Well, at least Kirk has another...

until we have a gm that understand the importance of the oline I am not willing to say anything about the people that have to go to work behind that oline

Looks like you've finally come over to the "dark side", aka REALITY.

RICKY GOTTA GO.

Its just stupid now. What a waste of potential and a season. Typical Vikings.

@"StickyBun" said: Its just stupid now. What a waste of potential and a season. Typical Vikings.

What's worse, is that they'll stumble into the playoffs anyway, but get their asses kicked in the postseason for yet ANOTHER Schpielman Special, aka a playoff winless season. 

Just enough to keep St. Ricky in his Ivory Tower and allow him to identify his latest scapegoats, most likely Flipper and Priefer.

Wash, rinse, repeat. 

@"Mike Olson" said: until we have a gm that understand the importance of the oline I am not willing to say anything about the people that have to go to work behind that oline

Mike, I agree wholeheartedly.  It all begins with the O line.  Our pennypinching attitude in that area has to stop or we're gonna get someone killed. 

@"Mike Olson" said: until we have a gm that understand the importance of the oline I am not willing to say anything about the people that have to go to work behind that oline

This. 

great OL or not, our guy doesnt have that clutch ability 

i have zero doubt (and i was a Kirk believer) that this team would be better with Case and maybe just maybe, based off thr preseason, maybe teddy too

@"Skodin" said: great OL or not, our guy doesnt have that clutch ability 

i have zero doubt (and i was a Kirk believer) that this team would be better with Case and maybe just maybe, based off thr preseason, maybe teddy too

Keenum has 15 TDs and 10 INTs this year while passing for less yards and a much lower completion percentage. 
He has taken 30 sacks (the same as Cousins) and rushed for less yards.He got all of the INTs before they traded Thomas and while Sanders was still healthy.
Not sure why it is believed he would do better here.  Their line is ranked better than the Vikings by multiple sites.It is a strange phenomenon that folks believe he would do better here based on last year.I think defenses have caught up to his act and it showed last year in the playoffs.  Keep him in the pocket.

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"Skodin" said: great OL or not, our guy doesnt have that clutch ability 

i have zero doubt (and i was a Kirk believer) that this team would be better with Case and maybe just maybe, based off thr preseason, maybe teddy too

Keenum has 15 TDs and 10 INTs this year while passing for less yards and a much lower completion percentage. 
He has taken 30 sacks (the same as Cousins) and rushed for less yards.He got all of the INTs before they traded Thomas and while Sanders was still healthy.
Not sure why it is believed he would do better here.  Their line is ranked better than the Vikings by multiple sites.It is a strange phenomenon that folks believe he would do better here based on last year.I think defenses have caught up to his act and it showed last year in the playoffs.  Keep him in the pocket.

The thing that concerns me is that it doesn't look like Cousins plays well when the lights are at their brightest.  Case seemed to have that fight in him where you rarely felt like the game was unwinnable.  It wasn't always pretty but he scratched and clawed and could bring the team back from a deficit.  Then you have QBs like Cousins who can look like All-Pros in certain situations but they stumble and wilt under a little bit of adversity.  I really thought I was wrong about Kirk after the GB comeback in week 2 but now I'm not so sure.

The weird thing is that Cousins threw for 200 yards and 1 TD last night, while Wilson threw for only 72 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT, but yet Wilson looked so much more in command during the game and I never really doubted that he was going to make a huge play at some point in the game to get his team the win.  (And I can't stand Seattle or Wilson, so it bothers me to say that, but it's the truth.)

And yes, the O line and everyone involved in that disaster can suck my balls as well.

@"SFVikingFan" said: The thing that concerns me is that it doesn't look like Cousins plays well when the lights are at their brightest.  Case seemed to have that fight in him where you rarely felt like the game was unwinnable.  It wasn't always pretty but he scratched and clawed and could bring the team back from a deficit.  Then you have QBs like Cousins who can look like All-Pros in certain situations but they stumble and wilt under a little bit of adversity.  I really thought I was wrong about Kirk after the GB comeback in week 2 but now I'm not so sure.

The weird thing is that Cousins threw for 200 yards and 1 TD last night, while Wilson threw for only 72 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT, but yet Wilson looked so much more in command during the game and I never really doubted that he was going to make a huge play at some point in the game to get his team the win.  (And I can't stand Seattle or Wilson, so it bothers me to say that, but it's the truth.)

And yes, the O line and everyone involved in that disaster can suck my balls as well.

But how many yards came after the game was over? And wasn't Kirky's fumble returned for a TD the coup de grace on another patented Vikings/Cousins primetime chokejob? We certainly know his lone TD came with @ 1 minute left in the game, while the Seahawks were celebrating their win. I'd put a big ol' asterisk on THAT TD pass for sure.

