Stefanski is going to go from QB coach to interim OC to Browns HC?

I'd agree - except when we're talking Raiders or Browns...

Whether he becomes their Head Coach, or takes another OC job, I feel in my gut that he is gone and it will be by his own choosing. I think Zimmer screwed the pooch last year with how he handled the OC opening. He preached loyalty and said that he was not letting Stefanski go to the Giants because he was loyal to him by keeping him on the staff when he took the Head Coaching job, yet he brings in an Outsider to run the offense that had zero history with the organization which was a disaster and blew up in his face. He wasn't good enough for the Vikings OC job, but he wasn't going to let Shurmur have him either. What a fucking hypocrite. 

@"TBro" said: Whether he becomes their Head Coach, or takes another OC job, I feel in my gut that he is gone and it will be by his own choosing. I think Zimmer screwed the pooch last year with how he handled the OC opening. He preached loyalty and said that he was not letting Stefanski go to the Giants because he was loyal to him by keeping him on the staff when he took the Head Coaching job, yet he brings in an Outsider to run the offense that had zero history with the organization which was a disaster and blew up in his face. He wasn't good enough for the Vikings OC job, but he wasn't going to let Shurmur have him either. What a fucking hypocrite. 

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"TBro" said: Whether he becomes their Head Coach, or takes another OC job, I feel in my gut that he is gone and it will be by his own choosing. I think Zimmer screwed the pooch last year with how he handled the OC opening. He preached loyalty and said that he was not letting Stefanski go to the Giants because he was loyal to him by keeping him on the staff when he took the Head Coaching job, yet he brings in an Outsider to run the offense that had zero history with the organization which was a disaster and blew up in his face. He wasn't good enough for the Vikings OC job, but he wasn't going to let Shurmur have him either. What a fucking hypocrite. 

I'll bet Stefanski got a pay raise from RS when they blocked his promo to NY.

@"TBro" said: Whether he becomes their Head Coach, or takes another OC job, I feel in my gut that he is gone and it will be by his own choosing. I think Zimmer screwed the pooch last year with how he handled the OC opening. He preached loyalty and said that he was not letting Stefanski go to the Giants because he was loyal to him by keeping him on the staff when he took the Head Coaching job, yet he brings in an Outsider to run the offense that had zero history with the organization which was a disaster and blew up in his face. He wasn't good enough for the Vikings OC job, but he wasn't going to let Shurmur have him either. What a fucking hypocrite. 

I get your anger and venting on Zimmer, but that is just an odd hammer to use while looking for the last nail.

@"greediron" said:

@"TBro" said: Whether he becomes their Head Coach, or takes another OC job, I feel in my gut that he is gone and it will be by his own choosing. I think Zimmer screwed the pooch last year with how he handled the OC opening. He preached loyalty and said that he was not letting Stefanski go to the Giants because he was loyal to him by keeping him on the staff when he took the Head Coaching job, yet he brings in an Outsider to run the offense that had zero history with the organization which was a disaster and blew up in his face. He wasn't good enough for the Vikings OC job, but he wasn't going to let Shurmur have him either. What a fucking hypocrite. 

Just how is that being a hypocrite?  I don't think that word fits. 

I get your anger and venting on Zimmer, but that is just an odd hammer to use while looking for the last nail.

@"TBro" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"TBro" said: Whether he becomes their Head Coach, or takes another OC job, I feel in my gut that he is gone and it will be by his own choosing. I think Zimmer screwed the pooch last year with how he handled the OC opening. He preached loyalty and said that he was not letting Stefanski go to the Giants because he was loyal to him by keeping him on the staff when he took the Head Coaching job, yet he brings in an Outsider to run the offense that had zero history with the organization which was a disaster and blew up in his face. He wasn't good enough for the Vikings OC job, but he wasn't going to let Shurmur have him either. What a fucking hypocrite. 

Just how is that being a hypocrite?  I don't think that word fits. 

I get your anger and venting on Zimmer, but that is just an odd hammer to use while looking for the last nail.

