Jimmy Butler out
Timberwolves send Jimmy Butler and Justin Patton to Philadelphia for Dario Saric, Robert Covington and a 2022 second-round pick, per @ShamsCharania pic.twitter.com/IRWEHmQUz4
— Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) November 10, 2018
You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it. — Robin Williams
Seems like his value dropped from the Miami deal that fell through. Well, at least the team can move on now.
Good riddance. He has been a whiny baby about this whole situation. He is everything that is wrong with the NBA.
Are the T Wolves considered the Browns of the NBA? I don't watch them (or any basket ball), but it just seems like they're always bad. Hope this works out somehow. Losing your best player doesn't sound like it's going to help them win many games.
Outside of the Bucks, I have very little knowledge of who's who...was this a better trade than 4 #1 picks?
@"Caactorvike" said: Seems like his value dropped from the Miami deal that fell through. Well, at least the team can move on now.I don't think they really had much choice since he was going to be gone at the end of the season. Best player or not when you are a shit teammate, it's not going to work. When he pissed all over Derrick Rose's big game, you are going to be gone. They won without him. It looks like it was time to move on.
@"BarrNone55" said: Outside of the Bucks, I have very little knowledge of who's who...was this a better trade than 4 #1 picks?Those picks would have to be made every other draft by rule, taking 7 yrs to realize, and not knowing where they would land each year... so who knows?
The final days of the Butler saga, and why it could cost Thibodeau his job
As Tom Thibodeau's plan disintegrated, owner Glen Taylor lost his last remnants of belief in this crumbling regime. Taylor had delivered Thibodeau a long and rich contract as the Minnesota Timberwolves president and coach, control of basketball operations and the trust to be a steward of a franchise forever in disrepair.Taylor's judgment has been perpetually suspect, from a secret Joe Smith deal that cost Minnesota draft picks to wasting Kevin Garnett's prime to the David Kahn catastrophe. In getting things wrong, Taylor has been spectacular in his mishaps.
In the end, Taylor didn't sign off on a Jimmy Butler trade as much as he surrendered to one of the most embarrassing episodes in franchise history.
Thibodeau sold Taylor on trading a starry young core and a high lottery pick to Chicago for Butler on draft night in 2017, sold him on waiting out Butler's preseason trade demand for two months.
He sold him a strategy of publicly excusing Butler's disruptive behavior, compromising his own credibility within his locker room, because Thibodeau believed he could navigate the dysfunction and win games.
Thibodeau sold Taylor on passing on a strong Miami trade package, because he was sure Pat Riley would come back with a better offer, and the league would chase in a bidding frenzy for Butler.
Taylor kept doubling down, and when he hung up the phone with Philadelphia owner Josh Harris on Saturday morning, Minnesota had lost everything -- the four-time All-Star in his prime, the trade standoff, and ultimately, the trust to stay with Thibodeau and GM Scott Layden beyond this season.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25245073/adrian-wojnarowski-look-final-days-jimmy-butler-saga-nba
I really like Saric and Covington is a nice piece to add defensively. JimmyBummer was a waste of space and overstayed his welcome. I was really excited in the possibility of bringing in Josh Richardson from Miami, as he is very talented.
That said, Saric is a very underrated player, IMO. He will fit the stretch 4 position well and mesh well with Towns. This will allow the offense to go through Towns again. Having Saric and Towns as the 4 and 5 is going to be fun to watch. Maybe...just maybe, this will allow Wiggins to pick up his game as well.
@"IceRatz16" said: I really like Saric and Covington is a nice piece to add defensively.The problem this doesn't solve is what had Butler PO'd in the first place: Wiggins and KAT only playing one side of the court. Basically this is the victory of 2 one-dimensional "franchise" players over the player and coach who tried to get them to at least fake like they cared about defense.
Butler going public made things worse, but I can guess how frustrated he'd gotten privately seeing the difference between Thibs' Chicago teams built on defensive effort and the TWolves' "stars" treating half the game like paid vacation.
If 4-time all-star Butler couldn't light a fire under their asses, good luck to Covington inspiring a defensive renaissance in this bunch.
I said it a month ago amd will say it again. Blow the whole thing up. Was ecited when the got Kat, bUT his lack of give a shit half the time is sad. Same for Wiggins. Tibs needs to go as well, his one redeeming factor was landing butler bit he couldn't make that work and lost lavine in the process. Time to hit reset once again on the browns of the nba.
