Interesting tidbit from Peter King in his weekly FMIA column today .......

I think its a very credible question. The players the coaches are given and how many injuries that a team has in any particular year are WAY more influential in the outcome of wins and losses than actual coaching in most cases. The GM should be held much more accountable than they are. And in defense of both a GM and HC, a damn slew of injuries above what is normal can undermine a talented and well coached team. 

The buck seems to stop with the head coach: and I do think the reason a GM isn't under the same kind of scrutiny is because they have a closer relationship with ownership. 

It used to be pretty common for GM and HC to depart simultaneously, so this is an interesting change. IMO it is a scapegoating mentality, in which a HC is just the last resort for a GM to place blame after first cutting a few kickers, blaming injuries, firing coordinators, etc....

So it isn't evil Rick and his master plan to ruin the Vikings... It is evil Rick and his plan to ruin the NFL.  Wow.
GMs hire the coaches and work with the coaches to get the players.  GMs likely have a bit of a longer leash than the coaches because they are higher up the food chain.  And to be fair, didn't several GMs change last year?  Cleveland.  Tampa perhaps? 

@"greediron" said:

So it isn't evil Rick and his master plan to ruin the Vikings... It is evil Rick and his plan to ruin the NFL.  Wow. GMs hire the coaches and work with the coaches to get the players.  GMs likely have a bit of a longer leash than the coaches because they are higher up the food chain.  And to be fair, didn't several GMs change last year?  Cleveland.  Tampa perhaps? 

I didn't read it like that at all - IMO the article says that the "blameless GM" phenomenon which has benefitted Spielman is actually widespread and helping other GMs around the league. Never heard any suggestion that Spielman has reach beyond the Vikings.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"greediron" said:

So it isn't evil Rick and his master plan to ruin the Vikings... It is evil Rick and his plan to ruin the NFL.  Wow. GMs hire the coaches and work with the coaches to get the players.  GMs likely have a bit of a longer leash than the coaches because they are higher up the food chain.  And to be fair, didn't several GMs change last year?  Cleveland.  Tampa perhaps? 

I didn't read it like that at all - IMO the article says that the "blameless GM" phenomenon which has benefitted Spielman is actually widespread and helping other GMs around the league. Never heard any suggestion that Spielman has reach beyond the Vikings.

@"greediron" said:

So it isn't evil Rick and his master plan to ruin the Vikings... It is evil Rick and his plan to ruin the NFL.  Wow. GMs hire the coaches and work with the coaches to get the players.  GMs likely have a bit of a longer leash than the coaches because they are higher up the food chain.  And to be fair, didn't several GMs change last year?  Cleveland.  Tampa perhaps? 

I'm going to pay you the compliment (no matter how undeserved) of assuming that you are really not that STUPID, and you're just intentionally being obtuse/naive.

First, these were the observations of a current NFL coach and Peter King (a well respected NFL journalist for, oh, maybe 4 DECADES!). I defy you to identify where anything implies a master plan by L'il Ricky!  What a crock of shit observation!  First off, he's already PROVEN of being incapable of ANY MASTER PLAN other than to oversee the worst stretch of playoff impotence in VIKINGS HISTORY (sorry for the use of the term "impotence"...I have no doubt that strikes home for you). He is woefully ill-equipped to initate a plan against the NFL! The fact that you even posted that asinine drivel isn't even funny, it's flat out pathetic! 

Second, you conveniently have NO smarmy ass retort to Saint Richard's Error (sorry, "era") of Playoff Impotence (dangit, sorry, I did it again!).

No surprise there...,.because there is NO "excuse" or "explanation" for such a lengthy stretch of playoff WINLESS-NESS (not a current word, patent pending. I'm thinking Schpielmillenia, but nothing is finalized yet)

It has NEVER been achieved before in Minnesota Vikings HISTORY! FACT.

Oh, one other log on the fire, Schpielman was running the personnel show for the ABSOLUTE WORST VIKINGS SEASON EVER. (3-13 ring any bells?)

BTW, this will be the last time I will afford you the opportunity of being intentionally naive. If you continue to defend (and EMBRACE) 2 for 13, then you are, in fact, just stupid. Sorry for the bad news. 

