Brown to the Raiders

I'm sure this is going to be great for their locker room...

@"BarrNone55" said:

ANTONIO BROWNWR, OAKLAND RAIDERS

Raiders acquired WR Antonio Brown from the Steelers in exchange for third- and fifth-round picks. Brown's problem will be his severe downgrade at quarterback. He will probably reach 1,200 yards for the seventh consecutive season, but Derek Carr won't make it easy. SOURCE: Profootballtalk on Twitter

@"Jor-El" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

ANTONIO BROWNWR, OAKLAND RAIDERS

Raiders acquired WR Antonio Brown from the Steelers in exchange for third- and fifth-round picks. Brown's problem will be his severe downgrade at quarterback. He will probably reach 1,200 yards for the seventh consecutive season, but Derek Carr won't make it easy. SOURCE: Profootballtalk on Twitter

Actually, I think Brown will make Carr look like an excellent QB again. People have extremely short memories.

Good. Now maybe they can talk about something else for a change!

AB in Vegas???

Oh the hilarity that will ensue! 

Brown is getting ripped by everyone when it is the Steelers who have handled things poorly ...
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26186487/grading-antonio-brown-trade-steelers-raiders-won
After Brown’s second year in the league yielded an 1,108-yard
season, the team gave the 2010 sixth-round pick a considerable raise by
signing him to a five-year, $42 million extension with an $8.5 million
signing bonus. The Steelers were only able to sign Brown after two
seasons because he was drafted under the old CBA
In Year 4, Brown broke out as one of the top wideouts in the
league with a 1,499-yard campaign. From 2013 to ’16, Brown averaged —
averaged — 120 catches, 1,578 yards and 11 touchdowns per season.
Because he was under contract through the end of the 2017 season,
though, the Steelers were able to pay Brown just $28.8 million over that
four-year span, which is a little more than the annual average salary
guys such as Robert Meachem and Laurent Robinson were getting in free
agency. Former Steelers teammate Mike Wallace hit free agency and netted
a five-year, $60 million deal with the Dolphins that paid him $36.9
million over three seasons before he was cut after 2015.

After waiting for years to get his contract, Brown got $19 million
guaranteed when he signed his deal, all in the signing bonus. Throw in a
$910,000 base salary and Brown took home $19.9 million in 2017 as part
of a four-year, $68 million extension. That’s good money, of course, but
when DeAndre Hopkins signed his extension six months later, he took
home $24 million in 2017 and still had a $12.5 million guaranteed base
salary for the following season. Brandin Cooks’ extension paid $11
million in Year 1, but the structure of the deal basically guarantees
he’ll take home $63.5 million over the next four seasons. Brown only
gets to that ballpark if he continues to be great.

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As you can see, the Steelers got a FANTASTIC
return from Brown while paying him about 7.2 mil per year for 4
straight years while he was averaging those 120 catches, 1,578 yards and
11 touchdowns per season.
They then only give him 19 mil guaranteed.
The Vikings have Hunter and Diggs 40 mil guaranteed and Rhodes 32.5 mil guaranteed.
The Vikings need to do something about Thielen because his situation is similar in terms of pay vs production.
But most people want to paint Brown as the bad guy here.
The Steelers are losing Bell and Brown plus they get to absorb 21 mil in dead money this year.
Maybe that is a good way to run your team?

Good for him for making the most of the situation. 

Look at it this way, the Raiders traded Cooper, a #3, & a #5 for Brown & a #1, not bad...

Brown got his second contract 2 years earlier than is
typical because they resigned him after his second year.  His 3rd contract made him the
highest paid WR in the league at the time at $17M, which he fully had a ton of
leverage during negotiation.  Let’s not
pretend like he’s this massive victim or that he wasn’t going to get paid.  All he had to do was show up, but he made a giant
hissy fit to get out of his existing contract.

This is a tough precedence to set, because on the one hand,
you’ve got to try to keep your players happy, but on the other hand they paid
the man and he wasn’t happy anyway and it still bit them in the ass, so how do
you protect yourself from that?