@"njvike" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said: The thing that concerns me is that it doesn't look like Cousins plays well when the lights are at their brightest.  Case seemed to have that fight in him where you rarely felt like the game was unwinnable.  It wasn't always pretty but he scratched and clawed and could bring the team back from a deficit.  Then you have QBs like Cousins who can look like All-Pros in certain situations but they stumble and wilt under a little bit of adversity.  I really thought I was wrong about Kirk after the GB comeback in week 2 but now I'm not so sure.

The weird thing is that Cousins threw for 200 yards and 1 TD last night, while Wilson threw for only 72 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT, but yet Wilson looked so much more in command during the game and I never really doubted that he was going to make a huge play at some point in the game to get his team the win.  (And I can't stand Seattle or Wilson, so it bothers me to say that, but it's the truth.)

And yes, the O line and everyone involved in that disaster can suck my balls as well.

But how many yards came after the game was over? And wasn't Kirky's fumble returned for a TD the coup de grace on another patented Vikings/Cousins primetime chokejob? We certainly know his lone TD came with @ 1 minute left in the game, while the Seahawks were celebrating their win. I'd put a big ol' asterisk on THAT TD pass for sure.

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"njvike" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said: The thing that concerns me is that it doesn't look like Cousins plays well when the lights are at their brightest.  Case seemed to have that fight in him where you rarely felt like the game was unwinnable.  It wasn't always pretty but he scratched and clawed and could bring the team back from a deficit.  Then you have QBs like Cousins who can look like All-Pros in certain situations but they stumble and wilt under a little bit of adversity.  I really thought I was wrong about Kirk after the GB comeback in week 2 but now I'm not so sure.

The weird thing is that Cousins threw for 200 yards and 1 TD last night, while Wilson threw for only 72 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT, but yet Wilson looked so much more in command during the game and I never really doubted that he was going to make a huge play at some point in the game to get his team the win.  (And I can't stand Seattle or Wilson, so it bothers me to say that, but it's the truth.)

And yes, the O line and everyone involved in that disaster can suck my balls as well.

But how many yards came after the game was over? And wasn't Kirky's fumble returned for a TD the coup de grace on another patented Vikings/Cousins primetime chokejob? We certainly know his lone TD came with @ 1 minute left in the game, while the Seahawks were celebrating their win. I'd put a big ol' asterisk on THAT TD pass for sure.

No, I agree, most of Kirk's production came in garbage time.  I guess my main point was that even with Wilson's completely crap stat line, he still looked like the better QB last night.

I've been a Cousin's supporter....still am to a large extent, but he's a slow mover. He looks downfield in the pocket with noise around him, which is admirable, but he doesn't feel the pressure from behind. Horrible fumbler. But I certainly feel with a better offensive line, you can win with him. Especially with this defense. At the same time, its time to look for Kirk's replacement after his 3 year contract is up because no way will they resign him. They won't be winning a Superbowl. And the team needs to look at the new-age NFL QB types that are given every offensive rule advantage in today's NFL: draft a guy next year. Hell, draft another one in 2020 also. 

Well at least one person on the board is happy.

@"njvike" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Its just stupid now. What a waste of potential and a season. Typical Vikings.

What's worse, is that they'll stumble into the playoffs anyway, but get their asses kicked in the postseason for yet ANOTHER Schpielman Special, aka a playoff winless season. 

Just enough to keep St. Ricky in his Ivory Tower and allow him to identify his latest scapegoats, most likely Flipper and Priefer.

Wash, rinse, repeat. 

Cousins...like any QB...has holes in his game that were well known prior to his contract.  But he was and is far better than any QB we had on our roster and the money is what it is. 
Yes Cousins is not as mobile as (fill in you favorite mobile QB name).  And the fumbles when getting hit are clearly a problem.  His INT's are below the top 10 passers so it's not like he's a chucker. So all the good and bad facts about Kirk were well known.
The error in RS's calculation was the quality of the patchwork OL that was hobbled together to protect this investment.  A pocket passer needs a pocket and to think Kirk now needs to become Russell Wilson is silly.  RS needed to build up what was already a glaring weakness from 2017.

And how has that been working out? So you are suggesting Rick didn't make a mistake bringing him here.
Seriously, I keep hearing this offensive line excuse, but seem to recall Favre coming in in 2009 and making a very poor offensive line better.
Interceptions may be ok, but what about turnovers?
And even if Rick's mistake is the offensive line, it's still Rick's mistake.
This team was considered a superbowl contender before the season by most people. And though there is plenty of blame to go around, Cousins has not looked like any better than the journeyman QB we had last year. 
He's not a winner and neither is Spielman,nor the Vikings!