Select a QB in the upcoming Draft

there should always be a QB in waiting IMO,  to big of a position to not have a plan B in the system.   if its not Sloter then yes,  they damn well better be getting one in here.

@"JimmyinSD" said: there should always be a QB in waiting IMO,  to big of a position to not have a plan B in the system.   if its not Sloter then yes,  they damn well better be getting one in here.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: there should always be a QB in waiting IMO,  to big of a position to not have a plan B in the system.   if its not Sloter then yes,  they damn well better be getting one in here.

Yep. We'll see exactly how the team feels about Sloter this offseason and during the Draft. Sloter has the athletic ability and arm strength, just don't know if the team views him as a possible #1 guy. That might be a bridge too far for the guy.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: there should always be a QB in waiting IMO,  to big of a position to not have a plan B in the system.   if its not Sloter then yes,  they damn well better be getting one in here.

Yep. We'll see exactly how the team feels about Sloter this offseason and during the Draft. Sloter has the athletic ability and arm strength, just don't know if the team views him as a possible #1 guy. That might be a bridge too far for the kid.

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: there should always be a QB in waiting IMO,  to big of a position to not have a plan B in the system.   if its not Sloter then yes,  they damn well better be getting one in here.

Yep. We'll see exactly how the team feels about Sloter this offseason and during the Draft. Sloter has the athletic ability and arm strength, just don't know if the team views him as a possible #1 guy. That might be a bridge too far for the kid.

I don't think they see him as a # 1 either. Perhaps because of his size. But looking back to this years preseason, he was the only Vikings QB that played well. And he did play well. Cousins looked like check down Charlie, other than one throw to Diggs against Denver. And Siemian looked terrible. Sloter was placed in limbo when Cousins was signed. I'm not saying he has the potential to be Drew Brees, but I fear they will never give him the chance to find out. He has performed well every time he has had a chance to. Two weaknesses in Spielman's ability to evaluate talent are QB and offensive linemen!

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: there should always be a QB in waiting IMO,  to big of a position to not have a plan B in the system.   if its not Sloter then yes,  they damn well better be getting one in here.

Yep. We'll see exactly how the team feels about Sloter this offseason and during the Draft. Sloter has the athletic ability and arm strength, just don't know if the team views him as a possible #1 guy. That might be a bridge too far for the kid.

Ha! Strategically, you are probably right. But never going to happen because Spielman convinced the Wilfs to invest $84M in Cousins. Why would he do anything to suggest that it wasn't a fantastic decision that will result in a Lombardi Trophy or two and no more worries about that pesky QB position?

I think our clear priority for the offseason is getting 2
legit starting caliber guards, whether it’s in FA or the draft.  We need an OLine in front of whatever QB we
have and to give our OC a chance to run a balanced offense.  If we need to use our first two picks in the
draft on OLine, than so be it.  I’m 100%
in alignment with picking up another QB though, as long as it doesn’t interfere
with us getting our OLine figured out.  I
just don’t want another subpar FA pickup as part of the solution.  Best FA available and/or the best prospects
we can get.

@"Jor-El" said: Ha! Strategically, you are probably right. But never going to happen because Spielman convinced the Wilfs to invest $84M in Cousins. Why would he do anything to suggest that it wasn't a fantastic decision that will result in a Lombardi Trophy or two and no more worries about that pesky QB position?

@"Jor-El" said: Ha! Strategically, you are probably right. But never going to happen because Spielman convinced the Wilfs to invest $84M in Cousins. Why would he do anything to suggest that it wasn't a fantastic decision that will result in a Lombardi Trophy or two and no more worries about that pesky QB position?

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Jor-El" said: Ha! Strategically, you are probably right. But never going to happen because Spielman convinced the Wilfs to invest $84M in Cousins. Why would he do anything to suggest that it wasn't a fantastic decision that will result in a Lombardi Trophy or two and no more worries about that pesky QB position?

That's why it should be a 4th rounder. A player who will never be confused as competition for Cousins, but someone who can compete with Sloter as our #2. 