@"RS Express" said:@"IceRatz16" said: I really like Saric and Covington is a nice piece to add defensively. The problem this doesn't solve is what had Butler PO'd in the first place: Wiggins and KAT only playing one side of the court. Basically this is the victory of 2 one-dimensional "franchise" players over the player and coach who tried to get them to at least fake like they cared about defense.Butler going public made things worse, but I can guess how frustrated he'd gotten privately seeing the difference between Thibs' Chicago teams built on defensive effort and the TWolves' "stars" treating half the game like paid vacation.
If 4-time all-star Butler couldn't light a fire under their asses, good luck to Covington inspiring a defensive renaissance in this bunch.
No, the problem was, if true, that JimmyBastard slept with KAT's girl. If I were KAT I wouldn't have been motivated by that loser either. Frankly, I'm surprised KAT even played when he was on the court.
I have never been a fan of Wiggins as he's a poor-man's Carmelo, who does nothing but shoot. I'm hoping he can find himself soon and/or improve his game and that these blue-collar players will bring a new resurgence for him and this team.
The problem with Jimmy is Jimmy was all about Jimmy. I was pumped to have him, thinking he would have been a great motivator by his game, but his mouth was too big and his actions were inexcusable, IMO.
@"JimmyinSD" said:I said it a month ago amd will say it again. Blow the whole thing up. Was ecited when the got Kat, bUT his lack of give a shit half the time is sad. Same for Wiggins. Tibs needs to go as well, his one redeeming factor was landing butler bit he couldn't make that work and lost lavine in the process. Time to hit reset once again on the browns of the nba.
I would agree to an extent. There is no way the Wolves should get rid of KAT. He is the team and you have to build around him. Bringing in Saric and Covington is a good thing.
I think the biggest issue I had with Thibs was that he got rid of Rubio. That's right, Ricky Rubio. What Ricky lacked in "shooting", he gained in FT%, defense, passing, and court vision. Teague is not that and has not provided a strong offensive flow since Ricky left. Ricky may not be the 3-point specialist Steph Curry is, but he can drive the lane and create plays that Teague just cannot. You cannot have 5 guys vying for 15 shots a game.
@"IceRatz16" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:I said it a month ago amd will say it again. Blow the whole thing up. Was ecited when the got Kat, bUT his lack of give a shit half the time is sad. Same for Wiggins. Tibs needs to go as well, his one redeeming factor was landing butler bit he couldn't make that work and lost lavine in the process. Time to hit reset once again on the browns of the nba.I would agree to an extent. There is no way the Wolves should get rid of KAT. He is the team and you have to build around him. Bringing in Saric and Covington is a good thing.
I think the biggest issue I had with Thibs was that he got rid of Rubio. That's right, Ricky Rubio. What Ricky lacked in "shooting", he gained in FT%, defense, passing, and court vision. Teague is not that and has not provided a strong offensive flow since Ricky left. Ricky may not be the 3-point specialist Steph Curry is, but he can drive the lane and create plays that Teague just cannot. You cannot have 5 guys vying for 15 shots a game.
well if Kat doesnt show something soon he needs to be gone, even offensively he plays to soft to often. theres a time for his step back jumpers and a time to force the issue and draw some fouls in the paint and get their bigs out of the game but he never seems to really take it at the opposing teams inside guys.
Kat's been busy, quit raging on him lol!
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@"purplefaithful" said: Kat's been busy, quit raging on him lol!
Ah, now I understand why he might be soft...he watches too many Despicable Me movies. Great movies, but not for the leader of your basketball team. He needs to go now!
@"IceRatz16" said:@"purplefaithful" said: Kat's been busy, quit raging on him lol!Ah, now I understand why he might be soft...he watches too many Despicable Me movies. Great movies, but not for the leader of your basketball team. He needs to go now!
i figured it was because he was to tired to give a shit after sitting up all night watching other people play video games.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"IceRatz16" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:I said it a month ago amd will say it again. Blow the whole thing up. Was ecited when the got Kat, bUT his lack of give a shit half the time is sad. Same for Wiggins. Tibs needs to go as well, his one redeeming factor was landing butler bit he couldn't make that work and lost lavine in the process. Time to hit reset once again on the browns of the nba.I would agree to an extent. There is no way the Wolves should get rid of KAT. He is the team and you have to build around him. Bringing in Saric and Covington is a good thing.
