Zim Says Rhodes Needs To Play Up To His Contract

Would definitely be great to see.  I think X has some work ahead of him to get his mojo back.

Zimmer criticizing players via the press? Heavens, has that ever happened before??
Tell me again how much his players love him or how it's not his fault when they seem to quit during a few games every year.

You know, I'm beginning to dislike Mikey's tendency to publicly call out others. He has done NOTHING in his coaching career that gives him that cache. Belicheck? Parcells? Coughlin? Sure. Mike Zimmer? Nope, not even close.

Hey Zimmer : NEWSFLASH : YOU need to start living up to YOUR contract, too! Your teams have played in 3 times as many home stadiums than you've had playoff wins, 3 to 1. I know you've been learning at the feet of the master, but you've already scape-goated several coaches, a few kickers and publicly called out several players, including your QB's.
Ya might want to try self-scouting your own results for a change. Figure out how to avoid having your team play their worst when it matters most, hookay, you crotchety ol' SOB?

Im not even going to mention lucky 13's playoff record. It's pointless.....that phukker has more job security than the Pope for some unfathomable reason. 

@"njvike" said: You know, I'm beginning to dislike Mikey's tendency to publicly call out others. He has done NOTHING in his coaching career that gives him that cache. Belicheck? Parcells? Coughlin? Sure. Mike Zimmer? Nope, not even close.

Hey Zimmer : NEWSFLASH : YOU need to start living up to YOUR contract, too! Your teams have played in 3 times as many home stadiums than you've had playoff wins, 3 to 1. I know you've been learning at the feet of the master, but you've already scape-goated several coaches, a few kickers and publicly called out several players, including your QB's.
Ya might want to try self-scouting your own results for a change. Figure out how to avoid having your team play their worst when it matters most, hookay, you crotchety ol' SOB?

Im not even going to mention lucky 13's playoff record. It's pointless.....that phukker has more job security than the Pope for some unfathomable reason. 

Zimmer's still miles better than his predecessor, and I'd laugh out loud at anyone that would prefer Chilly to him.

One issue with this team is dumb luck.  Last season, we had our best run-game-guru and OL coach die heading into the season, just before our most proven DL had a massive mental episode.  Xavier got bitten by the injury bug, as did Waynes, and our OL (reeling from a coach actually dying) was also down a major player.  Oh...and we had an OC that, left unchecked, essentially deserted the run game before being released.

You don't get combinations like that too often.  Even with all that, we were 2nd in the division and could have easily been a wild card team if our o-line had even played at a mediocre level.

Zimmer needs to do better, yes...but compared to what he replaced, he's miles above and beyond.

@"Zanary" said:

@"njvike" said: You know, I'm beginning to dislike Mikey's tendency to publicly call out others. He has done NOTHING in his coaching career that gives him that cache. Belicheck? Parcells? Coughlin? Sure. Mike Zimmer? Nope, not even close.

Hey Zimmer : NEWSFLASH : YOU need to start living up to YOUR contract, too! Your teams have played in 3 times as many home stadiums than you've had playoff wins, 3 to 1. I know you've been learning at the feet of the master, but you've already scape-goated several coaches, a few kickers and publicly called out several players, including your QB's.
Ya might want to try self-scouting your own results for a change. Figure out how to avoid having your team play their worst when it matters most, hookay, you crotchety ol' SOB?

Im not even going to mention lucky 13's playoff record. It's pointless.....that phukker has more job security than the Pope for some unfathomable reason. 

Actually, Zimmer calls out himself and the coaching pretty consistently after any loss.

Zimmer's still miles better than his predecessor, and I'd laugh out loud at anyone that would prefer Chilly to him.

One issue with this team is dumb luck.  Last season, we had our best run-game-guru and OL coach die heading into the season, just before our most proven DL had a massive mental episode.  Xavier got bitten by the injury bug, as did Waynes, and our OL (reeling from a coach actually dying) was also down a major player.  Oh...and we had an OC that, left unchecked, essentially deserted the run game before being released.

You don't get combinations like that too often.  Even with all that, we were 2nd in the division and could have easily been a wild card team if our o-line had even played at a mediocre level.

Zimmer needs to do better, yes...but compared to what he replaced, he's miles above and beyond.