Justin Herbert from Oregon is an interesting prospect, if he declares.  Big, big arm and good size.  Raw.   Needs to sit a few years, not nearly as polished as Mariota was coming out.  But that also means due to his mediocre season he's not going Top 5 in the draft, so that works in our favor.

@"SFVikeFan" said: Justin Herbert from Oregon is an interesting prospect, if he declares.  Big, big arm and good size.  Raw.   Needs to sit a few years, not nearly as polished as Mariota was coming out.  But that also means due to his mediocre season he's not going Top 5 in the draft, so that works in our favor.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Jor-El" said: Ha! Strategically, you are probably right. But never going to happen because Spielman convinced the Wilfs to invest $84M in Cousins. Why would he do anything to suggest that it wasn't a fantastic decision that will result in a Lombardi Trophy or two and no more worries about that pesky QB position?

That's why it should be a 4th rounder. A player who will never be confused as competition for Cousins, but someone who can compete with Sloter as our #2. 

I dont think we need to go a first rounder,  but if we are taking a player.... lets take a player,  sure some QBs can be found in the later rounds,  but if we are talking about a guy that could be ready to take over for KC in 2 years if his contract demands are rediculous.. well then lets take a QB,  spending a mid round draft pick with the goal of not being good enought to challenge for the starting job seems wrong to me.  if the right guy is there in the 2nd or 3rd.. well nab him up and make capn kirk beat him.  of course I think we have more pressing needs than a back up QB,  I think Sloter should be the #2 already based on what we have seen,  but if he isnt... then they better be ready to get a guy that will be that and more with time.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Jor-El" said: Ha! Strategically, you are probably right. But never going to happen because Spielman convinced the Wilfs to invest $84M in Cousins. Why would he do anything to suggest that it wasn't a fantastic decision that will result in a Lombardi Trophy or two and no more worries about that pesky QB position?

That's why it should be a 4th rounder. A player who will never be confused as competition for Cousins, but someone who can compete with Sloter as our #2. 

I dont think we need to go a first rounder,  but if we are taking a player.... lets take a player,  sure some QBs can be found in the later rounds,  but if we are talking about a guy that could be ready to take over for KC in 2 years if his contract demands are rediculous.. well then lets take a QB,  spending a mid round draft pick with the goal of not being good enought to challenge for the starting job seems wrong to me.  if the right guy is there in the 2nd or 3rd.. well nab him up and make capn kirk beat him.  of course I think we have more pressing needs than a back up QB,  I think Sloter should be the #2 already based on what we have seen,  but if he isnt... then they better be ready to get a guy that will be that and more with time.

In my opinion, there are two kinds of QBs in the draft. Those who are top 10 picks (potential franchise QBs), and everyone else. So little difference between QBs taken outside of the top 10 and those you can get late, or even after the draft. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"SFVikeFan" said: Justin Herbert from Oregon is an interesting prospect, if he declares.  Big, big arm and good size.  Raw.   Needs to sit a few years, not nearly as polished as Mariota was coming out.  But that also means due to his mediocre season he's not going Top 5 in the draft, so that works in our favor.

One thing I like about Cousins is that he never seems to get hurt (knock wood). Some QBs are like that. They just know how to fall or something. Favre was that kind of QB. Herbert is the other kind.

Here's a darkhorse for a 4th-5th round QB pick that has some low level buzz with scouts, but not nationally: 

Jacob Dolegala, QB, Central Connecticut  
Height: 6-6. Weight: 235.  
Projected 40 Time: 4.80. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Jor-El" said: Ha! Strategically, you are probably right. But never going to happen because Spielman convinced the Wilfs to invest $84M in Cousins. Why would he do anything to suggest that it wasn't a fantastic decision that will result in a Lombardi Trophy or two and no more worries about that pesky QB position?

That's why it should be a 4th rounder. A player who will never be confused as competition for Cousins, but someone who can compete with Sloter as our #2. 