@"StickyBun" said: I think its a very credible question. The players the coaches are given and how many injuries that a team has in any particular year are WAY more influential in the outcome of wins and losses than actual coaching in most cases. The GM should be held much more accountable than they are. And in defense of both a GM and HC, a damn slew of injuries above what is normal can undermine a talented and well coached team. 

The buck seems to stop with the head coach: and I do think the reason a GM isn't under the same kind of scrutiny is because they have a closer relationship with ownership. 

It's because teams make so much money by following media trends that the games are a charade.

@"BlackMagic7" said: It's because teams make so much money by following media trends that the games are a charade.

Sorry if I am mis-interpreting your post. Just don't understand what you're implying.

Peace.

The exact opposite. I think they could care less what the outcome of the game is, as long as teams turn profit irregardless of their records (and they are). A new coach breeds excitement and curiosity. Firing your G.M. is like upending the apple cart.

Look at how we react to the notion of firing Spielman. The concept of "rebuilding" and the process of "rebuilding" has some kind of draining energy that no one wants to be a part of. I bet "the man in charge" wants nothing to do with that either, because declining interest means less money all around.

That's what I mean by "charade." It's more sarcasm and jest than anything, but the older I get watching this league the more I feel it.

@"njvike" said:

Oh, another little FACT that I stumbled upon : Did you know that the current 13 season stretch of Playoff Win futility is unmatched in the HISTORY of the Vikings franchise? It's true......there has NEVER been such a prolonged stretch with such playoff incompetence. NEVER. SMH.

@"BlackMagic7" said: The exact opposite. I think they could care less what the outcome of the game is, as long as teams turn profit irregardless of their records (and they are). A new coach breeds excitement and curiosity. Firing your G.M. is like upending the apple cart.

Look at how we react to the notion of firing Spielman. The concept of "rebuilding" and the process of "rebuilding" has some kind of draining energy that no one wants to be a part of. I bet "the man in charge" wants nothing to do with that either, because declining interest means less money all around.

That's what I mean by "charade." It's more sarcasm and jest than anything, but the older I get watching this league the more I feel it.

Agreed that $ is first and foremost the guiding light in most, if not EVERY decision the Wilf's make. 

I could understand that (and I have said as much previously) outlook PRIOR to their insanely low cost (for the Wilf's) purchase of the new stadium. Last year? The grand opening of the new training facility. Next year? I hope Mark and Zygi aren't MORE focused on the hotels/businesses opening around Eagan and take a peek at Ricky's historic FAILURE as personnel guru. But, I'm not holding my breath. 

The Wilf's are FOCUSED primarily on making their "investment" as profitable as possible. I've actually been in several meetings with Mark and can tell you from first hand experience, PROFIT is the prime driver in ALL decisions they make. 

I've no doubt that the Wilf's THINK that they want a SB Championship, but the bottom line will trump that every single time. It kinda explains their willingness to ""Stick with Rick". The profits keep rolling in, the Vikings aren't the worst team, and, unfortunately, the vocal minority of fans seem to think that Richard "2 outta 13" Spielman is a GREAT GM. 

Oh well. Good night and thanks for the civil reply. 

@"minny65" said:

@"njvike" said:

Oh, another little FACT that I stumbled upon : Did you know that the current 13 season stretch of Playoff Win futility is unmatched in the HISTORY of the Vikings franchise? It's true......there has NEVER been such a prolonged stretch with such playoff incompetence. NEVER. SMH.

Didn't we win a playoff game last year?

NJ— We all get it, you hate RS.  OK.  Point made.  Could you move on to another topic?  You seem to regard Spielman’s breathing on this earth as a physical affront to you personally.  Everything you say may be true but we’ve heard it and the way you say it is just rubs a lot of us the wrong way.  Example—“Sorry for the use of the term ‘impotence’ I have no doubt that strikes home for you.” WTF?  Lighten up NJ.  You are better than schoolboy taunts.

I can't wait until the Vikings win their next game... the silence will be golden.

@"njvike" said:

@"minny65" said:

@"njvike" said:

Oh, another little FACT that I stumbled upon : Did you know that the current 13 season stretch of Playoff Win futility is unmatched in the HISTORY of the Vikings franchise? It's true......there has NEVER been such a prolonged stretch with such playoff incompetence. NEVER. SMH.

Didn't we win a playoff game last year?