Zimmer said he didn't want to let Stefanski leave because he felt he should be loyal to the organization for keeping him on the staff when Zimmer took the job. What's hypocritical is that Zimmer did not show any loyalty to Stefanski in return by hiring an outsider for the OC job. He blocked Stefanski from getting a better opportunity as the OC for Shurmur, but he wasn't good enough in Zimmer's eyes to get the OC job with the Vikings. Loyalty goes both ways so that is why I think Zimmer is a hypocrite.  

I get the sense the ownership in Cleveland sees their team is on the cusp of something special and are going to interview a ton of folks to get that team leader to end the decades of frustration.  That conference is ripe for the picking with Cincy and Pitt on the decline.
I think they'd like a coach with some post-season pedigree, though.  But kickin' tires on a bunch of candidates keeps the fan base pumped.

@"TBro" said: Whether he becomes their Head Coach, or takes another OC job, I feel in my gut that he is gone and it will be by his own choosing. I think Zimmer screwed the pooch last year with how he handled the OC opening. He preached loyalty and said that he was not letting Stefanski go to the Giants because he was loyal to him by keeping him on the staff when he took the Head Coaching job, yet he brings in an Outsider to run the offense that had zero history with the organization which was a disaster and blew up in his face. He wasn't good enough for the Vikings OC job, but he wasn't going to let Shurmur have him either. What a fucking hypocrite. 

I also don’t think that
Zimmer preventing him from leaving automatically means he’s pissed at Zimmer
and wouldn’t take the position here.  I
do think he’s going to probably interview and take any OC or HC job that’s
available to him, so we can’t rest on our laurels.

Nothing’s for sure ‘til Jimmy Haslam talks to the homeless guy...  ;) B)  

@"medaille" said:

@"TBro" said: Whether he becomes their Head Coach, or takes another OC job, I feel in my gut that he is gone and it will be by his own choosing. I think Zimmer screwed the pooch last year with how he handled the OC opening. He preached loyalty and said that he was not letting Stefanski go to the Giants because he was loyal to him by keeping him on the staff when he took the Head Coaching job, yet he brings in an Outsider to run the offense that had zero history with the organization which was a disaster and blew up in his face. He wasn't good enough for the Vikings OC job, but he wasn't going to let Shurmur have him either. What a fucking hypocrite. 

I don’t think loyalty means you have to give them a promotion if they aren’t the best suited for the job.  He just saying he should be loyal to the team by finishing out the contract and position he signed and agreed to uphold, and he’s also communicating that he’s too valuable to let leave, which is sort of a compliment.  I think that in Zimmers mind having Flip + Stefanski is better than having Flip + unknown QB coach or Stefanski + unknown QB coach, especially when it was thought that Flip would leave after 1 year.

I also don’t think that
Zimmer preventing him from leaving automatically means he’s pissed at Zimmer
and wouldn’t take the position here.  I
do think he’s going to probably interview and take any OC or HC job that’s
available to him, so we can’t rest on our laurels.

@"TBro" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"TBro" said: Whether he becomes their Head Coach, or takes another OC job, I feel in my gut that he is gone and it will be by his own choosing. I think Zimmer screwed the pooch last year with how he handled the OC opening. He preached loyalty and said that he was not letting Stefanski go to the Giants because he was loyal to him by keeping him on the staff when he took the Head Coaching job, yet he brings in an Outsider to run the offense that had zero history with the organization which was a disaster and blew up in his face. He wasn't good enough for the Vikings OC job, but he wasn't going to let Shurmur have him either. What a fucking hypocrite. 

I don’t think loyalty means you have to give them a promotion if they aren’t the best suited for the job.  He just saying he should be loyal to the team by finishing out the contract and position he signed and agreed to uphold, and he’s also communicating that he’s too valuable to let leave, which is sort of a compliment.  I think that in Zimmers mind having Flip + Stefanski is better than having Flip + unknown QB coach or Stefanski + unknown QB coach, especially when it was thought that Flip would leave after 1 year. I also don’t think that Zimmer preventing him from leaving automatically means he’s pissed at Zimmer and wouldn’t take the position here.  I do think he’s going to probably interview and take any OC or HC job that’s available to him, so we can’t rest on our laurels.