I like Zimmer still. This is not a new tactic as has been pointed out. He needs to produce himself. His job in this league is far more in jeopardy then Rhodes. Rhodes would be taken by any number of teams if he wasn't wanted here. Not saying that's what Mike wants or said. Only that the same can't be said about Mike. If he loses this job it's back to DC or retirement. You better figure out some way to motivate your stars Zim. We'll see if this method works out for you.

I have zero problem with these snowflakes being called out when they are getting paid huge contracts and not producing.  Why shouldn't it come with the territory?

@"Zanary" said:

@"njvike" said: You know, I'm beginning to dislike Mikey's tendency to publicly call out others. He has done NOTHING in his coaching career that gives him that cache. Belicheck? Parcells? Coughlin? Sure. Mike Zimmer? Nope, not even close.

Hey Zimmer : NEWSFLASH : YOU need to start living up to YOUR contract, too! Your teams have played in 3 times as many home stadiums than you've had playoff wins, 3 to 1. I know you've been learning at the feet of the master, but you've already scape-goated several coaches, a few kickers and publicly called out several players, including your QB's.
Ya might want to try self-scouting your own results for a change. Figure out how to avoid having your team play their worst when it matters most, hookay, you crotchety ol' SOB?

Im not even going to mention lucky 13's playoff record. It's pointless.....that phukker has more job security than the Pope for some unfathomable reason. 

Actually, Zimmer calls out himself and the coaching pretty consistently after any loss.

Zimmer's still miles better than his predecessor, and I'd laugh out loud at anyone that would prefer Chilly to him.

One issue with this team is dumb luck.  Last season, we had our best run-game-guru and OL coach die heading into the season, just before our most proven DL had a massive mental episode.  Xavier got bitten by the injury bug, as did Waynes, and our OL (reeling from a coach actually dying) was also down a major player.  Oh...and we had an OC that, left unchecked, essentially deserted the run game before being released.

You don't get combinations like that too often.  Even with all that, we were 2nd in the division and could have easily been a wild card team if our o-line had even played at a mediocre level.

Zimmer needs to do better, yes...but compared to what he replaced, he's miles above and beyond.

@"Purplewhizz" said: I have zero problem with these snowflakes being called out when they are getting paid huge contracts and not producing.  Why shouldn't it come with the territory?

I can’t understand why anyone would get on a coach’s case for publically calling out a high dollar, underperforming player. What should he do?? Praise the guy? Shit would hit the fan on ol’ Vikefans if that happened too...damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Maybe it’s a better idea to instead listen to the player call out the coach publically. That worked well for Mike McCarthy and the Packers front office didn’t it?

To clarify, I never said players should NOT be held accountable or "called out", whether publicly (although this is not ideal, IMO) or privately. 

In fact, I specifically gave examples of CHAMPIONSHIP winning coaches who have the equity to critique players in any fashion they choose.....because they have tangible results in their trophy cases. And Mikey stating "I need to coach better" is a far cry from FIRING people or telling them they're not earning their paychecks. I think he's taking too much from the Slick Rick playbook with the constant scape-goats.

Is he better than Tice, Frazier or Chilly? LMFAO! THAT'S the standard?! Wow, just, well, WOW. How about judging teams, front offices and coaches on PLAYOFF WINS. 13 YEARS - 2 playoff wins. 5 YEARS - 1 playoff win. Let's just compare that to a recent team....In the course of 2 WEEKS just last January, the Jacksonville Jaguars, Coughlin and Marrone won TWO playoff games ( 1 road game) and came very close to beating the Patriots on the road in the AFCCG.....and they certainly didn't EMBARRASS themselves in that game. That equals Schpielman's 13 seasons total and doubles Zimmer's 5 season total.

As far as "fanning better"?  There's something to that....Vikings fans historically have been far too accepting of mediocrity. Many seem to be content not to be the worst. It used to be "At least we're not the Bucs, Saints, Rams,Lions, Browns". That list has trickled down to the Lions and Browns, and by next year it might be down to just the Lions. Even the 1995 expansion Carolina Panthers have been to 2 Super Bowls this century....with 2 different GM's, 2 different HC's and 2 different QB's. And Viking fans STILL insist that this team has the BEST roster in the NFL?? SMH. If that's true, then it's apparent that the VIKINGS have the WORST coaching staff in NFL history, because some pretty average HC's have won, or at least MADE the SB (Fassel, Gruden, Switzer, Billick, Fox, Harbaugh(s), Quinn, Kubiak, etc.), and not all of them had the "best" roster in the NFL those years. Either fans are over valuing the players/coaches or the FO. Personally, I think it's a little of the former and a lot of the latter, but that's just me.

