Waynes
A lot of great trade suggestions from the twit-o-sphere from fans of teams who need a corner, but all is quiet on the Waynes front. Waynes 2019 salary becomes fully guaranteed tomorrow. I'm assuming at 4 pm EST when the league year begins. Something has to happen soon....
“A gentleman is someone who can play the accordion, but doesn't." - Tom Waits
Or not. Hughes is coming back from a torn ACL that ended his rookie season pretty early. Hill is an undrafted rookie who may have marijuana issues and may be suspended at any time. In this market, $9M for a starting CB of Waynes' ability and 0 character issues is pretty cheap.
It's risky. There were at least 3 CBs that missed significant playing time last year, but team's up against the cap have to make tough decisions on good players. Hell, as of right now, the team is over the cap and absolutely have to sign a kicker. It maybe another draft a kicker year, as veterans may make too much.
I wonder if he is a re-structure candidate: to extend him... and give him more guaranteed money... but spread it out over more years?
@"silverjoel" said: It's risky. There were at least 3 CBs that missed significant playing time last year, but team's up against the cap have to make tough decisions on good players. Hell, as of right now, the team is over the cap and absolutely have to sign a kicker. It maybe another draft a kicker year, as veterans may make too much.Do we? Maybe we should just go for it on fourth down (if we're across the 50)... and go for 2 on each PAT. Kidding (kind of)...
@"pumpf" said: I wonder if he is a re-structure candidate: to extend him... and give him more guaranteed money... but spread it out over more years?
Definitely - if the team definitely wanted to keep him long-term, it has been their pattern to sign players before the final year of their contract starts.
But I think they are feverishly restructuring Rudolph and will waive Griffen tomorrow to get the space for Barr.
@"Jor-El" said:@"pumpf" said: I wonder if he is a re-structure candidate: to extend him... and give him more guaranteed money... but spread it out over more years?Definitely - if the team definitely wanted to keep him long-term, it has been their pattern to sign players before the final year of their contract starts.
But I think they are feverishly restructuring Rudolph and will waive Griffen tomorrow to get the space for Barr.
Sounds right to me. Does that leave them any space to go after a Tier 2 Guard?
I don't think it affects trading Waynes once his deal is guaranteed. If they do it then the other team would absorb the guaranteed amount.
I think there's a good chance to get a "53 man roster" quality CB from our UDFA process to be completely honest. Spielman and his crew get a decent group of guys together for camp after the draft and Zimmer is good at identifying who fits and stands out. DBs always seem to be a part of that process.
I think if you let Zim pick one guy at the position out of the UDFA class, that player will give all other newcomers at the position a good run for their money.
Unless you get a great offer I’d keep Wayne’s. He’s a good corner and great tackler. $9 million for a solid starting corner is reasonable. You get his services for another year and re-evaluate. A lot can happen in a year. If he walks, you’ll get a good compensatory pick.
I'd say it's 70-30 they move him today. Need the space. Hopefully a mid 2nd. Restructure Griffen and Rudolph, sign Easton, Tom Johnson and a kicker. Gives us 4 picks in first 4 rounds. Draft 2 OL, TE, WR and a DT in a later round.
@"MarkSP18" said: I don't think it affects trading Waynes once his deal is guaranteed. If they do it then the other team would absorb the guaranteed amount.
That is correct. The only money you retain on the cap is cash paid out of your pocked to the player (signing bonus, roster bonus, etc..). Regardless of guarantee if you haven't paid it, the responsibility is moved to the acquiring team.
Been trying to come up with some trade options for Waynes. Of course they could (and probably will) just trade him for draft picks, but considering the Vikings' interest in RT J. James, I suspect they're at least somewhat attracted to the idea of getting a RT, moving O'Neill to the left and then moving Reiff inside to RG.
Here are three names the Vikings might be interested in...
1. Braden Smith, RT, Colts, 22
Smith was drafted just last year in the 2nd round. He's slotted to be the starter there this year. Not a great fit in a zone and his value is high.
2. Germain Ifedi, RT, Seahawks, 24 years old
Drafted in the 1st round by the Seahawks in 2016 based on upside. Started 44 games in 3 seasons, but hasn't lived up to his 1st round billing. And they seem to like George Fant a little better there.