@"medaille" said: Brown got his second contract 2 years earlier than is typical because they resigned him after his second year.  His 3rd contract made him the highest paid WR in the league at the time at $17M, which he fully had a ton of leverage during negotiation.  Let’s not pretend like he’s this massive victim or that he wasn’t going to get paid.  All he had to do was show up, but he made a giant hissy fit to get out of his existing contract.

This is a tough precedence to set, because on the one hand,
you’ve got to try to keep your players happy, but on the other hand they paid
the man and he wasn’t happy anyway and it still bit them in the ass, so how do
you protect yourself from that?

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"medaille" said: Brown got his second contract 2 years earlier than is typical because they resigned him after his second year.  His 3rd contract made him the highest paid WR in the league at the time at $17M, which he fully had a ton of leverage during negotiation.  Let’s not pretend like he’s this massive victim or that he wasn’t going to get paid.  All he had to do was show up, but he made a giant hissy fit to get out of his existing contract.

This is a tough precedence to set, because on the one hand,
you’ve got to try to keep your players happy, but on the other hand they paid
the man and he wasn’t happy anyway and it still bit them in the ass, so how do
you protect yourself from that?

Perhaps?  But the dude performed monstrously for 4 years while only making 28 mil over that time frame.
He never said a peep then.  It was only after they gave him the crappy deal (his agent's fault really) that he was pissed.
The Vikings could be in the same boat with Thielen who is outperforming his contract.
They gave him a deal after only one season of production.
Why should they give him a raise?
His agent already came out again this off season and mentioned his contract was not up to par.
Only thing left is for Thielen to start complaining.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"medaille" said: Brown got his second contract 2 years earlier than is typical because they resigned him after his second year.  His 3rd contract made him the highest paid WR in the league at the time at $17M, which he fully had a ton of leverage during negotiation.  Let’s not pretend like he’s this massive victim or that he wasn’t going to get paid.  All he had to do was show up, but he made a giant hissy fit to get out of his existing contract.

This is a tough precedence to set, because on the one hand,
you’ve got to try to keep your players happy, but on the other hand they paid
the man and he wasn’t happy anyway and it still bit them in the ass, so how do
you protect yourself from that?

Perhaps?  But the dude performed monstrously for 4 years while only making 28 mil over that time frame.
He never said a peep then.  It was only after they gave him the crappy deal (his agent's fault really) that he was pissed.
The Vikings could be in the same boat with Thielen who is outperforming his contract.
They gave him a deal after only one season of production.
Why should they give him a raise?
His agent already came out again this off season and mentioned his contract was not up to par.
Only thing left is for Thielen to start complaining.

I will say the same for brown as I do for Theilen,  if you have a shitty contract that is on you and your agent,  be a man and honor your contract....of course I say the same thing about teams that dick players around.  I am so ready for guaranteed contracts in the NFL with benchmarks for performance to protect teams from turds that get their money and then slough off.

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"medaille" said: Brown got his second contract 2 years earlier than is typical because they resigned him after his second year.  His 3rd contract made him the highest paid WR in the league at the time at $17M, which he fully had a ton of leverage during negotiation.  Let’s not pretend like he’s this massive victim or that he wasn’t going to get paid.  All he had to do was show up, but he made a giant hissy fit to get out of his existing contract.

This is a tough precedence to set, because on the one hand,
you’ve got to try to keep your players happy, but on the other hand they paid
the man and he wasn’t happy anyway and it still bit them in the ass, so how do
you protect yourself from that?

Perhaps?  But the dude performed monstrously for 4 years while only making 28 mil over that time frame.
He never said a peep then.  It was only after they gave him the crappy deal (his agent's fault really) that he was pissed.
The Vikings could be in the same boat with Thielen who is outperforming his contract.
They gave him a deal after only one season of production.
Why should they give him a raise?
His agent already came out again this off season and mentioned his contract was not up to par.
Only thing left is for Thielen to start complaining.