Nice reading comprehension skills! 

Yes, that MIRACLE-ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME HOME playoff win did occur last year. 

And that was the 2nd playoff win Ricky's  Vikings have managed the past 13 seasons. 

That makes a TOTAL of 2 in 13 seasons.

What's your point, if you even have one?

@"pumpf" said:

@"njvike" said:

@"minny65" said:

@"njvike" said:

Oh, another little FACT that I stumbled upon : Did you know that the current 13 season stretch of Playoff Win futility is unmatched in the HISTORY of the Vikings franchise? It's true......there has NEVER been such a prolonged stretch with such playoff incompetence. NEVER. SMH.

Didn't we win a playoff game last year?

Nice reading comprehension skills! 

Yes, that MIRACLE-ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME HOME playoff win did occur last year. 

And that was the 2nd playoff win Ricky's  Vikings have managed the past 13 seasons. 

That makes a TOTAL of 2 in 13 seasons.

What's your point, if you even have one?

I think his point was that you were wrong.  I don't know what "little fact" you stumbled on... but it appears that YOU are the one with the comprehension problem.  You also appear to have a "retention" problem, as well.  

But you want SO desperately to be right... that even when an ACTUAL fact is presented (not just your opinion, which you consider to be a fact)... you still can't admit that you made a mistake.  But, yeah: the Vikings are the ones who can't admit their mistakes.

I don't know what has happened in your life to lead you to this station... but I really ought to feel sorry for you.  I don't though; because Packer fans do not deserve pity- or kindness. 

@"Caactorvike" said: NJ— We all get it, you hate RS.  OK.  Point made.  Could you move on to another topic?  You seem to regard Spielman’s breathing on this earth as a physical affront to you personally.  Everything you say may be true but we’ve heard it and the way you say it is just rubs a lot of us the wrong way.  Example—“Sorry for the use of the term ‘impotence’ I have no doubt that strikes home for you.” WTF?  Lighten up NJ.  You are better than schoolboy taunts.

It's comical that you point out the impotence comment (which was good, I might add) but FAIL TO MENTION WHY I replied in that fashion. That jackass and numerous others on this board routinely bombard me with personal attacks in response to my posts stating FACTS why I think the Vikings should move on from RS.

Where was the angst about the hundreds of posts about Walsh, Turner, Ponder, Bradford, Carlson, DeFillipo, Priefer, Keenum, Kluwe, etc.? You were probably one of the torch bearing townsfolk for most, if not ALL of those poor bastards. I can't recall you or ANY other "level -headed" fan lecturing THOSE mobs....why?  Seems to me the ONLY common denominator in ALL of those popular purple pariahs is Ricky. Hmm.

I KNOW I'm better than schoolboy taunts.....I'm only REPLYING IN KIND to the d-bag SCHOOLBOYS that seem to only understand that type of recourse. If they can't take it, DON'T dish it out. Simple.

My issue is with Ricky "2 for 13" Spielman. I don't attack any poster here until they childlishly attack me.

But hey, I get it. Vikings fans LOVE to have an EXCUSE. I'm the bad guy....it's the fact that I'm pointing out, well, FACTS that is causing the Vikings to have their longest stretch of Playoff IMPOTENCE in their entire HISTORY!!! 

Shoot the messenger, go on. Doesn't change the last 13 futile seasons and it won't change the inevitable outcome of the 2019 season, either.

Peace and good night.

@"njvike" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I think its a very credible question. The players the coaches are given and how many injuries that a team has in any particular year are WAY more influential in the outcome of wins and losses than actual coaching in most cases. The GM should be held much more accountable than they are. And in defense of both a GM and HC, a damn slew of injuries above what is normal can undermine a talented and well coached team. 

The buck seems to stop with the head coach: and I do think the reason a GM isn't under the same kind of scrutiny is because they have a closer relationship with ownership. 

Valid points about injuries, but we're not talking about (with Ricky, at least) a 2-3 year period. We're talking about a 13 year period. That's enough time for a couple to meet, get married and now have a middle school aged child. That's a LOOOOOONG time. The injury thang just don't mask 13 seasons of playoff ineptitude.  

I never noticed that when you have someone on ignore that when they post a new thread you can read it but then not their comments.  My mistake for reading this thread :)