Ok so what does this game say about Cousins
This is not how you want the season to end. And we all know that the OL is putrid but Cousins did not show up. Or maybe he did but his performance was unacceptable.
You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it. — Robin Williams
He did not step up today. I still think there are things that can be done to make the offense around him better, but I would have liked to see more from him today.
It says without a really good oline he is not going to beat the better teams. Against weaker competition the last two weeks we ran up the score. But against the good teams (and Buffalo for some reason) we look somewhat lost.
He is not elite like Brady/Brees, so you are going to have to put pieces around him that help him win. He is more of a 2nd tier qb. But it didn't take today's game to know that, it should have been known to the organization when they signed him and they should have approached things accordingly.
As I have been saying for years....VP's, GM's and HC's are ultimately judged by their teams' RECORD.
Good "intentions" mean Jack Schitt. I don't care if you "meant well" making a particular personnel move....did it result in playoff success? If not, I do NOT applaud you for your fucking "effort". EFFORT is a MINIMUM EXPECTATION when your annual salary has 6 zeros.
It's ALL about results, and Ricky, Mikey and Kirky all FAILED miserably this year. Wash, rinse, repeat for ALL of them.
I don't want to hear any bullshit about "next year" from these serial chokers. SHOW ME NEXT SEASON and then we can resume this conversation in December 2019/January 2020. Until then, EVERYONE in the Vikings organization needs to STFU, admit you shit the bed, AGAIN, and PROVE to the fans you're as good as you THINK you are by ACTUALLY WINNING PLAYOFF GAMES!
That is a radical concept, I know, but believe it or not, that is how history classifies/remembers GREAT teams.
@"comet52" said: It says without a really good oline he is not going to beat the better teams. Against weaker competition the last two weeks we ran up the score. But against the good teams (and Buffalo for some reason) we look somewhat lost.He is not elite like Brady/Brees, so you are going to have to put pieces around him that help him win. He is more of a 2nd tier qb. But it didn't take today's game to know that, it should have been known to the organization when they signed him and they should have approached things accordingly.
I did not for a second think he was elite. But he has at least 2 more years so they definitely need more pieces specifically the OL. I am sick and tired of 3 and outs.
It will take more than a year, with a meteoric qb coach designing the next new offensive innovations, for me to loose faith. Kirk has the tools, it will be an organization thing that takes it too the next level. GB had the luck with two franchise qb's in a row, NE has Beichick/Brady synergy. Hell I wore the same tube socks for Bud' s run. I'll hang with the direction we are going.
Kirk is not a Rodgers, Brady or Brees. But he's better than many other touted QB's sitting home for the next few weeks.
As to this stat 4-22 or whatever against winning teams, he's played on some very crappy teams in D.C. And all this was well documented during his team shopping spree.
But just like the Pukers need to get Rodgers more weapons for him to get back to invincible status, we need to get Kirk a mass of humanity to keep him upright. Scrimping on O linemen is not an option.
It tells me I was right about him not being a good fit for this team at the time. I knew he'd struggle behind a bad O line. But as the season went along, it appeared he struggled to connect with his teammates... to build chemistry, and a little of that boiled over tonight. He's got two years left for the org to figure out to make it work. I'm also a little concerned about his deep ball accuracy as well but I'm sure people will put that on his Oline too... even when he had plenty of time to throw.
This time last year, here were our choices at QB.
Bridgewater, how long can he go in a starting role?
Keenum, I think he had better pocket presence, but arm was questionable.
Hasn't blown ANYONES skirt up in Denver.
Bradford, and...he's done.
Cousins probably in the top third starting QBs, in his first season with his new team.
the way I look at it, he has two more years to get us to the promised land. If he does, everyone will look at this season as "transitional". If he doesn't, we start all over again at QB.
I was at the game today. Most of the time Chicago had our receivers blanketed. Kirk had nowhere to go with the football. Bears knew what was coming. Offensive scheme has to change and Remmers and Compton are embarrassing.
@"jargomcfargo" said: Cousins fleeced Spielman.Athletes don't fleece anybody. Spielman fucking blew this one. Athletes always "are who we thought they were."
It is doubtful that Keenum or Bridgewater could have done any better today unless they ran a lot.
The offensive line just got whupped again by the Bears.
The last meeting they ran the ball 14 times for 22 yards and Zimmer wanted more of that. Wow!
If you cant run and you cant protect for longer than a few seconds then the defense can sit on your receivers knowing they will get to the QB before the receivers get open.
The Vikings really need a 3rd receiver and it is too bad Treadwell is just flat out sorry.
@"MarkSP18" said:It is doubtful that Keenum or Bridgewater could have done any better today unless they ran a lot. I disagree, Kirk and Sam are the same QB.Last time Bears played in MN they held Sam to 5-11 for 36 yards 53 QBR for 1st 2 Quarters, about what Kirk had today.
Case Came in and went 17-21 141 yards 110 QBR and beat them in the second half
@"holmanjp" said:@"MarkSP18" said:It is doubtful that Keenum or Bridgewater could have done any better today unless they ran a lot. I disagree, Kirk and Sam are the same QB.Last time Bears played in MN they held Sam to 5-11 for 36 yards 53 QBR for 1st 2 Quarters, about what Kirk had today.
Case Came in and went 17-21 141 yards 110 QBR and beat them in the second half
I cant compare last year's team to this year's team.It is not the same nor were the Bears in this example.
So what is the point?
The logic fails. For me.
It shows he isn’t capable of rising above the mediocrity that has been known as the Vikings under Zimmer. This is a team that has won very few big games and more often than not been blown away by better coaching anf better talent. Cousins is merely a part of that, but the problems with this team run deeper.
I'm not suggesting this is the case. I hope not. But, if the receivers don't have faith in the QB, the defense won't either.
The defense had it's flaws, but when they would get three and outs or turnovers, the offense couldn't capitalize. In fact, they would often go three and out themselves.
That has to be frustrating.
If they ever think the QB can't deliver, it will be a long season.
I know I've said this in other threads, but since this one is specifically about Cousins:
I think that Zimmer put a leash on him halfway through the season. THAT'S when he started to suck. Let the guy play. Yes, that may (will?) lead to more turnovers. But it will also open up the offense and lead to more scores. If the defense is as good as Zimmer thinks it is, they should be able to overcome a couple extra possessions.
Also, a competent OC would help.
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