Going for the First

It was actually a smart play, IMO.  If they convert, the game is over.  The Vikings could run even more time off the clock and potentially score a TD to go up 17 points (3 scores instead of two).  Or kick a FG a couple plays later and have about a minute left for the Packers to try to make a come back.  Extremely unlikely. 
However, if you kick the FG, you're still only up 2 scores (13 pts vs 10 pts), but you give the Packers an opportunity for a long return on the ensuing kickoff with a couple minutes to go. 
I'd rather take my chances to win the game right there because the "downside" is that you pin them inside their own 10 yd line and they still have to go 90+ yds for a TD and would still need to recover an onside kick and get a game tying FG.
I like the call.  People have complained that Zimmer is too conservative, but this was actually a good decision if you're into analytics and showed some killer instinct. 

@"Wetlander" said: It was actually a smart play, IMO.  If they convert, the game is over.  The Vikings could run even more time off the clock and potentially score a TD to go up 17 points (3 scores instead of two).  Or kick a FG a couple plays later and have about a minute left for the Packers to try to make a come back.  Extremely unlikely.  However, if you kick the FG, you're still only up 2 scores (13 pts vs 10 pts), but you give the Packers an opportunity for a long return on the ensuing kickoff with a couple minutes to go.  I'd rather take my chances to win the game right there because the "downside" is that you pin them inside their own 10 yd line and they still have to go 90+ yds for a TD and would still need to recover an onside kick and get a game tying FG. I like the call.  People have complained that Zimmer is too conservative, but this was actually a good decision if you're into analytics and showed some killer instinct. 

count me in,  I was happy that they showed some confidence in the offense and at that point on the field and in the game I thought it was a safe/good call.

Thats how I looked at it wet

@"Wetlander" said: It was actually a smart play, IMO.  If they convert, the game is over.  The Vikings could run even more time off the clock and potentially score a TD to go up 17 points (3 scores instead of two).  Or kick a FG a couple plays later and have about a minute left for the Packers to try to make a come back.  Extremely unlikely.  However, if you kick the FG, you're still only up 2 scores (13 pts vs 10 pts), but you give the Packers an opportunity for a long return on the ensuing kickoff with a couple minutes to go.  I'd rather take my chances to win the game right there because the "downside" is that you pin them inside their own 10 yd line and they still have to go 90+ yds for a TD and would still need to recover an onside kick and get a game tying FG. I like the call.  People have complained that Zimmer is too conservative, but this was actually a good decision if you're into analytics and showed some killer instinct. 

So you don't think going for it had anything to do with Bailey's earlier misses?  I just think being up by 13 at that stage of the game would've essentially put the game away. 

I liked the call whether or not it was a shot at Bailey. Personally I think pretty much everyone on the team needed a call out. It was a game of field position and it was a good move, pin them as far back as you can.

It was a good call, not sure about the play call there.  A fake field goal would have been nice to see in that spot.   

@"HappyViking" said:

@"Wetlander" said: It was actually a smart play, IMO.  If they convert, the game is over.  The Vikings could run even more time off the clock and potentially score a TD to go up 17 points (3 scores instead of two).  Or kick a FG a couple plays later and have about a minute left for the Packers to try to make a come back.  Extremely unlikely.  However, if you kick the FG, you're still only up 2 scores (13 pts vs 10 pts), but you give the Packers an opportunity for a long return on the ensuing kickoff with a couple minutes to go.  I'd rather take my chances to win the game right there because the "downside" is that you pin them inside their own 10 yd line and they still have to go 90+ yds for a TD and would still need to recover an onside kick and get a game tying FG. I like the call.  People have complained that Zimmer is too conservative, but this was actually a good decision if you're into analytics and showed some killer instinct. 

So you don't think going for it had anything to do with Bailey's earlier misses?  I just think being up by 13 at that stage of the game would've essentially put the game away. 

@"HappyViking" said:

So you don't think going for it had anything to do with Bailey's earlier misses?  I just think being up by 13 at that stage of the game would've essentially put the game away. 

I don't think so...  I mean we kicked a 37 FG towards the end of the 3rd quarter.  If he wanted to send a message to the kicking unit, that would have been an opportunity to do so without giving the Packers good field position.  But we kicked it on 4th and long and Bailey put it through the uprights to go up 17-14.
Looking back at this season, Zimmer has been making more "gutsy" calls using analytics (like going for it on 4th and short around mid-field, going for 2 early in games, etc.) than in years past.  This was an opportunity to win the game with little downside if we don't convert. 
It is actually better to be up 10 than 13 in that situation...  with the amount of time left, Green Bay would have played it differently if they knew they needed 2 TDs to win.  They would have went for it on 4th and 1 and if they convert and score, they could win the game with a recovered onside kick and a Rodgers Hail Mary.  Playing it this way, we forced them to kick the FG on 4th down and even if they recovered, a TD would only tie it instead of winning it.
Just my two cents.

