Does anyone really believe Kyler Murray will be the #1 pick

I have my doubts about Murray (mostly his character), but he measured much taller (5-10) and heavier (over 200) than the 5-8, 180 many were fearing. KK in Arizona said in the past that if he had the 1st pick in the draft, he'd take Kyler Murray. It's believable because he's a perfect fit for what KK likes to do. 

I think it's believable. But it may be just SO believable that it drives the value of that top pick through the roof...for a team who didn't just draft a QB last year. 

Don’t count out the Raiders, they’ve been filling holes prior to the draft aggressively...  :o

@"MaroonBells" said: I have my doubts about Murray (mostly his character), but he measured much taller (5-10) and heavier (over 200) than the 5-8, 180 many were fearing. KK in Arizona said in the past that if he had the 1st pick in the draft, he'd take Kyler Murray. It's believable because he's a perfect fit for what KK likes to do. 

I think it's believable. But it may be just SO believable that it drives the value of that top pick through the roof...for a team who didn't just draft a QB last year. 

I understand your first point, that Kingsbury might draft him, but I don't know what you mean in your last paragraph - sounds like you are talking about a team trading up to pick Murray?
My thinking is that the Cardinals might pick Murray #1, but not necessarily any other team, so if Kingsbury is bluffing to build trade interest, everyone is going to say, "Go ahead, pick him." I think he either goes #1 to Arizona or drops to much later in round 1. It's not just size or character, it's also whether 1 season in the Big 12 really shows whether he can read NFL coverages.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I have my doubts about Murray (mostly his character), but he measured much taller (5-10) and heavier (over 200) than the 5-8, 180 many were fearing. KK in Arizona said in the past that if he had the 1st pick in the draft, he'd take Kyler Murray. It's believable because he's a perfect fit for what KK likes to do. 

I think it's believable. But it may be just SO believable that it drives the value of that top pick through the roof...for a team who didn't just draft a QB last year. 

I understand your first point, that Kingsbury might draft him, but I don't know what you mean in your last paragraph - sounds like you are talking about a team trading up to pick Murray?

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I have my doubts about Murray (mostly his character), but he measured much taller (5-10) and heavier (over 200) than the 5-8, 180 many were fearing. KK in Arizona said in the past that if he had the 1st pick in the draft, he'd take Kyler Murray. It's believable because he's a perfect fit for what KK likes to do. 

I think it's believable. But it may be just SO believable that it drives the value of that top pick through the roof...for a team who didn't just draft a QB last year. 

I understand your first point, that Kingsbury might draft him, but I don't know what you mean in your last paragraph - sounds like you are talking about a team trading up to pick Murray?

That's exactly what I meant. Whether KK wants him or not, it's in his best interest for everyone to believe he does. Remember, there are teams (the current Rams and the 90s Cowboys for example) that have been built on the big hauls of draft picks acquired from a team looking for that ONE player.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I have my doubts about Murray (mostly his character), but he measured much taller (5-10) and heavier (over 200) than the 5-8, 180 many were fearing. KK in Arizona said in the past that if he had the 1st pick in the draft, he'd take Kyler Murray. It's believable because he's a perfect fit for what KK likes to do. 

I think it's believable. But it may be just SO believable that it drives the value of that top pick through the roof...for a team who didn't just draft a QB last year. 

I understand your first point, that Kingsbury might draft him, but I don't know what you mean in your last paragraph - sounds like you are talking about a team trading up to pick Murray?

That's exactly what I meant. Whether KK wants him or not, it's in his best interest for everyone to believe he does. Remember, there are teams (the current Rams and the 90s Cowboys for example) that have been built on the big hauls of draft picks acquired from a team looking for that ONE player.

OK, I see what you mean. I don't really think it will work - no other team seems as impressed with Murray as Arizona - but they can try.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I have my doubts about Murray (mostly his character), but he measured much taller (5-10) and heavier (over 200) than the 5-8, 180 many were fearing. KK in Arizona said in the past that if he had the 1st pick in the draft, he'd take Kyler Murray. It's believable because he's a perfect fit for what KK likes to do. 

I think it's believable. But it may be just SO believable that it drives the value of that top pick through the roof...for a team who didn't just draft a QB last year. 