With your logic, then he wouldn't have let Shurmur leave and would have made him finish out his contract as OC. That's just not how the league works. When Coaches get an opportunity for a promotion, you either give them a similar role in your own organization or you wish them well and let them leave for a better opportunity. He did neither. He interviewed him for OC, blocked him from going to New York for a promotion, but ultimately hired an Outsider who wasn't the right fit for a lot of reasons. 

Zim pleaded guilty today that he probably didn't do enough due diligence on Flip to make sure they were both on the same page with Offensive Philosophy during the hiring process. You just can't make that shit up. Zim has proven again this year that the Peter Principle is in full effect. 

If you and Greed are happy with Zim's performance and think he is the right guy to get us a Championship, then I can respect that. For me personally, and for a growing numbers of posters on this board, they have seen enough and are ready to move on. 

By the way, the Browns moved up Stefanski's interview to today so there definitely seems to be some strong interest and steam behind his abilities as an offensive mind and a potential head coach. Like I said earlier, I think he is gone and can't get out from under Zimmer soon enough, and now Shefter is reporting this afternoon that Hue Jackson to the Vikings as OC is very strong possibility. I wouldn't let him anywhere near my offense but that's what Zimmer is comfortable with. Surrounding himself with guys he used to coach with. Zimmer and Spielman are dead men walking into the last year of their deals. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don't seem him fixing the problems that will get this team into the playoffs next season based on his track record so far. 

@"greediron" said:

@"TBro" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"TBro" said: Whether he becomes their Head Coach, or takes another OC job, I feel in my gut that he is gone and it will be by his own choosing. I think Zimmer screwed the pooch last year with how he handled the OC opening. He preached loyalty and said that he was not letting Stefanski go to the Giants because he was loyal to him by keeping him on the staff when he took the Head Coaching job, yet he brings in an Outsider to run the offense that had zero history with the organization which was a disaster and blew up in his face. He wasn't good enough for the Vikings OC job, but he wasn't going to let Shurmur have him either. What a fucking hypocrite. 

I don’t think loyalty means you have to give them a promotion if they aren’t the best suited for the job.  He just saying he should be loyal to the team by finishing out the contract and position he signed and agreed to uphold, and he’s also communicating that he’s too valuable to let leave, which is sort of a compliment.  I think that in Zimmers mind having Flip + Stefanski is better than having Flip + unknown QB coach or Stefanski + unknown QB coach, especially when it was thought that Flip would leave after 1 year. I also don’t think that Zimmer preventing him from leaving automatically means he’s pissed at Zimmer and wouldn’t take the position here.  I do think he’s going to probably interview and take any OC or HC job that’s available to him, so we can’t rest on our laurels.

With your logic, then he wouldn't have let Shurmur leave and would have made him finish out his contract as OC. That's just not how the league works. When Coaches get an opportunity for a promotion, you either give them a similar role in your own organization or you wish them well and let them leave for a better opportunity. He did neither. He interviewed him for OC, blocked him from going to New York for a promotion, but ultimately hired an Outsider who wasn't the right fit for a lot of reasons. 

Zim pleaded guilty today that he probably didn't do enough due diligence on Flip to make sure they were both on the same page with Offensive Philosophy during the hiring process. You just can't make that shit up. Zim has proven again this year that the Peter Principle is in full effect. 

If you and Greed are happy with Zim's performance and think he is the right guy to get us a Championship, then I can respect that. For me personally, and for a growing numbers of posters on this board, they have seen enough and are ready to move on. 

By the way, the Browns moved up Stefanski's interview to today so there definitely seems to be some strong interest and steam behind his abilities as an offensive mind and a potential head coach. Like I said earlier, I think he is gone and can't get out from under Zimmer soon enough, and now Shefter is reporting this afternoon that Hue Jackson to the Vikings as OC is very strong possibility. I wouldn't let him anywhere near my offense but that's what Zimmer is comfortable with. Surrounding himself with guys he used to coach with. Zimmer and Spielman are dead men walking into the last year of their deals. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don't seem him fixing the problems that will get this team into the playoffs next season based on his track record so far. 

