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Interesting... especially the OL amount.

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#1 · Mar 19, 3:04 PM
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LOL!  We're 31 but the Fish OL position is so small there's not enough room to put the "32" in the green!
But hey, they're also #1 in Dead Money!  Woo hoo!

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#2 · Mar 19, 3:09 PM
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I see why Teddy didn't want to go to Miami

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#3 · Mar 19, 3:16 PM
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Interesting differences in spending philosophies for sure...

Not surprised we're as low as we are on the OL. There's just no little talent there to have to pay for right now. 

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#4 · Mar 19, 3:26 PM
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I assume that our OL spending will go up, since (currently) we don't even have a starting 5.
I'm also going to guess that- when this graphic comes up a year from now- there's going to be a number of teams who are spending more on their QB position than we are.  In 2 years (when Cousins' contract is up) he'll probably be the 10th-15th highest paid QB.

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I think some of those rankings have to do with coaching as well.  NE is 28th and Tom Brady never gets touched and they continue to win super bowls.

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@"Purple Haze" said: I think some of those rankings have to do with coaching as well.  NE is 28th and Tom Brady never gets touched and they continue to win super bowls.
Yup.  You don't buy what you don't need. ;)
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@"Purple Haze" said: I think some of those rankings have to do with coaching as well.  NE is 28th and Tom Brady never gets touched and they continue to win super bowls.
Yah, I spent about a minute on it, so I could be off, but looking at team winning vs OL spend rank, the correlations didn't always hold. TB, Wash, Oak, ATL etc.
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#8 · Mar 19, 4:42 PM
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Well, we can be proud of that sliver of black. And we seem to have the kind of balance that most teams strive for, with most of the money going to the most important positions: QB, DL and DB. Very similar balance to the Patriots, with one obvious difference. 

The LB segment seems small considering Barr and Kendricks money, but I suppose most of the bigger LB outlays are 34 teams. 

With the Vikings likely drafting 2 or 3 offensive linemen on the 1st two days, and/or trading for 1 or 2 during or not long after, there will be a serious growin' of the green.

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Low dead money for us.  Way to go Brez.
Thought we would be higher on the DB spending.  And our QB spending is already down to 3.

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Dante Scarnechia or whatever the hell his last name is has a TON to do with how the Pats can be so good without spending a lot on their O-Line.

Look, Tony passing sucked. Period. But the fact that it happened didn't make him a great O-Line Coach. Or maybe a better way to say it is that he wasn't the right coach scheme-wise as he typically preffered power over athleticism (Willie Beavers).

Kubes and Dennison have a substantial track record. And that wasn't always with high draft picks or expensive FAs.

Part of the improvement in 2019 will come from existing players getting better. And part of the offseason plan so far probably has something to do with what the new coaches think about guys like Collins, Edison, Isadora and what they think Rick can get them in the Draft.

I also think too many people thought this was a good FA pool. It's not. There's no Whitworth or Norwell or Zeitler. Saffold was the best guy on the market and he's not young.

A team was anonymously quoted as saying this was literally the worst FA Pool combined with the most number of teams with tons of cap space that they'd ever seen. It's true.

Wanna know how I know? A former UDFA with like 17 total starts who's last 2 seasons ended due to injuries just got twice what he should have...to play a position he hasn't started at since 2016! If you haven't guessed it, his name is Nick Easton.

If you're honest with yourselves, really honest, how would you react to Rick giving that kind of money to someone with that same bio coming from another team?

I'm going to trust that Gary & Rick D. have been speaking at length with Kevin, Mike and Rick S. and that what's transpired to date isn't some massive failure by the team to lose a good player just to free up cap space to overpay some average to crappy guy that doesn't fit their vision.

Remember, Dante S. came out of retirement to fix the Pats O-Line and he did it without making wholesale changes to the personnel.

I'm not saying Kubiak and Dennison are as good as he has been. But they are inarguably better than anything we've seen in Minnesota since Tice. And arguably better than Mike was.

So let's stay a few feet back from the cliff's edge. Well, at least until Zimmer and Spielman go Defense with the first 4 picks, anyway ;)

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Listen to the Goessling and Krammer discussion posted by Thundergod.  It made me feel somewhat better about the O-Line issues the Vikings have.  Part of the discussion talked about part of the o-line problem has been a revolving door at Offensive Coordinator.  Norv wanted to run one type of blocking scheme, then he abruply left.  Then Schumer had a differerent scheme he wanted to run.  Then he left and left Sporano that had his own way, then he passed away bring us to the latest offensive coordinator.  There really hasnt been any time for the guys to build some continuity.  Maybe is Schumer would have stayed and the line played together in the same scheme for a second year in a row it could have been better last season.  

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@"greediron" said:
Low dead money for us.  Way to go Brez. Thought we would be higher on the DB spending.  And our QB spending is already down to 3.
Because MN back up QB/QB's are only at 645K
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