DePhillipo Fired???
Just heard the news on KFAN
@"Caactorvike" said: plenty of blame all around. This team would be totally different with a better OL--a guard or two and a LT. Still, it was the right call. Flip was in over his head. can Kevin Stefanski right the ship? Praying.I hear Mcfatty is available??? LOL At least we get to figure out what Stefanski feels like before the season is over. He should have gotten the job last year. This move probably keeps him with us.
@"AGRforever" said:@"dadevike" said: Seems like a panic move. The O line sucks but you can't fire the players so fire the coach that has to run plays behind that line.
Has this line been worse then last year's? Its basically the same players? Some how Keenum figured out how to throw behind a just as shitty line.
Yes it's worse. No it's not the same players. Easton and Berger are gone. Remmers is playing a completely different position. Elflein was injured late and spent all offseason recovering and isn't the same. Maybe Reiff is the same, but I've seen people argue that he's more injured this year. Who knows of Reiff, but we've downgraded 3 of 5 positions for sure (and 4 of 5, before O'Neill was starting)
Did you guys see how many times our WRs ran overlapping routes or ended up stacked next to each other at the end of their route? I was starting to believe the WRs weren't hearing the playcall right in the huddle or that they weren't understanding the playcall... Our route concepts had me scratching my head all game long.
The times when Cousins did have an NFL acceptable amount of time to throw his options were fuuuucked. stops, curls, drags... these routes over and over are a recipe for double clutching, hesitating and mistakes. That stuff has also become a reoccurring theme. Where did the offensive design that showed up for the first chunk of the season go? How does Theilen go from record setting to barely touching the ball? The answer is obvious when you watch our route concepts. You can see really fast that he's not even running the same routes as early in the season - he's been cuffed to whatever the hell we've been trying to do lately. Perhaps Flip was intimidated by the lack of protection week to week but his adjustments game in and out have compounded the problem of low offensive output.
@"AGRforever" said:@"dadevike" said: Seems like a panic move. The O line sucks but you can't fire the players so fire the coach that has to run plays behind that line.
Has this line been worse then last year's? Its basically the same players? Some how Keenum figured out how to throw behind a just as shitty line.
One thing Ill say about Keenum - he wasn't a statue behind the O-line - he kept a lot of plays alive with his feet and ability to maneuver out of a collapsing pocket and make a play or two.
@"medaille" said:@"AGRforever" said:@"dadevike" said: Seems like a panic move. The O line sucks but you can't fire the players so fire the coach that has to run plays behind that line.
Has this line been worse then last year's? Its basically the same players? Some how Keenum figured out how to throw behind a just as shitty line.
Yes it's worse. No it's not the same players. Easton and Berger are gone. Remmers is playing a completely different position. Elflein was injured late and spent all offseason recovering and isn't the same. Maybe Reiff is the same, but I've seen people argue that he's more injured this year. Who knows of Reiff, but we've downgraded 3 of 5 positions for sure (and 4 of 5, before O'Neill was starting)
It's not just the line. Yeah, our line is bad, but this goes far beyond that. There are ways you can lessen the impact of outmatched offensive linemen. There are linemen as bad, or worse, than ours starting on lines all over the NFL. As someone pointed out last night, the rookie we had on the practice squad is starting now in Arizona. A lineman we released earlier this year is starting for the Bears. Even more alarming, going into last night, our line was mostly healthy. There are 3rd string rookies starting for other NFL teams due to injuries. The difference is those teams seem to do a much better job of designing an offense that plays to its strengths and mitigates its weaknesses.It was clear to me last night that Flip had absolutely no clue how to do that, nor any idea what the hell he was doing. For the love of God, going into the game, no team in the NFL gave up more yards per carry than the Seahawks. Week before, Nick Freaking Mullins put up 400 yards passing against them. Week before that, McCaffrey put up 237 total yards and 2 TDs against them.
It's as if Seattle knew exactly what we were going to do before we did it. Same with the Patriots. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if we found out that there wasn't something Flip was doing that was tipping them off.
...and another thing....
I know I've been giving him a lot of shit lately, but one of the things that impressed me was how well Zimmer adjusted his defense to what Seattle was doing in the first half.