3. Joe Haeg, RT, Colts, 26 years old
Started 35 games the last 3 seasons, despite being drafted in the 5th round in 2016. Probably out of a starting job due to Braden Smith, but he has the athleticism to play in a zone, can play all over the line, and he's from Minneapolis. Went to college at NDSU.
The way they structured Barr's contact leaves room to fit Trae into the cap next season if they want to extend him.
@"Geoff Nichols" said: The way they structured Barr's contact leaves room to fit Trae into the cap next season if they want to extend him.Very curious to see what happens there. I like the idea of keeping the corners intact, but I keep looking over at the OL...as it sits...unimproved, while $84M of fully guaranteed money is hobbled until it is. And by losing Richardson a DT at 18 is going to be very tempting.
@"MaroonBells" said:even with Richardson a DT would be tempting in this draft, but losing a 3T in Richardson and adding back a more traditional guy in Stepehens makes me think that DT is still very much in play. I am really wondering about one of those Iowa TEs as well. and honestly ... I dont do mock drafts, but as I was goofing around the other day I damn near selected the Ohio State QB when the Vikings slot came up.. wouldnt that set people on their ears?@"Geoff Nichols" said: The way they structured Barr's contact leaves room to fit Trae into the cap next season if they want to extend him. Very curious to see what happens there. I like the idea of keeping the corners intact, but I keep looking over at the OL...as it sits...unimproved, while $84M of fully guaranteed money is hobbled until it is. And by losing Richardson a DT at 18 is going to be very tempting.
@"MaroonBells" said:The O-line is literally a black hole at this point considering they don't even have a guard with experience on the roster. The rest of free agency will probably help shape the draft a little more. Barr was probably the kingpin since it now has opened up what I deem to be the most possibilities moving forward. At a minimum they will resign Easton and if not him someone who can compete for one of the interior spots with Aviante Collins. Then they'll definitely be adding 2-3 bodies through the draft.@"Geoff Nichols" said: The way they structured Barr's contact leaves room to fit Trae into the cap next season if they want to extend him. Very curious to see what happens there. I like the idea of keeping the corners intact, but I keep looking over at the OL...as it sits...unimproved, while $84M of fully guaranteed money is hobbled until it is. And by losing Richardson a DT at 18 is going to be very tempting.D-line as a whole, Interior O-line, and TE are all deep which happen to be arguably some of the bigger needs. You should be able to find a starting caliber player day 1 at any of those position groups in each of rounds 1-3. Nice that they don't need to find a LB in a thin class.
EDIT - one more point to add. Although they haven't spent a ton of money on the O-line, think about the cost control if they were able to draft starters... Given the current NFL marketplace if they could successfully pull that off it'd give you the advantage teams with rookie QB's have.
i think we will come out of the draft with two starting off linemen
@"Viking1987" said: i think we will come out of the draft with two starting off linemen
You really only have to come out of it with one starter in the sense that you will move O'Neill over to LT and move Reiff to LG. If you can hit on just one lineman early... That gives you essentially an all new line.
@"Canthony" said:@"Viking1987" said: i think we will come out of the draft with two starting off linemenYou really only have to come out of it with one starter in the sense that you will move O'Neill over to LT and move Reiff to LG. If you can hit on just one lineman early... That gives you essentially an all new line.
how does moving 2 starters to new positions eliminate the need for 1 new starter?
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Canthony" said:@"Viking1987" said: i think we will come out of the draft with two starting off linemenYou really only have to come out of it with one starter in the sense that you will move O'Neill over to LT and move Reiff to LG. If you can hit on just one lineman early... That gives you essentially an all new line.
how does moving 2 starters to new positions eliminate the need for 1 new starter?Moving O'Neill to the LT spot allows us to fix the LG spot as you would move Reiff over. That fixes your LG spot and (assuming you resign) you can move Easton to RG. You will draft a G/T in the first round, and if you hit, you have your RG or RT fixed as well.
We really only need one new starter out of the draft as you have a RT and RG if need be in Collins and Easton/Jones (assuming we resign one of them
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