I think the biggest issue I had with Thibs was that he got rid of Rubio. That's right, Ricky Rubio. What Ricky lacked in "shooting", he gained in FT%, defense, passing, and court vision. Teague is not that and has not provided a strong offensive flow since Ricky left. Ricky may not be the 3-point specialist Steph Curry is, but he can drive the lane and create plays that Teague just cannot. You cannot have 5 guys vying for 15 shots a game.
well if Kat doesnt show something soon he needs to be gone, even offensively he plays to soft to often. theres a time for his step back jumpers and a time to force the issue and draw some fouls in the paint and get their bigs out of the game but he never seems to really take it at the opposing teams inside guys.While I understand your point, I'm not sure what you are looking for from him. His last game with JimmyBummer, he recorded 39 points, 19 boards, 1 assist (I think to Jimmy by the way as a parting gift), and a block. All that was 15 baskets of 27 attempts and 7-7 from the line. I didn't see anything wrong with his game that night, nor did I see anything wrong with KAT the year before JimmyButt joined the Wolves. He is not Hack-a-Shaq, who's going to go to the line 10+ times a night. KAT is a cornerstone to build off of...I'm surprised you don't see that and want to move away from him.
What the Wolves need are support players, just like every powerhouse team. Hell, Steph Curry needed Thompson, who is a better Wiggins (doesn't play D, but shoots very well), he needed Draymond (who plays like a poor-man's Dennis Rodman, but won't be the leading scorer game in and game out), and now he has Durant, who may be one of the best swingmen in the game. He also had Andre Iguodala, who is similar to Covington, IMO.
@"IceRatz16" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"IceRatz16" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:I said it a month ago amd will say it again. Blow the whole thing up. Was ecited when the got Kat, bUT his lack of give a shit half the time is sad. Same for Wiggins. Tibs needs to go as well, his one redeeming factor was landing butler bit he couldn't make that work and lost lavine in the process. Time to hit reset once again on the browns of the nba.I would agree to an extent. There is no way the Wolves should get rid of KAT. He is the team and you have to build around him. Bringing in Saric and Covington is a good thing.
I think the biggest issue I had with Thibs was that he got rid of Rubio. That's right, Ricky Rubio. What Ricky lacked in "shooting", he gained in FT%, defense, passing, and court vision. Teague is not that and has not provided a strong offensive flow since Ricky left. Ricky may not be the 3-point specialist Steph Curry is, but he can drive the lane and create plays that Teague just cannot. You cannot have 5 guys vying for 15 shots a game.
well if Kat doesnt show something soon he needs to be gone, even offensively he plays to soft to often. theres a time for his step back jumpers and a time to force the issue and draw some fouls in the paint and get their bigs out of the game but he never seems to really take it at the opposing teams inside guys.While I understand your point, I'm not sure what you are looking for from him. His last game with JimmyBummer, he recorded 39 points, 19 boards, 1 assist (I think to Jimmy by the way as a parting gift), and a block. All that was 15 baskets of 27 attempts and 7-7 from the line. I didn't see anything wrong with his game that night, nor did I see anything wrong with KAT the year before JimmyButt joined the Wolves. He is not Hack-a-Shaq, who's going to go to the line 10+ times a night. KAT is a cornerstone to build off of...I'm surprised you don't see that and want to move away from him.
What the Wolves need are support players, just like every powerhouse team. Hell, Steph Curry needed Thompson, who is a better Wiggins (doesn't play D, but shoots very well), he needed Draymond (who plays like a poor-man's Dennis Rodman, but won't be the leading scorer game in and game out), and now he has Durant, who may be one of the best swingmen in the game. He also had Andre Iguodala, who is similar to Covington, IMO.
I want to see a power guy in the paint that will play defense and force the issue on offense once in a while. Kat has the size, but he doesnt seem to like contact and tends to let the defender off to easy in the post play IMO. I like bigs that will attack the basket both for scoring and for rebounds. the easiest way to beat your man is to get him in foul trouble early and he either has to lay off you or they will sit him, in sports we always talk about going for the jugular, well a guy in foul trouble should be blood in the water for a basketball team on offense and I dont see KAT working his man hard early in games to get him in trouble... KAT however tends to get worked from time to time and it usually ends up as a wolves loss because he committs those fouls and sits half the game.
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