I don't believe you can block an assistant from interviewing for a HC job.  But many do block assistants from interviewing.  Billicheck is a prime example.  Didn't he block the Colts last year?  Or was that Josh McDaniel being a putz?  Anyway, there is no rule that sez you have to let an assistant that is leaving for a HC gig to gut your staff.
And I find it funny that people will bitch about Zim not disclosing every detail and then ripping him when he is candid about his failure.  The guy is very upfront and self critical, but that isn't good enough for some.  I find his leadership to be refreshing and honest.

And we are interviewing Hugh Jackson for OC in place of Stefanski?

I am really losing faith (only 43 years) in this organization and Zimmer.

@"greediron" said:

@"TBro" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"TBro" said: Whether he becomes their Head Coach, or takes another OC job, I feel in my gut that he is gone and it will be by his own choosing. I think Zimmer screwed the pooch last year with how he handled the OC opening. He preached loyalty and said that he was not letting Stefanski go to the Giants because he was loyal to him by keeping him on the staff when he took the Head Coaching job, yet he brings in an Outsider to run the offense that had zero history with the organization which was a disaster and blew up in his face. He wasn't good enough for the Vikings OC job, but he wasn't going to let Shurmur have him either. What a fucking hypocrite. 

I don’t think loyalty means you have to give them a promotion if they aren’t the best suited for the job.  He just saying he should be loyal to the team by finishing out the contract and position he signed and agreed to uphold, and he’s also communicating that he’s too valuable to let leave, which is sort of a compliment.  I think that in Zimmers mind having Flip + Stefanski is better than having Flip + unknown QB coach or Stefanski + unknown QB coach, especially when it was thought that Flip would leave after 1 year. I also don’t think that Zimmer preventing him from leaving automatically means he’s pissed at Zimmer and wouldn’t take the position here.  I do think he’s going to probably interview and take any OC or HC job that’s available to him, so we can’t rest on our laurels.

With your logic, then he wouldn't have let Shurmur leave and would have made him finish out his contract as OC. That's just not how the league works. When Coaches get an opportunity for a promotion, you either give them a similar role in your own organization or you wish them well and let them leave for a better opportunity. He did neither. He interviewed him for OC, blocked him from going to New York for a promotion, but ultimately hired an Outsider who wasn't the right fit for a lot of reasons. 

Zim pleaded guilty today that he probably didn't do enough due diligence on Flip to make sure they were both on the same page with Offensive Philosophy during the hiring process. You just can't make that shit up. Zim has proven again this year that the Peter Principle is in full effect. 

If you and Greed are happy with Zim's performance and think he is the right guy to get us a Championship, then I can respect that. For me personally, and for a growing numbers of posters on this board, they have seen enough and are ready to move on. 

By the way, the Browns moved up Stefanski's interview to today so there definitely seems to be some strong interest and steam behind his abilities as an offensive mind and a potential head coach. Like I said earlier, I think he is gone and can't get out from under Zimmer soon enough, and now Shefter is reporting this afternoon that Hue Jackson to the Vikings as OC is very strong possibility. I wouldn't let him anywhere near my offense but that's what Zimmer is comfortable with. Surrounding himself with guys he used to coach with. Zimmer and Spielman are dead men walking into the last year of their deals. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don't seem him fixing the problems that will get this team into the playoffs next season based on his track record so far. 

I don't believe you can block an assistant from interviewing for a HC job.  But many do block assistants from interviewing.  Billicheck is a prime example.  Didn't he block the Colts last year?  Or was that Josh McDaniel being a putz?  Anyway, there is no rule that sez you have to let an assistant that is leaving for a HC gig to gut your staff.
And I find it funny that people will bitch about Zim not disclosing every detail and then ripping him when he is candid about his failure.  The guy is very upfront and self critical, but that isn't good enough for some.  I find his leadership to be refreshing and honest.