@"Wetlander" said: It was actually a smart play, IMO.  If they convert, the game is over.  The Vikings could run even more time off the clock and potentially score a TD to go up 17 points (3 scores instead of two).  Or kick a FG a couple plays later and have about a minute left for the Packers to try to make a come back.  Extremely unlikely.  However, if you kick the FG, you're still only up 2 scores (13 pts vs 10 pts), but you give the Packers an opportunity for a long return on the ensuing kickoff with a couple minutes to go.  I'd rather take my chances to win the game right there because the "downside" is that you pin them inside their own 10 yd line and they still have to go 90+ yds for a TD and would still need to recover an onside kick and get a game tying FG. I like the call.  People have complained that Zimmer is too conservative, but this was actually a good decision if you're into analytics and showed some killer instinct. 

Same here.  I was calling for it before they decided to do it.  Go for the kill.  End the game.  Either way, it was still a 2 score game.  Didn't really like the play called, but love the decision.

Zero doubt Z was pushed into it by Bailey's misses. He was pissed off and rightly so. This kicking thing is a fucking nightmare. Glad to see Zimmer get less conservative but Bailey's inadequacy is what pushed him there.

I don't know (or care) whether Zim is too aggressive or too conservative. Or whether this was the right call or not. But one of the things that does bug me about him is this mind game stuff. Whether it's with injured players or kickers, he seems to let his emotions get the best of him. If you want to know why we seem to always struggle with kickers, I'd say Zim is your leading candidate. 

@"MaroonBells" said: I don't know (or care) whether Zim is too aggressive or too conservative. Or whether this was the right call or not. But one of the things that does bug me about him is this mind game stuff. Whether it's with injured players or kickers, he seems to let his emotions get the best of him. If you want to know why we seem to always struggle with kickers, I'd say Zim is your leading candidate. 

I would say its either him or Preifer...either way the mind games arent going to help and we will need Bailey to be at his best the next 2 weeks to have a legit shot at winning those games and possibly catching the bears.

Anyone still pining for Pat Shurmur still? Horribly called game in the 2nd half and blew a 19-3 lead. Gave the ball to Barkley only 5 times in the second half.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"Wetlander" said: It was actually a smart play, IMO.  If they convert, the game is over.  The Vikings could run even more time off the clock and potentially score a TD to go up 17 points (3 scores instead of two).  Or kick a FG a couple plays later and have about a minute left for the Packers to try to make a come back.  Extremely unlikely.  However, if you kick the FG, you're still only up 2 scores (13 pts vs 10 pts), but you give the Packers an opportunity for a long return on the ensuing kickoff with a couple minutes to go.  I'd rather take my chances to win the game right there because the "downside" is that you pin them inside their own 10 yd line and they still have to go 90+ yds for a TD and would still need to recover an onside kick and get a game tying FG. I like the call.  People have complained that Zimmer is too conservative, but this was actually a good decision if you're into analytics and showed some killer instinct. 

So you don't think going for it had anything to do with Bailey's earlier misses?  I just think being up by 13 at that stage of the game would've essentially put the game away. 

oh it was a shot at the kicking unit,  Zim said so himself at half apparently,  told the sideline chick that he was done with field goals or some such shit IIRC.

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"Wetlander" said: It was actually a smart play, IMO.  If they convert, the game is over.  The Vikings could run even more time off the clock and potentially score a TD to go up 17 points (3 scores instead of two).  Or kick a FG a couple plays later and have about a minute left for the Packers to try to make a come back.  Extremely unlikely.  However, if you kick the FG, you're still only up 2 scores (13 pts vs 10 pts), but you give the Packers an opportunity for a long return on the ensuing kickoff with a couple minutes to go.  I'd rather take my chances to win the game right there because the "downside" is that you pin them inside their own 10 yd line and they still have to go 90+ yds for a TD and would still need to recover an onside kick and get a game tying FG. I like the call.  People have complained that Zimmer is too conservative, but this was actually a good decision if you're into analytics and showed some killer instinct. 

So you don't think going for it had anything to do with Bailey's earlier misses?  I just think being up by 13 at that stage of the game would've essentially put the game away. 

oh it was a shot at the kicking unit,  Zim said so himself at half apparently,  told the sideline chick that he was done with field goals or some such shit IIRC.