@"medaille" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"medaille" said: Brown got his second contract 2 years earlier than is typical because they resigned him after his second year.  His 3rd contract made him the highest paid WR in the league at the time at $17M, which he fully had a ton of leverage during negotiation.  Let’s not pretend like he’s this massive victim or that he wasn’t going to get paid.  All he had to do was show up, but he made a giant hissy fit to get out of his existing contract.

This is a tough precedence to set, because on the one hand,
you’ve got to try to keep your players happy, but on the other hand they paid
the man and he wasn’t happy anyway and it still bit them in the ass, so how do
you protect yourself from that?

Perhaps?  But the dude performed monstrously for 4 years while only making 28 mil over that time frame.
He never said a peep then.  It was only after they gave him the crappy deal (his agent's fault really) that he was pissed.
The Vikings could be in the same boat with Thielen who is outperforming his contract.
They gave him a deal after only one season of production.
Why should they give him a raise?
His agent already came out again this off season and mentioned his contract was not up to par.
Only thing left is for Thielen to start complaining.

I can totally understand Brown and Thielen being a little
bit miffed for signing a contract one year too early and not getting as much
money as they could have if they had waited.

But Brown not being happy with his contract 1 year into his
brand new deal, that he negotiated for while having all the leverage a WR can
possibly have is ridiculous and childish.

The Vikings will have to take care of Thielen at some point,
but it’s not the same situation because Brown is pissed at his best in the
league deal and Thielen is still underpaid.

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"medaille" said: Brown got his second contract 2 years earlier than is typical because they resigned him after his second year.  His 3rd contract made him the highest paid WR in the league at the time at $17M, which he fully had a ton of leverage during negotiation.  Let’s not pretend like he’s this massive victim or that he wasn’t going to get paid.  All he had to do was show up, but he made a giant hissy fit to get out of his existing contract.

This is a tough precedence to set, because on the one hand,
you’ve got to try to keep your players happy, but on the other hand they paid
the man and he wasn’t happy anyway and it still bit them in the ass, so how do
you protect yourself from that?

Perhaps?  But the dude performed monstrously for 4 years while only making 28 mil over that time frame.
He never said a peep then.  It was only after they gave him the crappy deal (his agent's fault really) that he was pissed.
The Vikings could be in the same boat with Thielen who is outperforming his contract.
They gave him a deal after only one season of production.
Why should they give him a raise?
His agent already came out again this off season and mentioned his contract was not up to par.
Only thing left is for Thielen to start complaining.

I can totally understand Brown and Thielen being a little
bit miffed for signing a contract one year too early and not getting as much
money as they could have if they had waited.

But Brown not being happy with his contract 1 year into his
brand new deal, that he negotiated for while having all the leverage a WR can
possibly have is ridiculous and childish.

The Vikings will have to take care of Thielen at some point,
but it’s not the same situation because Brown is pissed at his best in the
league deal and Thielen is still underpaid.

His deal was only the best on paper.  Hopkins signed a deal a several months later for 5 year 81 mil with 49 mil guaranteed.
Diggs got 30 mil guaranteed.  After but still.
The issue is and has been that the Steelers do not guarantee much.  It is Brown's fault for sure.  He has himself and his agent to blame.
But they had the same problem with Bell.
All I know is Brown EARNED every penny of what they paid him and deserved more guaranteed.
So glad the Vikings did not do that kind of deal with Diggs.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"medaille" said: Brown got his second contract 2 years earlier than is typical because they resigned him after his second year.  His 3rd contract made him the highest paid WR in the league at the time at $17M, which he fully had a ton of leverage during negotiation.  Let’s not pretend like he’s this massive victim or that he wasn’t going to get paid.  All he had to do was show up, but he made a giant hissy fit to get out of his existing contract.

This is a tough precedence to set, because on the one hand,
you’ve got to try to keep your players happy, but on the other hand they paid
the man and he wasn’t happy anyway and it still bit them in the ass, so how do
you protect yourself from that?