The whole (the team) should EXCEED the sum of it's parts (player/coaches). The Vikings just never add up, certainly not these past 13 seasons. The Vikings are currently in their WORST 13 year playoff run in their HISTORY.....their has never been a 13 year stretch with fewer than 2 playoff wins. That's over the course of 58 seasons, folks. Not good. 

I see no logical reason to anticipate any drastic turn around this season. Could it happen? Of course. Am I hoping it happens? Sure, it's too late for me to switch allegiance, I'm cursed with supporting this team. But I'm over the BLIND allegiance phase. I haven't been to a Vikings game since 2009, nor have I purchased any merchandise. I realize the Wilf's have tripled their investment in that time frame and don't give a rat's ass about a few thousand dollars from me, but if more fans followed suit, they might take notice that being the "the tallest midget" just doesn't measure up any longer for their fan base. We shall see. Here's hoping that RS and MZ prove me wrong, but I'll have to SEE it in order to believe it. 

@"prairieghost" said:

@"Purplewhizz" said: I have zero problem with these snowflakes being called out when they are getting paid huge contracts and not producing.  Why shouldn't it come with the territory?

Agree...the last time we coddled a star player it didn’t go so well. Please see the notorious case of #28 for further details.

I can’t understand why anyone would get on a coach’s case for publically calling out a high dollar, underperforming player. What should he do?? Praise the guy? Shit would hit the fan on ol’ Vikefans if that happened too...damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Maybe it’s a better idea to instead listen to the player call out the coach publically. That worked well for Mike McCarthy and the Packers front office didn’t it?

Clearly many of you don't supervise employees. You think making millions of dollars means these guys have suddenly adopted thick skin?

In my experience, every generation is getting thinner skinned and more sensitive than the previous one.

Has that always been the case historically? Of course. But the Internet and Social Media has exaggerated and exasperated the problem.

Kevin Durant uses burner accounts to anonymously argue with trolls on Twitter. Cyber bullying is probably more common than actual physical bullying for kids. Shit, workplace bullying is now a fireable offense.

Making millions doesn't turn your emotions off. And for generations used to living their lives online getting called out constantly in that forum, which the media feeds, is only going to work for certain personality types and not the majority of your players.

Generations change and management techniques change with them. At times Zimmer comes across like he's coaching the 85 Bears or one of Buddy Ryan's Eagles teams. Not sure how many successful Coaches in the League are still using that technique. 

@"FSUVike" said: Clearly many of you don't supervise employees. You think making millions of dollars means these guys have suddenly adopted thick skin?

In my experience, every generation is getting thinner skinned and more sensitive than the previous one.

Has that always been the case historically? Of course. But the Internet and Social Media has exaggerated and exasperated the problem.

Kevin Durant uses burner accounts to anonymously argue with trolls on Twitter. Cyber bullying is probably more common than actual physical bullying for kids. Shit, workplace bullying is now a fireable offense.

Making millions doesn't turn your emotions off. And for generations used to living their lives online getting called out constantly in that forum, which the media feeds, is only going to work for certain personality types and not the majority of your players.

Generations change and management techniques change with them. At times Zimmer comes across like he's coaching the 85 Bears or one of Buddy Ryan's Eagles teams. Not sure how many successful Coaches in the League are still using that technique. 

How I managed a millennial was in general very different than a Boomer. Gen x? Closer to a Boomer for sure. 

That said, we have to be careful not to paint with too broad a brush. Personality differences come into play and a good mgr will pick-up on those nuances. 

Zimsu is old school - not sure if that's a good thing with this new generation of players. NFL can be slow to change, but with McVay'itis sweeping the scene, it wouldn't surprise me if Zimmer is one of the last of his breed to get to coach at this level.

Didn't he do the same thing to Barr (said something like he coasts)
Sure Barr didn't play any better last year, but came running home after agreeing to sign with a different team.

@"FSUVike" said: Clearly many of you don't supervise employees. You think making millions of dollars means these guys have suddenly adopted thick skin?

In my experience, every generation is getting thinner skinned and more sensitive than the previous one.

Has that always been the case historically? Of course. But the Internet and Social Media has exaggerated and exasperated the problem.