Offenses usually make similar adjustments to how the defense is playing them. But last night...Nothing. Zero. I think that could be a big part of why Flip is no longer employed.
Vikings promote QBs coach Stefanski to OC 
Stefanski will replace John DeFilippo, who was fired on Tuesday. Giants coach Pat Shurmur tried to take Stefanski with him when he left last offseason, but the Vikings blocked the interview request. There was some thought Minnesota should have just promoted Stefanski after Shurmur left, and now he will get his shot. Considering coach Mike Zimmer's recent comments, Stefanski will likely lean on the running game a bit more than DeFilippo did this season.
@"BlackMagic7" said: Did you guys see how many times our WRs ran overlapping routes or ended up stacked next to each other at the end of their route? I was starting to believe the WRs weren't hearing the playcall right in the huddle or that they weren't understanding the playcall... Our route concepts had me scratching my head all game long.The times when Cousins did have an NFL acceptable amount of time to throw his options were fuuuucked. stops, curls, drags... these routes over and over are a recipe for double clutch, hesitating and mistakes. That stuff has also become a reoccurring theme. Where did the offensive design that showed up for the first chunk of the season go? It's not like our offensive line was great then either. We never built on or off of anything good we did; we've gone backwards around the offensive line all season.
I cannot dispute this but what plays will Stefanski call? They more than likely will run the same offense. Too late to install a new offense.
Hopefully there are some plays in that playbook that are bit more imaginative.
I think JDF honored what Zimmer wanted. More runs.
So he just ran the most basic of plays and they got stuffed.
But he at least followed orders.
@"MarkSP18" said:@"BlackMagic7" said: Did you guys see how many times our WRs ran overlapping routes or ended up stacked next to each other at the end of their route? I was starting to believe the WRs weren't hearing the playcall right in the huddle or that they weren't understanding the playcall... Our route concepts had me scratching my head all game long.The times when Cousins did have an NFL acceptable amount of time to throw his options were fuuuucked. stops, curls, drags... these routes over and over are a recipe for double clutch, hesitating and mistakes. That stuff has also become a reoccurring theme. Where did the offensive design that showed up for the first chunk of the season go? It's not like our offensive line was great then either. We never built on or off of anything good we did; we've gone backwards around the offensive line all season.
I cannot dispute this but what plays will Stefanski call? They more than likely will run the same offense. Too late to install a new offense.
Hopefully there are some plays in that playbook that are bit more imaginative.
I think JDF honored what Zimmer wanted. More runs.So he just ran the most basic of plays and they got stuffed.
But he at least followed orders.
its not the plays that you call.... every team has a lot of the same plays, its how you set those plays up, its when you call those plays, its the formations and motions used presnap that set up more favorable matchups for those same plays. people always want to talk about imagination, but IMO its just about lining up and executing a well designed and timely called play, this team hasnt been doing any of that. We repeatedly fail to exploit known opposing teams weaknesses and completely ignore their strengths.I hate to see anybody lose a job leading into the holidays... but something had to change or a lot more people would be in line to lose their jobs right after the holidays.
@"JimmyinSD" said:I don't think it's over. Especially if they tank and miss the playoffs.something had to change or a lot more people would be in line to lose their jobs right after the holidays.
@"MarkSP18" said:@"BlackMagic7" said: Did you guys see how many times our WRs ran overlapping routes or ended up stacked next to each other at the end of their route? I was starting to believe the WRs weren't hearing the playcall right in the huddle or that they weren't understanding the playcall... Our route concepts had me scratching my head all game long.The times when Cousins did have an NFL acceptable amount of time to throw his options were fuuuucked. stops, curls, drags... these routes over and over are a recipe for double clutch, hesitating and mistakes. That stuff has also become a reoccurring theme. Where did the offensive design that showed up for the first chunk of the season go? It's not like our offensive line was great then either. We never built on or off of anything good we did; we've gone backwards around the offensive line all season.
I cannot dispute this but what plays will Stefanski call? They more than likely will run the same offense. Too late to install a new offense.
Hopefully there are some plays in that playbook that are bit more imaginative.