Yeah he did call his shot there. I heard her. Then when the time came he followed through. I was a bit surprised still.
I still have more of a problem with running :30 off the clock before half in case they couldn't complete the 3rd down. It was agreed with by some just not me. I understand the thinking. I thought it was wrong. Kirk was lighting them up. Nearly 200 by half. Rodgers was half that. You trust your QB to do what he's been doing all day or the defense to keep on stopping him. I felt it was a bit disrespectful to both units being how they were doing. Hindsight we could have used them :30. Kirk did his thing.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"Wetlander" said: It was actually a smart play, IMO.  If they convert, the game is over.  The Vikings could run even more time off the clock and potentially score a TD to go up 17 points (3 scores instead of two).  Or kick a FG a couple plays later and have about a minute left for the Packers to try to make a come back.  Extremely unlikely.  However, if you kick the FG, you're still only up 2 scores (13 pts vs 10 pts), but you give the Packers an opportunity for a long return on the ensuing kickoff with a couple minutes to go.  I'd rather take my chances to win the game right there because the "downside" is that you pin them inside their own 10 yd line and they still have to go 90+ yds for a TD and would still need to recover an onside kick and get a game tying FG. I like the call.  People have complained that Zimmer is too conservative, but this was actually a good decision if you're into analytics and showed some killer instinct. 

So you don't think going for it had anything to do with Bailey's earlier misses?  I just think being up by 13 at that stage of the game would've essentially put the game away. 

oh it was a shot at the kicking unit,  Zim said so himself at half apparently,  told the sideline chick that he was done with field goals or some such shit IIRC.

Yeah he did call his shot there. I heard her. Then when the time came he followed through. I was a bit surprised still.
I still have more of a problem with running :30 off the clock before half in case they couldn't complete the 3rd down. It was agreed with by some just not me. I understand the thinking. I thought it was wrong. Kirk was lighting them up. Nearly 200 by half. Rodgers was half that. You trust your QB to do what he's been doing all day or the defense to keep on stopping him. I felt it was a bit disrespectful to both units being how they were doing. Hindsight we could have used them :30. Kirk did his thing.

backed up a bit and wasnt it before the 3rd down play that they decided to run some clock?  I kind of agree with that choice,  they still had time outs if they converted, but didnt want to leave ar much to work with if they didnt  IIRC.

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"Wetlander" said: It was actually a smart play, IMO.  If they convert, the game is over.  The Vikings could run even more time off the clock and potentially score a TD to go up 17 points (3 scores instead of two).  Or kick a FG a couple plays later and have about a minute left for the Packers to try to make a come back.  Extremely unlikely.  However, if you kick the FG, you're still only up 2 scores (13 pts vs 10 pts), but you give the Packers an opportunity for a long return on the ensuing kickoff with a couple minutes to go.  I'd rather take my chances to win the game right there because the "downside" is that you pin them inside their own 10 yd line and they still have to go 90+ yds for a TD and would still need to recover an onside kick and get a game tying FG. I like the call.  People have complained that Zimmer is too conservative, but this was actually a good decision if you're into analytics and showed some killer instinct. 

So you don't think going for it had anything to do with Bailey's earlier misses?  I just think being up by 13 at that stage of the game would've essentially put the game away. 

oh it was a shot at the kicking unit,  Zim said so himself at half apparently,  told the sideline chick that he was done with field goals or some such shit IIRC.

Yeah he did call his shot there. I heard her. Then when the time came he followed through. I was a bit surprised still.
I still have more of a problem with running :30 off the clock before half in case they couldn't complete the 3rd down. It was agreed with by some just not me. I understand the thinking. I thought it was wrong. Kirk was lighting them up. Nearly 200 by half. Rodgers was half that. You trust your QB to do what he's been doing all day or the defense to keep on stopping him. I felt it was a bit disrespectful to both units being how they were doing. Hindsight we could have used them :30. Kirk did his thing.

backed up a bit and wasnt it before the 3rd down play that they decided to run some clock?  I kind of agree with that choice,  they still had time outs if they converted, but didnt want to leave ar much to work with if they didnt  IIRC.

Yes I said 3rd down. I understood the reason just didn't like it. He played it too safe at home. Away would be different. McCarthy wouldn't have home or away with Rodgers. Cousins was having a very Rodgers like day.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"Wetlander" said: It was actually a smart play, IMO.  If they convert, the game is over.  The Vikings could run even more time off the clock and potentially score a TD to go up 17 points (3 scores instead of two).  Or kick a FG a couple plays later and have about a minute left for the Packers to try to make a come back.  Extremely unlikely.  However, if you kick the FG, you're still only up 2 scores (13 pts vs 10 pts), but you give the Packers an opportunity for a long return on the ensuing kickoff with a couple minutes to go.  I'd rather take my chances to win the game right there because the "downside" is that you pin them inside their own 10 yd line and they still have to go 90+ yds for a TD and would still need to recover an onside kick and get a game tying FG. I like the call.  People have complained that Zimmer is too conservative, but this was actually a good decision if you're into analytics and showed some killer instinct. 