@"TBro" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"TBro" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"TBro" said: Whether he becomes their Head Coach, or takes another OC job, I feel in my gut that he is gone and it will be by his own choosing. I think Zimmer screwed the pooch last year with how he handled the OC opening. He preached loyalty and said that he was not letting Stefanski go to the Giants because he was loyal to him by keeping him on the staff when he took the Head Coaching job, yet he brings in an Outsider to run the offense that had zero history with the organization which was a disaster and blew up in his face. He wasn't good enough for the Vikings OC job, but he wasn't going to let Shurmur have him either. What a fucking hypocrite. 

I don’t think loyalty means you have to give them a promotion if they aren’t the best suited for the job.  He just saying he should be loyal to the team by finishing out the contract and position he signed and agreed to uphold, and he’s also communicating that he’s too valuable to let leave, which is sort of a compliment.  I think that in Zimmers mind having Flip + Stefanski is better than having Flip + unknown QB coach or Stefanski + unknown QB coach, especially when it was thought that Flip would leave after 1 year. I also don’t think that Zimmer preventing him from leaving automatically means he’s pissed at Zimmer and wouldn’t take the position here.  I do think he’s going to probably interview and take any OC or HC job that’s available to him, so we can’t rest on our laurels.

With your logic, then he wouldn't have let Shurmur leave and would have made him finish out his contract as OC. That's just not how the league works. When Coaches get an opportunity for a promotion, you either give them a similar role in your own organization or you wish them well and let them leave for a better opportunity. He did neither. He interviewed him for OC, blocked him from going to New York for a promotion, but ultimately hired an Outsider who wasn't the right fit for a lot of reasons. 

Zim pleaded guilty today that he probably didn't do enough due diligence on Flip to make sure they were both on the same page with Offensive Philosophy during the hiring process. You just can't make that shit up. Zim has proven again this year that the Peter Principle is in full effect. 

If you and Greed are happy with Zim's performance and think he is the right guy to get us a Championship, then I can respect that. For me personally, and for a growing numbers of posters on this board, they have seen enough and are ready to move on. 

By the way, the Browns moved up Stefanski's interview to today so there definitely seems to be some strong interest and steam behind his abilities as an offensive mind and a potential head coach. Like I said earlier, I think he is gone and can't get out from under Zimmer soon enough, and now Shefter is reporting this afternoon that Hue Jackson to the Vikings as OC is very strong possibility. I wouldn't let him anywhere near my offense but that's what Zimmer is comfortable with. Surrounding himself with guys he used to coach with. Zimmer and Spielman are dead men walking into the last year of their deals. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don't seem him fixing the problems that will get this team into the playoffs next season based on his track record so far. 

I don't believe you can block an assistant from interviewing for a HC job.  But many do block assistants from interviewing.  Billicheck is a prime example.  Didn't he block the Colts last year?  Or was that Josh McDaniel being a putz?  Anyway, there is no rule that sez you have to let an assistant that is leaving for a HC gig to gut your staff.
And I find it funny that people will bitch about Zim not disclosing every detail and then ripping him when he is candid about his failure.  The guy is very upfront and self critical, but that isn't good enough for some.  I find his leadership to be refreshing and honest.

That was McDaniel doing a 180 after accepting the job. Good thing for the Colts he did. Reich has been a great hire for them. Being candid is one thing, but admitting that you didn't ask all the right questions during an interview of the person you are going to hand over the keys to your offense is inexcusable. Like I said, I can respect that you find his leadership to be refreshing and honest but he just seems way over his head unless it's related to the defense and even then, I have to question why his defense, play calling, in game adjustments, etc. continue to get exposed in big games by good teams. We always seem flat and unprepared. By the time adjustments are made, it's usually too late to overcome with an offense that is not equipped to come from behind. I believe the stats will show we didn't have a come from behind victory all season.

@"Scoog" said:

@"TBro" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"TBro" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"TBro" said: Whether he becomes their Head Coach, or takes another OC job, I feel in my gut that he is gone and it will be by his own choosing. I think Zimmer screwed the pooch last year with how he handled the OC opening. He preached loyalty and said that he was not letting Stefanski go to the Giants because he was loyal to him by keeping him on the staff when he took the Head Coaching job, yet he brings in an Outsider to run the offense that had zero history with the organization which was a disaster and blew up in his face. He wasn't good enough for the Vikings OC job, but he wasn't going to let Shurmur have him either. What a fucking hypocrite. 

