Who says no?

Not me. If you do the trade value math, you're giving away Trae Waynes for a 4th rounder. Should be able to get more than that for Waynes. 

Throw in Josh Rosen? ;)

@"MaroonBells" said: Not me. If you do the trade value math, you're giving away Trae Waynes for a 4th rounder. Should be able to get more than that for Waynes. 

The Cardinals are at the top of the 4th round.  That is basically a comp pick. Getting the extra 5th and moving up in the 6th is good too. He is in his 5th year and any team trading for him only has the one year. That cannot be good for his value. If the Vikings keep him then they have to decide between him and Alexander next year because I do not think they can afford both.

Sounds like a great deal... for the Cards.  Me no likey.

Nope

If the Vikings really want some cap relief, it's a decent deal...  but I would rather keep Waynes unless we can get a 2nd round pick for him.

The thing about the first pick in round four is that it has additional value.  Because of the overnight break between founds 3 and 4, a lot of teams will want to move up to the Cardinals' pick in Rd 4 to take a player who slid out of Rd. 3.  It really is a catbird seat for someone like Spielman who would turn that pick into additional picks.

I am not sure you are going to get a second for Waynes because he does only have a year left.  I can see a third.  

I say Waynes for Rosen and the Cards 5th round pick.

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Not me. If you do the trade value math, you're giving away Trae Waynes for a 4th rounder. Should be able to get more than that for Waynes. 

The Cardinals are at the top of the 4th round.  That is basically a comp pick. Getting the extra 5th and moving up in the 6th is good too. He is in his 5th year and any team trading for him only has the one year. That cannot be good for his value. If the Vikings keep him then they have to decide between him and Alexander next year because I do not think they can afford both.

Waynes is way more valuable than that.  If we can't get a 2d round pick for him, then keep him. Kick this can down the road another year. He should net a 3d round comp pick eventually. And any team that trades for him will probably want to extend him. A CB of his quality at his age for $9M is not a bad deal at all. Behind him we have Hughes (who blew out his knee) and Hill - and we really cannot trust him yet.
One caveat: if we know we are not going to be in contention this year then sure, trade him for whatever we can get and start bringing in younger players.

@"JimmyinSD" said: I say Waynes for Rosen and the Cards 5th round pick.

unless the above were to happen, i would keep him for his value this year even if it meant letting waynes go in 20. you never know what can happen a year from now.

@"kmillard" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I say Waynes for Rosen and the Cards 5th round pick.

unless the above were to happen, i would keep him for his value this year even if it meant letting waynes go in 20. you never know what can happen a year from now.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I say Waynes for Rosen and the Cards 5th round pick.

unless the above were to happen, i would keep him for his value this year even if it meant letting waynes go in 20. you never know what can happen a year from now.

I think the team still needs to clear some cap space this year,  no better way than moving Waynes and getting a project QB (fills a need) and adding a draft pick in the process.  I dont really want to trade him,  but if he has another decent season its really unlikely we retain him next year from what I am seeing with our cap.

@"kmillard" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I say Waynes for Rosen and the Cards 5th round pick.

unless the above were to happen, i would keep him for his value this year even if it meant letting waynes go in 20. you never know what can happen a year from now.

I think the team still needs to clear some cap space this year,  no better way than moving Waynes and getting a project QB (fills a need) and adding a draft pick in the process.  I dont really want to trade him,  but if he has another decent season its really unlikely we retain him next year from what I am seeing with our cap.

agreed unless Rhodes gets old in 19 and you dump him next year? still think Griff should be cut. Zim has enough security blankets.

We'd only be dumping him for salary cap issues.  Otherwise he's our starter for 2019.  We'll need to find some salary cap somewhere.  Whether thats from a Waynes trade or from some cuts like Reiff or renegotiations who knows but we'll need to clear some room this year. 

I think trading Waynes for draft capital at this time is the right move.  He is young and probably still improving.Reading many of the comments he is considered pretty good.So the question is how much would it take to extend him in 2020?Here are some recent deals given to comparable players ...Trumaine Johnson - 5 years 72.5 mil
Desmond Trufant - 5 years 68.75 milAJ Bouye - 5 years 67.5 milStephon Gilmore - 5 years 65 milKyle Fuller - 4 years 56 milDarius Slay - 4 years 48.15 mil
How much is it going to take to keep Alexander in 2020?Here are some recent deals given to comparable players ...Justin Coleman - 4 years 36 milAaron Colvin - 4 years 34 mil
Travis Carrie - 4 years 31 mil
Bobby McCain - 4 years 27 milTavon Young - 3 years 25.8 mil.
Keeping Waynes at his 9 mil cap number for insurance purposes this year brings comfort but does not help down the line.I think the team has two years left before a few players will be on the decline.Reiff, Smith, Joseph, Rudoph, & Griffen could all be cap casualties in 2 years although Smith is the one player who could continue on effectively similar to Eric Weddle (I hope).
There are still plenty of free agent corners available that likely will get small deals (1 to 2 mil).
Morris Claiborne, Rashaan Melvin, Capt Munnerlyn, EJ Gaines, & Orlando Scandrick to name a few.
I just do not see the Vikings getting a high draft pick in return for Waynes considering he only has one year left on his deal and has not achieved any accolades like being named to the Pro Bowl.
I also and never a fan of waiting and hoping on a compensatory pick which comes a year later and could prevent you from improving in free agency.

It’s too late to trade Waynes for cap relief.  It’s not like we need to free up money to get
that top of the line OG.

The only reason to trade Waynes is to acquire draft capital
now, so if all we’re getting is a 4th and some change, I’d rather
use him for a year and get the comp pick later. 
We’re in the prime of our window right now.  We need talented players, not day 3
guys.  If we get a second, things get
interesting.

I'm not sure what Rosen has to do with anything.  We already have one QB we're not sure about (Cousins)... and another that we aren't sure about (Sloter).  Now we want to add another "maybe"?  The Vikes are committed to Cousins (which is a good thing, because- come hell or highwater- we have our "starter").  If, after another season like this, we remain unsure... then I think it's fair to start sniffing around for other options.  But if Arizona is willing to let him go, rather than build around him... shouldn't that say something?

@"medaille" said: It’s too late to trade Waynes for cap relief.  It’s not like we need to free up money to get that top of the line OG.

The only reason to trade Waynes is to acquire draft capital
now, so if all we’re getting is a 4th and some change, I’d rather
use him for a year and get the comp pick later. 
We’re in the prime of our window right now.  We need talented players, not day 3
guys.  If we get a second, things get
interesting.

Really good points and it makes the decision difficult.  But that 9 mil can go a long ways as well.
They could give Thielen and Alexander new deals now with that money.
Having the insurance may the corner position is nice but I think the draft capital and a younger player who is less expensive is probably the prudent thing to do.
Like if they draft Isaiah Johnson or Justin Layne with that 4th round pick and let Zimmer develop him.  They have him for 4 years for cheap.
I don't know.  I was just throwing it out there based on the reports that the Vikings were shopping Waynes at the combine and rumors that they still are.

All.it should tell you Pumpf is the Cardinals Owner and GM are idiots. They fired a coach after one season to hire a kid who got fired by his alma mater for not winning enough games cuz they're praying he's McVay-esque.

Rosen doesn't even remotely fit Kling's offensive system. That I why they would move him after trading up to get him the year before.

Bad FO in Arizona. Period. That doesn't mean Rosen will be good or anything, just that the Cardinals are are the new Cleveland Browns.