So you don't think going for it had anything to do with Bailey's earlier misses?  I just think being up by 13 at that stage of the game would've essentially put the game away. 

oh it was a shot at the kicking unit,  Zim said so himself at half apparently,  told the sideline chick that he was done with field goals or some such shit IIRC.

Yeah he did call his shot there. I heard her. Then when the time came he followed through. I was a bit surprised still.
I still have more of a problem with running :30 off the clock before half in case they couldn't complete the 3rd down. It was agreed with by some just not me. I understand the thinking. I thought it was wrong. Kirk was lighting them up. Nearly 200 by half. Rodgers was half that. You trust your QB to do what he's been doing all day or the defense to keep on stopping him. I felt it was a bit disrespectful to both units being how they were doing. Hindsight we could have used them :30. Kirk did his thing.

backed up a bit and wasnt it before the 3rd down play that they decided to run some clock?  I kind of agree with that choice,  they still had time outs if they converted, but didnt want to leave ar much to work with if they didnt  IIRC.

Yes I said 3rd down. I understood the reason just didn't like it. He played it too safe at home. Away would be different. McCarthy wouldn't have home or away with Rodgers. Cousins was having a very Rodgers like day.

and mccarthy will likely be looking for a job in a couple months,  Cousins has a couple throws last night that didnt instill a lot of confidence so I guess I am good with it.  If we were losing or felt like we were in a shoot out maybe,  but the game had settled down a bit by then.  

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"Wetlander" said: It was actually a smart play, IMO.  If they convert, the game is over.  The Vikings could run even more time off the clock and potentially score a TD to go up 17 points (3 scores instead of two).  Or kick a FG a couple plays later and have about a minute left for the Packers to try to make a come back.  Extremely unlikely.  However, if you kick the FG, you're still only up 2 scores (13 pts vs 10 pts), but you give the Packers an opportunity for a long return on the ensuing kickoff with a couple minutes to go.  I'd rather take my chances to win the game right there because the "downside" is that you pin them inside their own 10 yd line and they still have to go 90+ yds for a TD and would still need to recover an onside kick and get a game tying FG. I like the call.  People have complained that Zimmer is too conservative, but this was actually a good decision if you're into analytics and showed some killer instinct. 

So you don't think going for it had anything to do with Bailey's earlier misses?  I just think being up by 13 at that stage of the game would've essentially put the game away. 

oh it was a shot at the kicking unit,  Zim said so himself at half apparently,  told the sideline chick that he was done with field goals or some such shit IIRC.

Yeah he did call his shot there. I heard her. Then when the time came he followed through. I was a bit surprised still.
I still have more of a problem with running :30 off the clock before half in case they couldn't complete the 3rd down. It was agreed with by some just not me. I understand the thinking. I thought it was wrong. Kirk was lighting them up. Nearly 200 by half. Rodgers was half that. You trust your QB to do what he's been doing all day or the defense to keep on stopping him. I felt it was a bit disrespectful to both units being how they were doing. Hindsight we could have used them :30. Kirk did his thing.

backed up a bit and wasnt it before the 3rd down play that they decided to run some clock?  I kind of agree with that choice,  they still had time outs if they converted, but didnt want to leave ar much to work with if they didnt  IIRC.

Yes I said 3rd down. I understood the reason just didn't like it. He played it too safe at home. Away would be different. McCarthy wouldn't have home or away with Rodgers. Cousins was having a very Rodgers like day.

and mccarthy will likely be looking for a job in a couple months,  Cousins has a couple throws last night that didnt instill a lot of confidence so I guess I am good with it.  If we were losing or felt like we were in a shoot out maybe,  but the game had settled down a bit by then.  

Not that it matters if McFatty gets fired or not. I'm actually hoping not. He is losing his team or his QB...never mind that is his team.
Just I'm hearing alot of. He showed alot of guts, put them away there..ect. Thread is, was going for it a shot at the kicker. I agreed the kicker let us down already. Kirk was killing them. I think it was too damn conservative and we ended up with nothing. When with those extra :30 we might have done something. I guess I'm just playing devil. Lets not go overboard with praising his nerve. He's still kinda the same.

I liked the call too.  Cousins had an open receiver but once again the OL let him down which led to the tipped pass.  Definitely not Zimmer's fault, or DeFlippo's either.