I dont think we need to go a first rounder,  but if we are taking a player.... lets take a player,  sure some QBs can be found in the later rounds,  but if we are talking about a guy that could be ready to take over for KC in 2 years if his contract demands are rediculous.. well then lets take a QB,  spending a mid round draft pick with the goal of not being good enought to challenge for the starting job seems wrong to me.  if the right guy is there in the 2nd or 3rd.. well nab him up and make capn kirk beat him.  of course I think we have more pressing needs than a back up QB,  I think Sloter should be the #2 already based on what we have seen,  but if he isnt... then they better be ready to get a guy that will be that and more with time.

In my opinion, there are two kinds of QBs in the draft. Those who are top 10 picks (potential franchise QBs), and everyone else. So little difference between QBs taken outside of the top 10 and those you can get late, or even after the draft. 

I think you need to add a few more categories.

IMO there are those that come in pretty much ready to play,  they could benefit from a little seasoning on the bench but they can play right away.
there are those that have to have some prep work but will eventually put it together and have nice careers...maybe even great careers... hell look at brady.
there are those that even with seasoning their ceiling is journeyman clip board holder, game manager at best
and those that are brought in simply to take some snaps/reps in camp.  never a real shot at developing or making a practice squad let alone a roster.

oh yeah.... and theres the Joe Webb experiments.. not sure where to rank those guys.

@"StickyBun" said: Here's a darkhorse for a 4th-5th round QB pick that has some low level buzz with scouts, but not nationally: 

Jacob Dolegala, QB, Central Connecticut  

Height: 6-6. Weight: 235.  
Projected 40 Time: 4.80. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Jor-El" said: Ha! Strategically, you are probably right. But never going to happen because Spielman convinced the Wilfs to invest $84M in Cousins. Why would he do anything to suggest that it wasn't a fantastic decision that will result in a Lombardi Trophy or two and no more worries about that pesky QB position?

That's why it should be a 4th rounder. A player who will never be confused as competition for Cousins, but someone who can compete with Sloter as our #2. 

I dont think we need to go a first rounder,  but if we are taking a player.... lets take a player,  sure some QBs can be found in the later rounds,  but if we are talking about a guy that could be ready to take over for KC in 2 years if his contract demands are rediculous.. well then lets take a QB,  spending a mid round draft pick with the goal of not being good enought to challenge for the starting job seems wrong to me.  if the right guy is there in the 2nd or 3rd.. well nab him up and make capn kirk beat him.  of course I think we have more pressing needs than a back up QB,  I think Sloter should be the #2 already based on what we have seen,  but if he isnt... then they better be ready to get a guy that will be that and more with time.

In my opinion, there are two kinds of QBs in the draft. Those who are top 10 picks (potential franchise QBs), and everyone else. So little difference between QBs taken outside of the top 10 and those you can get late, or even after the draft. 

I think you need to add a few more categories.

IMO there are those that come in pretty much ready to play,  they could benefit from a little seasoning on the bench but they can play right away.
there are those that have to have some prep work but will eventually put it together and have nice careers...maybe even great careers... hell look at brady.
there are those that even with seasoning their ceiling is journeyman clip board holder, game manager at best
and those that are brought in simply to take some snaps/reps in camp.  never a real shot at developing or making a practice squad let alone a roster.

oh yeah.... and theres the Joe Webb experiments.. not sure where to rank those guys.

I think there are other categories for other positions, but not so much QBs. You have the franchise guys, taken at the top because they're recognized as such (even though only about half turn out). And everyone else. And there's such little difference between guys taken late in round 1 and guys taken on day three. I think if you look at draft history (http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb) the hit rate on QBs outside of the top 10 is pretty low. And it doesn't improve a lot as you get higher in the draft.

If you look at every starting QB in the NFL, they were either taken high as a franchise guy, or someone got lucky. Brady (6th), Cousins (4th), Keenun (UDFA), Prescott (4th), Russel (3rd). Of the top of my head, I can think of no day-two "developmental" guy who ever turned out. Of course every year is different, and there are exceptions, but not enough for the Vikings to justify taking one high when they have big OL needs and an $84M QB who might actually prove his worth with a few of those OLs.