid tree? 

I think the battle for the North is going to be interesting as heck. I fully expect GB and MN to be more competitive this year. 

Have no idea how Patricia will navigate the ship for The Lions. 

@"JimmyinSD" said: well that Chilly assisted offense kicked our teams ass twice last year.  they are going to be good once again and  easily the team to beat in the north IMO.  unless trubisky loses the game for them IMO they are going to be damn tough outs.

I am by no means a Chilly fan (I still contend Ricky should have been shown the door along with him in 2010), but the FACTS are that through their first 4 years, Zimmer and Childress had almost IDENTICAL results. Zim had 3 more regular season wins (39 to 36) and both had identical playoff records (1-2), with both making the NFCC game (Chilly losing a close game on the road in OT against a HOF QB and HC, Zim getting  annihilated and embarrassed on the road by a backup QB and 2nd year HC)

Chilly was fired midway thru year 5, Zim was not. But the commonality of both of those seasons was no playoff appearance/wins. 

Again, I'm not defending Chilly by any means, simply pointing out the fact that both he and Zim had eerily similar RESULTS thru their first 5 seasons with the Vikings.

@"njvike" said: I am by no means a Chilly fan (I still contend Ricky should have been shown the door along with him in 2010), but the FACTS are that through their first 4 years, Zimmer and Childress had almost IDENTICAL results. Zim had 3 more regular season wins (39 to 36) and both had identical playoff records (1-2), with both making the NFCC game (Chilly losing a close game on the road in OT against a HOF QB and HC, Zim getting  annihilated and embarrassed on the road by a backup QB and 2nd year HC)

Chilly was fired midway thru year 5, Zim was not. But the commonality of both of those seasons was no playoff appearance/wins. 

Again, I'm not defending Chilly by any means, simply pointing out the fact that both he and Zim had eerily similar RESULTS thru their first 5 seasons with the Vikings.

The defense, particularly the secondary, was suspect with only the "Williams Wall", ol' #69, and Antoine Wilfield offering much in the way of consistent defense (BRob and Greenway get honorable mentions here).

Without Adrian Peterson and Burt Fahv-ruh, the offense had little to crow about DESPITE an offensive-minded HC.

Meanwhile, Zimmer has defended his reputation as a defensive-secondary guru but obviously has had issues (some his fault, some not) getting consistent offensive production.  This season will define Zimmer's tenure a great deal.

@"Zanary" said:

@"njvike" said: I am by no means a Chilly fan (I still contend Ricky should have been shown the door along with him in 2010), but the FACTS are that through their first 4 years, Zimmer and Childress had almost IDENTICAL results. Zim had 3 more regular season wins (39 to 36) and both had identical playoff records (1-2), with both making the NFCC game (Chilly losing a close game on the road in OT against a HOF QB and HC, Zim getting  annihilated and embarrassed on the road by a backup QB and 2nd year HC)

Chilly was fired midway thru year 5, Zim was not. But the commonality of both of those seasons was no playoff appearance/wins. 

Again, I'm not defending Chilly by any means, simply pointing out the fact that both he and Zim had eerily similar RESULTS thru their first 5 seasons with the Vikings.

The difference, to me, is that Chilly was supposedly a "QB Guru" who completely mishandled his chosen draft pick (who must remain nameless), and only had real success when a veteran QB that essentially ignored him took the reins.

The defense, particularly the secondary, was suspect with only the "Williams Wall", ol' #69, and Antoine Wilfield offering much in the way of consistent defense (BRob and Greenway get honorable mentions here).

Without Adrian Peterson and Burt Fahv-ruh, the offense had little to crow about DESPITE an offensive-minded HC.

Meanwhile, Zimmer has defended his reputation as a defensive-secondary guru but obviously has had issues (some his fault, some not) getting consistent offensive production.  This season will define Zimmer's tenure a great deal.

@"Zanary" said:

@"njvike" said: I am by no means a Chilly fan (I still contend Ricky should have been shown the door along with him in 2010), but the FACTS are that through their first 4 years, Zimmer and Childress had almost IDENTICAL results. Zim had 3 more regular season wins (39 to 36) and both had identical playoff records (1-2), with both making the NFCC game (Chilly losing a close game on the road in OT against a HOF QB and HC, Zim getting  annihilated and embarrassed on the road by a backup QB and 2nd year HC)

Chilly was fired midway thru year 5, Zim was not. But the commonality of both of those seasons was no playoff appearance/wins. 