I understand your first point, that Kingsbury might draft him, but I don't know what you mean in your last paragraph - sounds like you are talking about a team trading up to pick Murray?
My thinking is that the Cardinals might pick Murray #1, but not necessarily any other team, so if Kingsbury is bluffing to build trade interest, everyone is going to say, "Go ahead, pick him." I think he either goes #1 to Arizona or drops to much later in round 1. It's not just size or character, it's also whether 1 season in the Big 12 really shows whether he can read NFL coverages.

@"Purple Haze" said: I really don’t see it happening. IMO he is just too small. When drafted he will be the shortest QB in the NFL.  Russell Wilson is 5’11”, Drew Brees is 6’0” and Tyrod Taylor 6’1”. There is a possibility he could be great but I cannot believe there is a GM out there willing to risk his job and his teams near future on a 5’10”.  I definetly think he will be drafted, maybe toward the end of the first round but at #1 just seems too risky.  

The last time I saw this much hype for a short QB was that "sure thing" guy out of A&M...I can't recall the name.  You know....the guy who had "it"...that set of "intangibles" that were off the chart that can't be coached...you know, the guy with that "winning attitude."  Oh, heck...what was his name.... ;)
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/oklahomasooners/2019/02/11/report-kyler-murray-hires-football-agent-ties-johnny-manziel-kliff-kingsbury

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I have my doubts about Murray (mostly his character), but he measured much taller (5-10) and heavier (over 200) than the 5-8, 180 many were fearing. KK in Arizona said in the past that if he had the 1st pick in the draft, he'd take Kyler Murray. It's believable because he's a perfect fit for what KK likes to do. 

I think it's believable. But it may be just SO believable that it drives the value of that top pick through the roof...for a team who didn't just draft a QB last year. 

I understand your first point, that Kingsbury might draft him, but I don't know what you mean in your last paragraph - sounds like you are talking about a team trading up to pick Murray?
My thinking is that the Cardinals might pick Murray #1, but not necessarily any other team, so if Kingsbury is bluffing to build trade interest, everyone is going to say, "Go ahead, pick him." I think he either goes #1 to Arizona or drops to much later in round 1. It's not just size or character, it's also whether 1 season in the Big 12 really shows whether he can read NFL coverages.

Are you saying Mayfield's 2 years in the Big 12 taught him how to read NFL Defenses but Murray only starting 1 year didn't?

not a first, maybe a 2nd he just doesn't have the measurables.

KYLER MURRAYQB, OKLAHOMA SOONERS
NFL Media's Daniel Jeremiah predicts that the Cardinals will draft Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray with the No. 1 overall pick.This has become the consensus, but we'll take Jeremiah's conviction on Murray (5'10/207) to Arizona to dig our heals deeper into that speculation, especially since Jeremiah was with NFL scouts and executives at Murray's pro day earlier this afternoon. Everyone, including Jeremiah, walked away impressed with his velocity and accuracy, not that those throws really matter. What actually matters to the Cardinals is how much draft capital they can fetch if they opt to trade Josh Rosen. While there was no insight on that today, Jeremiah did "guess" that Rosen will be starting in the NFC East. An interesting option would be for the Giants to flip the newly acquired No. 17 overall pick in exchange for Rosen.
SOURCE: Around the NFL on Twitter

Why not? Size doesn't mean much if you are highly athletic in the Russell Wilson mold, and that's what this kid is like. There's never been a higher level of athlete on the D-line as in today's NFL and this new QB prototype doesn't come along that often.

@"StickyBun" said: Why not? Size doesn't mean much if you are highly athletic in the Russell Wilson mold, and that's what this kid is like. There's never been a higher level of athlete on the D-line as in today's NFL and this new QB prototype doesn't come along that often.

Really - short running QBs don't come out of college football often? JC Watts must be wishing he was born in the '90s. It used to be the most common thing, Oklahoma and Texas churned them out annually.  But 10 years ago, NFL teams would have been asking Murray to do RB and CB drills. I think a lot of NFL execs still look at Russell Wilson as an exception. If Murray succeeds as well, that will change - and then you will see a slew of shorter QBs.