I think JDF honored what Zimmer wanted. More runs.So he just ran the most basic of plays and they got stuffed.
But he at least followed orders.
when?Cook 55yds, 4.2 per and a whopping 13 carries.
It needed to be done... look how many games this season our offense had no rhythm to it. Also, how many times earlier this season did we start out scoring 14+ points in the first half and then struggle to even score points in the 2nd half? Something was going to give. DeFelippo called plays in Cleveland and had the same issue... too high of a pass/run ratio.
Hopefully Stefanski learned something from Shurmur about how to call a game and get an offense in a rhythm. This team has too much talent despite some of the issues on the offensive line to be shut down like we were the past two weeks.
Anyone hear Thielen scream "It's been there all fucking day" after he picked up a long gain on a WR quick screen? The mics picked it up late in the game... that tells me something...
@"Wetlander" said:Anyone hear Thielen scream "It's been there all fucking day" after he picked up a long gain on a WR quick screen? The mics picked it up late in the game... that tells me something...
I didn't hear that, but that says everything you need to know.
@"Wetlander" said: It needed to be done... look how many games this season our offense had no rhythm to it. Also, how many times earlier this season did we start out scoring 14+ points in the first half and then struggle to even score points in the 2nd half? Something was going to give. DeFelippo called plays in Cleveland and had the same issue... too high of a pass/run ratio. Hopefully Stefanski learned something from Shurmur about how to call a game and get an offense in a rhythm. This team has too much talent despite some of the issues on the offensive line to be shut down like we were the past two weeks. Anyone hear Thielen scream "It's been there all fucking day" after he picked up a long gain on a WR quick screen? The mics picked it up late in the game... that tells me something...
Didn't hear that. But seems like the players were frustrated with the play calling as well.
Might be a bright offensive mind but couldn't adjust to game time. 3rd and two and still over thinking the room trying to throw 12/15 yd plays(where is the hot route) behind that shit line
@"MarkSP18" said:@"BlackMagic7" said: Did you guys see how many times our WRs ran overlapping routes or ended up stacked next to each other at the end of their route? I was starting to believe the WRs weren't hearing the playcall right in the huddle or that they weren't understanding the playcall... Our route concepts had me scratching my head all game long.The times when Cousins did have an NFL acceptable amount of time to throw his options were fuuuucked. stops, curls, drags... these routes over and over are a recipe for double clutch, hesitating and mistakes. That stuff has also become a reoccurring theme. Where did the offensive design that showed up for the first chunk of the season go? It's not like our offensive line was great then either. We never built on or off of anything good we did; we've gone backwards around the offensive line all season.
I cannot dispute this but what plays will Stefanski call? They more than likely will run the same offense. Too late to install a new offense.
Hopefully there are some plays in that playbook that are bit more imaginative.
I think JDF honored what Zimmer wanted. More runs.So he just ran the most basic of plays and they got stuffed.
But he at least followed orders.
It might not be what play he calls, its when you call it. And like Magic said, our route concepts have sucked. He will probably go back to what was working earlier in the season as far as pass plays. I think Flip was way too predictable in his play calling, and Stef will bring unpredictability (I hope!)
@"NorthernCalVike" said: And lord only knows what the tension was like between him and Zim.I'm pretty sure everyone who's gone through a divorce knows what the tension was like between those 2. I'm just glad they didn't stay together for the sake of the kids.
I'm not sure predictable is the right word. Lol... I entered this season excited to see what Flips attack would be and after 14 weeks I never figured it out...
I feel like I didnt have a clue what we were trying to do play in and out... to me is was wildly unpredictable. Not in a good way - too random.
@"NorthernCalVike" said:@"kmillard" said:@"dadevike" said: Seems like a panic move. The O line sucks but you can't fire the players so fire the coach that has to run plays behind that line.
Spielman should be getting the AXE!
If your referring to him neglecting the O-Line in drafts or FA in getting quality players as the reason, then I would agree. The ONLY thing I wonder is how much the death of Tony Sparano had on the play of the O-line this year. Losing him was a huge deal for the team (outside of his family of course). Would our O-line be playing at a higher level if this tragedy never happened? Just makes me wonder.
The line wasn't exactly great last year
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