Draft Discussion Day 1
I figured we should consolidate day one chat in this thread.
Wow for Arizona... showing balls for taking a QB again in the 1st round and still have their pick of good OT tomorrow for desperate OL need.
And Gruden better hope that DE turns out good... taking him over Josh Allen.
I'm starting to look at best available player lists after round 1. It seems like DL has been picked pretty thin, but there is still depth at WR, TE, OL, & CB (shudders). Deebo Samuel would be my top choice and if we want a TE, then guys like Irv Smith, Kahale Warring, and Jace Sternberger are still around.
As a Viking fan I love what the packers did!)) So thankful they didn't get Oliver or Hockenson. Time for some more Oline help in Round 2 or 3.. ( I hope)
As for my thoughts on the first round. I was hoping for an OT like Dillard or Taylor, but I Bradbury is an excellent scheme in an outside zone blocking scheme, since it requires an athletic center who can get to the 2nd level and seal off the MLB. Elflein also played guard for most of his college career, though I am hoping his struggles last year were due to coming back from an injury. I still feel like we have a need at OT and with the team unlikely to keep Reiff after this year and the depth issues we've had, it would be nice to have a long term plan in place. We'll see if passing on Dillard was the right call, but Bradbury is a great scheme fit.
@"kmillard" said: As a Viking fan I love what the packers did!)) So thankful they didn't get Oliver or Hockenson.My first 2 thoughts when Hockenson went to Detroit were 1. "Oh, crap" 2. "At least it wasn't the Packers"
Very happy with Bradbury.
As for the Raiders at #4, maybe Ferrell was a reach, but I understand the reasoning:
NFL sacks 2018:
30: Patriots/Giants (tie): 30 sacks
32: Raiders 13
When you have less than half the sacks than the next worst team, I can see why they wanted a true DE.
My "reeeeeeach" award (and I hope I turn out to be right) goes to GB. Rashan Gary at 12 and trading up for Savage who might have still been there at 30. Also the NYG for taking a QB at 6 they could have had at 17.
Nice work by the Skins (did I just type that?) and the Broncos (trade down from 10 to 20 and end up with Noah Fant).
"Lets just F with people" award to the Seahawks. Trade down from 21 to 30. Leapfrog your own pick to come up from the 2nd round to 29. Then trade out from 30.
Nothing to complain about with the Bradbury pick. Best Center in College Football, very strong and can really move. If I look at him as a guard prospect he’s probably 1 or 2 in the whole draft as well. Should start immediately which is always a plus.
@"RS Express" said:@"kmillard" said: As a Viking fan I love what the packers did!)) So thankful they didn't get Oliver or Hockenson. My first 2 thoughts when Hockenson went to Detroit were 1. "Oh, crap" 2. "At least it wasn't the Packers"Very happy with Bradbury.
As for the Raiders at #4, maybe Ferrell was a reach, but I understand the reasoning:
NFL sacks 2018:
30: Patriots/Giants (tie): 30 sacks
32: Raiders 13
When you have less than half the sacks than the next worst team, I can see why they wanted a true DE.My "reeeeeeach" award (and I hope I turn out to be right) goes to GB. Rashan Gary at 12 and trading up for Savage who might have still been there at 30. Also the NYG for taking a QB at 6 they could have had at 17.
Nice work by the Skins (did I just type that?) and the Broncos (trade down from 10 to 20 and end up with Noah Fant).
"Lets just F with people" award to the Seahawks. Trade down from 21 to 30. Leapfrog your own pick to come up from the 2nd round to 29. Then trade out from 30.
I had the same reaction with Hockenson, "At least the Packers didn't draft him." He'll help Detroit, but I'm much less concerned about them than if GB gets on track and thankfully, GB made some risky decisions.As for the Raiders, they apparently passed on Josh Allen and Ed Oliver, because they were represented by the same agent as Khalil Mack. There was a time when the Vikings we were weary of taking players represented by Bryant McKinnie's agent, Ben Dogra, but you'd hope that a player's agent would be a tie-breaker and not make you pass on higher end talent. With Clelin Ferrell, they got a good player and someone who is considered a high character person, but they really should have traded down. Maybe they tried & failed, but it's definitely a questionable move.
One thing that I'm curious about is that Clemson's DL had 3 1st round picks and they have 2 more DL prospects who are likely to be drafted, so on a line what that much talent how can you tell how much of their success is ability and how much is favorable matchups? Athletic measurables help and technique would still show up on tape, but would you be more comfortable with a Clemson DL or someone like Ed Oliver who was not surrounded by the same caliber of talent?
@"MaroonBells" said:@"Amazonviking" said: Forget that, Speilman needs to be gone. I have nothing against Bradbury but come on a Center in the first round? The highest paid center in the history of the league is making less money than Barr. We could have signed Morse from KC and drafted a long term solution at tackle. This pick makes no sense from a value standpoint and more so a need standpoint. Spielman is garbage this proves it. Complete waste of a value pick with a lot of guys on the board that could help a lot more than a center. Hell our last 2 pro bowlers were late round picks at center. I might've taken Dillard over Bradbury but only because of position value. I stand by what I've said all along: that Bradbury is the best offensive lineman in this draft. This is an IDEAL outside zone blocker. Kubiak is celebrating.
It’s cool to see someone as jacked as I am about this pick. Heck even more so lol! I agree with you. He can start at Center or Guard tomorrow and will likely be one if the better guys in the league out of the gate. Just think Maroon, he’s going to get even stronger especially in his base. The absolute jump out at you part of his game when I watched his tape was his speed. It’s outstanding. He can slide down so easily and stick a guy. It’s a huge positive attribute in this league of speed defensive lineman. He doesn’t take extra steps or need to adjust, he’s on top of a guy so quick he’s already got the guy washed out before he can try to counter him. He’s a linebacker nightmare in the run game.Excited to see what else they do but there’s no doubt in my mind Bradbury is a pro bowl caliber prospect and can be a bug difference maker. He was also among the safest picks in this draft in my opinion.
IMHO, think we got the next Matt Birk. After reading all the comments, threads and mocks posted, I said we'd either get Bradbury or Dillard.
And after listening to RS and Zim, I think some of our "draftnicks" (MaroonBells in particular) correctly analyzed what the Vikes were looking for in an O-lineman.
VikeFans has shown, yet again, that we've got some excellent draft experts of our own. A tip of the horned helmet to you guys!
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