Kevin Durant uses burner accounts to anonymously argue with trolls on Twitter. Cyber bullying is probably more common than actual physical bullying for kids. Shit, workplace bullying is now a fireable offense.

Making millions doesn't turn your emotions off. And for generations used to living their lives online getting called out constantly in that forum, which the media feeds, is only going to work for certain personality types and not the majority of your players.

Generations change and management techniques change with them. At times Zimmer comes across like he's coaching the 85 Bears or one of Buddy Ryan's Eagles teams. Not sure how many successful Coaches in the League are still using that technique. 

I don't think coddling works.  I don't think anything works... and we're all screwed once we get too old to prop them up.

@"prairieghost" said:

@"Purplewhizz" said: I have zero problem with these snowflakes being called out when they are getting paid huge contracts and not producing.  Why shouldn't it come with the territory?

Agree...the last time we coddled a star player it didn’t go so well. Please see the notorious case of #28 for further details.

I can’t understand why anyone would get on a coach’s case for publically calling out a high dollar, underperforming player. What should he do?? Praise the guy? Shit would hit the fan on ol’ Vikefans if that happened too...damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Maybe it’s a better idea to instead listen to the player call out the coach publically. That worked well for Mike McCarthy and the Packers front office didn’t it?

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"FSUVike" said: Clearly many of you don't supervise employees. You think making millions of dollars means these guys have suddenly adopted thick skin?

In my experience, every generation is getting thinner skinned and more sensitive than the previous one.

Has that always been the case historically? Of course. But the Internet and Social Media has exaggerated and exasperated the problem.

Kevin Durant uses burner accounts to anonymously argue with trolls on Twitter. Cyber bullying is probably more common than actual physical bullying for kids. Shit, workplace bullying is now a fireable offense.

Making millions doesn't turn your emotions off. And for generations used to living their lives online getting called out constantly in that forum, which the media feeds, is only going to work for certain personality types and not the majority of your players.

Generations change and management techniques change with them. At times Zimmer comes across like he's coaching the 85 Bears or one of Buddy Ryan's Eagles teams. Not sure how many successful Coaches in the League are still using that technique. 

As a leader of people for decades in big food marketing and manufacturing,  I can absolutely attest to how there are significant generational differences across employees.

How I managed a millennial was in general very different than a Boomer. Gen x? Closer to a Boomer for sure. 

That said, we have to be careful not to paint with too broad a brush. Personality differences come into play and a good mgr will pick-up on those nuances. 

Zimsu is old school - not sure if that's a good thing with this new generation of players. NFL can be slow to change, but with McVay'itis sweeping the scene, it wouldn't surprise me if Zimmer is one of the last of his breed to get to coach at this level.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"FSUVike" said: Clearly many of you don't supervise employees. You think making millions of dollars means these guys have suddenly adopted thick skin?

In my experience, every generation is getting thinner skinned and more sensitive than the previous one.

Has that always been the case historically? Of course. But the Internet and Social Media has exaggerated and exasperated the problem.

Kevin Durant uses burner accounts to anonymously argue with trolls on Twitter. Cyber bullying is probably more common than actual physical bullying for kids. Shit, workplace bullying is now a fireable offense.

Making millions doesn't turn your emotions off. And for generations used to living their lives online getting called out constantly in that forum, which the media feeds, is only going to work for certain personality types and not the majority of your players.

Generations change and management techniques change with them. At times Zimmer comes across like he's coaching the 85 Bears or one of Buddy Ryan's Eagles teams. Not sure how many successful Coaches in the League are still using that technique. 

As a leader of people for decades in big food marketing and manufacturing,  I can absolutely attest to how there are significant generational differences across employees.

How I managed a millennial was in general very different than a Boomer. Gen x? Closer to a Boomer for sure. 

That said, we have to be careful not to paint with too broad a brush. Personality differences come into play and a good mgr will pick-up on those nuances. 

Zimsu is old school - not sure if that's a good thing with this new generation of players. NFL can be slow to change, but with McVay'itis sweeping the scene, it wouldn't surprise me if Zimmer is one of the last of his breed to get to coach at this level.

Wow, sports might be different, but my impression of millennials (I work with a dozen of them) is that they're incredibly smart and incredibly driven. I hate all of 'em.

@"MaroonBells" said: Wow, sports might be different, but my impression of millennials (I work with a dozen of them) is that they're incredibly smart and incredibly driven. I hate all of 'em.

They are not that way in the field of physical work