Someone posted some of the Vikings late round picks
Sweet. So 1/10 of them might work out.. pic.twitter.com/kNowOlPsxY
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Yup...Quantity over quality.
Ravens dump their 6's and 7's to pull another 3rd or 4th.
but Spielman has to get to ten...every year
If we could find another Diggs value i would be happy.
You could also look at that list and see that the Vikes are getting better with their late round picks.......
@"VikingOracle" said: You could also look at that list and see that the Vikes are getting better with their late round picks.......What was your favorite Daniel Carlson moment?
2014:
5. Yankee
6. Exum
6. James
2015:
4. TJ Clemmings
5. Pruitt
5. Diggs
6. Thompson
2016:
4. Beavers
5. Brothers
2017:
4. Johnson
4. Gideon
5. Isadora
2018:
4. Holmes
5. Conklin
5. Carlson
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Its kind of a quality through quantity approach. Historically you cant expect late picks to be reliable players - this list has a lot of busts on it. Every team in the league has a list that looks like this. For every late round star is a late round faulure who gets cut out of camp.
But not many teams have this many shots at getting one right either. The misses are mitigated with guys who make the roster.
I'd agree that trading back into multiple 6s or 7s is pretty worthless thou...
I dug into this during a slow day last winter. Short summary: Vikings have made more day 3 picks than any team in the NFL since 2011, but only have 2 starters (Stefon Diggs, Ben Gedeon) to show for it, which is the 3rd-worst percentage in the league.
https://vikefans.com/vfforums/discussion/7897/vikings-lead-the-nfl-in-day-3-draft-picks#latest
Unless Spielman is busily packaging some of those late picks into something with actual value (like an early pick in round 4), it's most likely a waste.
Clemmings and Beavers are worse than all the others combined because they were 4th rounders. Not many teams hit on picks in rounds 5 thru 7. They're just guesses. Every team is guessing and so the notion of "value" is irrelevant. And the more "guesses" you have the better. So I get what he's doing, but he's got to find more success with those picks than he has in order to justify doing it every year.
@"VikingOracle" said: You could also look at that list and see that the Vikes are getting better with their late round picks.......
Based on some of the recent ones still being on the roster? See if any stick around more than Two years. Recent picks always fill out special teams, but get bumped after a couple years if they don’t progress as position players.
@"RS Express" said:@"VikingOracle" said: You could also look at that list and see that the Vikes are getting better with their late round picks.......What was your favorite Daniel Carlson moment?
That is a funny example to pick as I would argue that Carlson is an example of a potentially good pick meeting bad coaching:https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/12/20/how-raiders-kicker-daniel-carlson-re-ignited-his-nfl-career/
"As it turns out, this move by Gruden was downright brilliant as Carlson became the most reliable kicker in the league, bar none. He made all four of his extra point attempts in week eight, missed one of his two attempted field goals in week nine, and then rattled off 15 consecutive kicks without a miss to finish the season. Carlson also made every single extra point he attempted in 2018. Very impressive production for a player that had been a castoff after week two."
ok i get the pissed off tradind down. 5 years from now we’ll have the luxuray of hindsight but last tonight we did make a 3rd round selection. Its not like we traded out of day 2 for the entire 7th round.
@"Jor-El" said:@"VikingOracle" said: You could also look at that list and see that the Vikes are getting better with their late round picks.......
Based on some of the recent ones still being on the roster? See if any stick around more than Two years. Recent picks always fill out special teams, but get bumped after a couple years if they don’t progress as position players.
2016:
Morgan (6th round) is a very valuable member of the team and important for the running game. Weatherly (7th) -- do I need to make an argument about him? Kearse (7th) a good backup that gets on the field.2017: Johnson (4th) seems like a valuable player. Gedeon has been a starter since his rookie year albeit with a limited role. Isadora (5th) make it or break it year. Odenigbo (7th) make or break. Elijah Woods (7th) might be a player, albeit for the 49ers: (https://ninernoise.com/2019/01/17/49ers-linebacker-elijah-lee-role-2019/). Tocho (7th) make it or break year with the Steelers.
2018: Holmes (4th), Conklin (4th), Aruna (6th), Downs (7th) all too early to tell though Holmes seems like a keeper so far. I previously posted about Carlson in this thread. Gossett (6th) is interesting case. He actually started games his rookie year, albeit with the Cardinals. https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2018/12/15/18142052/is-colby-gossett-the-long-term-answer-at-left-guard
So, I would maintain the recent drafts show more than picks merely staying on the roster for special teams purposes. I think it is very defendable to say the Vikes are getting better at drafting in the later rounds.
@"AGRforever" said: ok i get the pissed off tradind down. 5 years from now we’ll have the luxuray of hindsight but last tonight we did make a 3rd round selection. Its not like we traded out of day 2 for the entire 7th round.we had the very last pick of round three. We basically traded out of the round.
I get why he does it. What I don't get is how he consistently does better with UDFAs than he does with late round picks.
@"FSUVike" said: I get why he does it. What I don't get is how he consistently does better with UDFAs than he does with late round picks.This. I would sooner go after the top of the draft and take my chances with all the UDFA's.
Even Zim doesn’t like it folks...
Q: How is Coach Zimmer doing, with only offensive players being selected?
A: Coach Zimmer was actually very happy we got the offense going, but also every time we do trade back it’s irritating to him. But he knows we’re going to get some really good players tomorrow. He was ready to unplug the phones again, like he is every year. ;) B)
https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/4/27/18519452/minnesota-vikings-rick-spielman-2019-nfl-draft
I think the UDFAs are on Zimmer more than anything.
They come in a huge group and work out in front of him. Zimmer could probably tell you which UDFAs are better than the draft picks after a couple workouts. I think Spielman relies heavily on the staff opinions over these workouts.
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