Perhaps?  But the dude performed monstrously for 4 years while only making 28 mil over that time frame.
He never said a peep then.  It was only after they gave him the crappy deal (his agent's fault really) that he was pissed.
The Vikings could be in the same boat with Thielen who is outperforming his contract.
They gave him a deal after only one season of production.
Why should they give him a raise?
His agent already came out again this off season and mentioned his contract was not up to par.
Only thing left is for Thielen to start complaining.

I can totally understand Brown and Thielen being a little
bit miffed for signing a contract one year too early and not getting as much
money as they could have if they had waited.

But Brown not being happy with his contract 1 year into his
brand new deal, that he negotiated for while having all the leverage a WR can
possibly have is ridiculous and childish.

The Vikings will have to take care of Thielen at some point,
but it’s not the same situation because Brown is pissed at his best in the
league deal and Thielen is still underpaid.

His deal was only the best on paper.  Hopkins signed a deal a several months later for 5 year 81 mil with 49 mil guaranteed.
Diggs got 30 mil guaranteed.  After but still.
The issue is and has been that the Steelers do not guarantee much.  It is Brown's fault for sure.  He has himself and his agent to blame.
But they had the same problem with Bell.
All I know is Brown EARNED every penny of what they paid him and deserved more guaranteed.
So glad the Vikings did not do that kind of deal with Diggs.

then he shouldnt have signed such a long term deal.... these guys want the security of multiple years with big dollars to stroke their egos,  and then bitch when somebody one ups them.  if they want to always be the highest paid player then they better be ready to take 1 year deals and take the risk on themselves instead of the team carrying that risk if they are injured or something else that causes their performance to tail off.

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"medaille" said: Brown got his second contract 2 years earlier than is typical because they resigned him after his second year.  His 3rd contract made him the highest paid WR in the league at the time at $17M, which he fully had a ton of leverage during negotiation.  Let’s not pretend like he’s this massive victim or that he wasn’t going to get paid.  All he had to do was show up, but he made a giant hissy fit to get out of his existing contract.

This is a tough precedence to set, because on the one hand,
you’ve got to try to keep your players happy, but on the other hand they paid
the man and he wasn’t happy anyway and it still bit them in the ass, so how do
you protect yourself from that?

Perhaps?  But the dude performed monstrously for 4 years while only making 28 mil over that time frame.
He never said a peep then.  It was only after they gave him the crappy deal (his agent's fault really) that he was pissed.
The Vikings could be in the same boat with Thielen who is outperforming his contract.
They gave him a deal after only one season of production.
Why should they give him a raise?
His agent already came out again this off season and mentioned his contract was not up to par.
Only thing left is for Thielen to start complaining.

I can totally understand Brown and Thielen being a little
bit miffed for signing a contract one year too early and not getting as much
money as they could have if they had waited.

But Brown not being happy with his contract 1 year into his
brand new deal, that he negotiated for while having all the leverage a WR can
possibly have is ridiculous and childish.

The Vikings will have to take care of Thielen at some point,
but it’s not the same situation because Brown is pissed at his best in the
league deal and Thielen is still underpaid.

His deal was only the best on paper.  Hopkins signed a deal a several months later for 5 year 81 mil with 49 mil guaranteed.
Diggs got 30 mil guaranteed.  After but still.
The issue is and has been that the Steelers do not guarantee much.  It is Brown's fault for sure.  He has himself and his agent to blame.
But they had the same problem with Bell.
All I know is Brown EARNED every penny of what they paid him and deserved more guaranteed.
So glad the Vikings did not do that kind of deal with Diggs.

then he shouldnt have signed such a long term deal.... these guys want the security of multiple years with big dollars to stroke their egos,  and then bitch when somebody one ups them.  if they want to always be the highest paid player then they better be ready to take 1 year deals and take the risk on themselves instead of the team carrying that risk if they are injured or something else that causes their performance to tail off.

Brown's performance has not tailed off though.  I already said it was his agent's fault.
Don't matter to me.  I think the Steelers are to blame in this situation.  You do not.  It's cool.
I hope the Vikings take care of Thielen.