Again, I'm not defending Chilly by any means, simply pointing out the fact that both he and Zim had eerily similar RESULTS thru their first 5 seasons with the Vikings.

The difference, to me, is that Chilly was supposedly a "QB Guru" who completely mishandled his chosen draft pick (who must remain nameless), and only had real success when a veteran QB that essentially ignored him took the reins.

The defense, particularly the secondary, was suspect with only the "Williams Wall", ol' #69, and Antoine Wilfield offering much in the way of consistent defense (BRob and Greenway get honorable mentions here).

Without Adrian Peterson and Burt Fahv-ruh, the offense had little to crow about DESPITE an offensive-minded HC.

Meanwhile, Zimmer has defended his reputation as a defensive-secondary guru but obviously has had issues (some his fault, some not) getting consistent offensive production.  This season will define Zimmer's tenure a great deal.

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Zanary" said:

The difference, to me, is that Chilly was supposedly a "QB Guru" who completely mishandled his chosen draft pick (who must remain nameless), and only had real success when a veteran QB that essentially ignored him took the reins.

The defense, particularly the secondary, was suspect with only the "Williams Wall", ol' #69, and Antoine Wilfield offering much in the way of consistent defense (BRob and Greenway get honorable mentions here).

Without Adrian Peterson and Burt Fahv-ruh, the offense had little to crow about DESPITE an offensive-minded HC.

Meanwhile, Zimmer has defended his reputation as a defensive-secondary guru but obviously has had issues (some his fault, some not) getting consistent offensive production.  This season will define Zimmer's tenure a great deal.

I agree. The thread title pokes at Childress's kick ass offense. Zimmer is a defensive guru who turned around a historically bad unit. Brad's offense worked one year. When a HOF'er took over and pretty much made Chilly's KAO moot by ignoring him and just doing it.

Coffee, Tea, or me?

Back to why the Bears will struggle. 1. Offense predicated on misdirection to scheme wide open looks for Troubadour who can't read Defenses or go smoothly through progressions. 2. Defense thrived off of turnovers. 

I don't need to go any further. Teams have seen all that KC/LA/CHI pre-snap razzle dazzle and were already doing better against it the 2nd half of the season. Surem there will be new wrinkles. But DCs will be game planning to make Troubadour a Pocket Passer.

And all those TOs give your Offense more chances and keep your Defense rested. It's rare for teams to be amongst the League Leaders in TOs in consecutive seasons.

And that D has a disproportionate amount of money tied up in Mack. This will probably be the last year they can keep it intact.

@"greediron" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Zanary" said:

The difference, to me, is that Chilly was supposedly a "QB Guru" who completely mishandled his chosen draft pick (who must remain nameless), and only had real success when a veteran QB that essentially ignored him took the reins.

The defense, particularly the secondary, was suspect with only the "Williams Wall", ol' #69, and Antoine Wilfield offering much in the way of consistent defense (BRob and Greenway get honorable mentions here).

Without Adrian Peterson and Burt Fahv-ruh, the offense had little to crow about DESPITE an offensive-minded HC.

Meanwhile, Zimmer has defended his reputation as a defensive-secondary guru but obviously has had issues (some his fault, some not) getting consistent offensive production.  This season will define Zimmer's tenure a great deal.

I agree. The thread title pokes at Childress's kick ass offense. Zimmer is a defensive guru who turned around a historically bad unit. Brad's offense worked one year. When a HOF'er took over and pretty much made Chilly's KAO moot by ignoring him and just doing it.

Biggest issue with Childress was his hypocrisy.  He was brought in as a hardass to clean up the locker room.  He was a hard ass authoritarian until the chips were down and he waffled allowing Favre to hold him hostage.  (not the first year, but year 2 when Bert was under contract and skipped training camp until the famous pleading of Allen, Longwell and Hutch (and doubling his salary).  Then Bert came in, didn't know the offensive changes installed in camp and played like shit. 

So if you want to be an authoritarian, it has to apply to everyone. 

Best thing about Zimmer is he is a hard ass, but he is consistent.  Everyone has to follow the rules and yet he genuinely seems to care about the players.  That is why players like Barr came back.