I don’t think loyalty means you have to give them a promotion if they aren’t the best suited for the job.  He just saying he should be loyal to the team by finishing out the contract and position he signed and agreed to uphold, and he’s also communicating that he’s too valuable to let leave, which is sort of a compliment.  I think that in Zimmers mind having Flip + Stefanski is better than having Flip + unknown QB coach or Stefanski + unknown QB coach, especially when it was thought that Flip would leave after 1 year. I also don’t think that Zimmer preventing him from leaving automatically means he’s pissed at Zimmer and wouldn’t take the position here.  I do think he’s going to probably interview and take any OC or HC job that’s available to him, so we can’t rest on our laurels.

With your logic, then he wouldn't have let Shurmur leave and would have made him finish out his contract as OC. That's just not how the league works. When Coaches get an opportunity for a promotion, you either give them a similar role in your own organization or you wish them well and let them leave for a better opportunity. He did neither. He interviewed him for OC, blocked him from going to New York for a promotion, but ultimately hired an Outsider who wasn't the right fit for a lot of reasons. 

Zim pleaded guilty today that he probably didn't do enough due diligence on Flip to make sure they were both on the same page with Offensive Philosophy during the hiring process. You just can't make that shit up. Zim has proven again this year that the Peter Principle is in full effect. 

If you and Greed are happy with Zim's performance and think he is the right guy to get us a Championship, then I can respect that. For me personally, and for a growing numbers of posters on this board, they have seen enough and are ready to move on. 

By the way, the Browns moved up Stefanski's interview to today so there definitely seems to be some strong interest and steam behind his abilities as an offensive mind and a potential head coach. Like I said earlier, I think he is gone and can't get out from under Zimmer soon enough, and now Shefter is reporting this afternoon that Hue Jackson to the Vikings as OC is very strong possibility. I wouldn't let him anywhere near my offense but that's what Zimmer is comfortable with. Surrounding himself with guys he used to coach with. Zimmer and Spielman are dead men walking into the last year of their deals. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don't seem him fixing the problems that will get this team into the playoffs next season based on his track record so far. 

I don't believe you can block an assistant from interviewing for a HC job.  But many do block assistants from interviewing.  Billicheck is a prime example.  Didn't he block the Colts last year?  Or was that Josh McDaniel being a putz?  Anyway, there is no rule that sez you have to let an assistant that is leaving for a HC gig to gut your staff.
And I find it funny that people will bitch about Zim not disclosing every detail and then ripping him when he is candid about his failure.  The guy is very upfront and self critical, but that isn't good enough for some.  I find his leadership to be refreshing and honest.

That was McDaniel doing a 180 after accepting the job. Good thing for the Colts he did. Reich has been a great hire for them. Being candid is one thing, but admitting that you didn't ask all the right questions during an interview of the person you are going to hand over the keys to your offense is inexcusable. Like I said, I can respect that you find his leadership to be refreshing and honest but he just seems way over his head unless it's related to the defense and even then, I have to question why his defense, play calling, in game adjustments, etc. continue to get exposed in big games by good teams. We always seem flat and unprepared. By the time adjustments are made, it's usually too late to overcome with an offense that is not equipped to come from behind. I believe the stats will show we didn't have a come from behind victory all season.

Define "come from behind victory" because we were down 9-0 to the Lions before winning.

One thing I didn't see mentioned is that a lot of potential candidates aren't available to go through the hiring process yet.  Even Stefanski is only allowed to apply for HC positions right now, as he's still under contract.

@"medaille" said: One thing I didn't see mentioned is that a lot of potential candidates aren't available to go through the hiring process yet.  Even Stefanski is only allowed to apply for HC positions right now, as he's still under contract.

@"TBro" said:

@"medaille" said: One thing I didn't see mentioned is that a lot of potential candidates aren't available to go through the hiring process yet.  Even Stefanski is only allowed to apply for HC positions right now, as he's still under contract.

Only to the end of the league season correct? I don't believe he is under contract beyond this season as I've seen many media outlets refer to him as a Coaching Free Agent.