Any Word on Rhodes or Barr?

Been wondering the same thing 

Zimmer won't say anything till Wednesday...And even then I'm guessing he'll hold his cards close to the vest

Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

Expect to get any useful info from Zimmer and you will be disappointed.  It is not his job to provide information.  Just a few weeks ago he denied a report that Griff would not be back any time soon.  I guess nobody defined what "soon" meant.
I am expecting no X, Barr, or Sendejo on defense, and no Reiff, Compton or Cook on offense. I am hopeful about Joseph. 

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

I know...really!

The defense is ranked 11th, the offense 13th: lots of 'could be better' ats, but ultimately the team is in a good situation and its in their hands now moving forward. The D is on a better pace for 3rd down defense than even last year, which is pretty amazing. If the season ended today, Minnesota would be the #4 seed in the NFC in the playoffs. But New Orleans is going to be a very tough win. Very.

The team is missing Dalvin Cook as a guy to target and go to when both Diggs and Thielen are double teamed. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

I know...really!

he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes.  is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off?  sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game,  but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it.   it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.

@"Ralphie" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

I know...really!

he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes.  is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off?  sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game,  but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it.   it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.

I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO.  With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks.  Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

I know...really!

he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes.  is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off?  sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game,  but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it.   it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.

I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO.  With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks.  Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.

the reason they are trying that underneath shit is because he is getting taken away down field.   they are using those other looks to try and keep him involved,  its not like he is not getting those routes from time to time... they just arent there with the coverages that Diggs is drawing.... especially when Cousins is having to get the ball out in a 2.5 count on most snaps.  Diggs skills are great for getting open on double and triple moves,  but those take a few seconds to set up... our OL isnt able to consistently give that time.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

I know...really!

he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes.  is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off?  sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game,  but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it.   it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.

@"Ralphie" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

I know...really!

he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes.  is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off?  sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game,  but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it.   it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.

I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO.  With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks.  Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.

@"greediron" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

I know...really!

he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes.  is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off?  sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game,  but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it.   it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.

I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO.  With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks.  Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.

Treadwell?  Scat back?  Doesn't seem like a fit to me.  Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

I know...really!

he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes.  is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off?  sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game,  but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it.   it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.

I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO.  With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks.  Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.

Treadwell?  Scat back?  Doesn't seem like a fit to me.  Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.

Yeah as for Treadwell. I'm a little tired of the extra work needed to try and make him useful. Either you are or you ain't. At what point this season do we conclude he's not coming back next year and see if someone here now is. 

@"greediron" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

I know...really!

he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes.  is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off?  sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game,  but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it.   it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.

I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO.  With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks.  Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.

Treadwell?  Scat back?  Doesn't seem like a fit to me.  Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

I know...really!

he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes.  is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off?  sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game,  but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it.   it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.

I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO.  With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks.  Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.

Treadwell?  Scat back?  Doesn't seem like a fit to me.  Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.

Yeah as for Treadwell. I'm a little tired of the extra work needed to try and make him useful. Either you are or you ain't. At what point this season do we conclude he's not coming back next year and see if someone here now is. 

the Treadwell angst is silly.  he is #3 receiver on a team that has studs at 1 and 2, and a usually sure handed pass catching TE,   and a coach that wants to stay balanced on O between run and pass as much as he can.  I dont think anything is being manufactured for him,  its opportunities that show up at times for him due to teams taking away the other options.  The guy has been solid since the GBay game and yet people are still bagging on him.  I dont understand where it comes from or what people are expecting out of anybody in that situation.... especially if people want to watch some film and realize that many of our chunk plays from the LOS are due to him making a block that a lot of receivers would not make.

i know that people are frustrated that he was a first round pick,  but hell its time to get past that and realize that we have a #3 receiver that is contributing quite well on an offense that is still finding its identity under a new OC.  and when he is called on he is making the plays,  he can only do what is asked of him.

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

I know...really!

he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes.  is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off?  sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game,  but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it.   it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.

I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO.  With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks.  Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.

Treadwell?  Scat back?  Doesn't seem like a fit to me.  Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.

Yeah as for Treadwell. I'm a little tired of the extra work needed to try and make him useful. Either you are or you ain't. At what point this season do we conclude he's not coming back next year and see if someone here now is. 

the Treadwell angst is silly.  he is #3 receiver on a team that has studs at 1 and 2, and a usually sure handed pass catching TE,   and a coach that wants to stay balanced on O between run and pass as much as he can.  I dont think anything is being manufactured for him,  its opportunities that show up at times for him due to teams taking away the other options.  The guy has been solid since the GBay game and yet people are still bagging on him.  I dont understand where it comes from or what people are expecting out of anybody in that situation.... especially if people want to watch some film and realize that many of our chunk plays from the LOS are due to him making a block that a lot of receivers would not make.

i know that people are frustrated that he was a first round pick,  but hell its time to get past that and realize that we have a #3 receiver that is contributing quite well on an offense that is still finding its identity under a new OC.  and when he is called on he is making the plays,  he can only do what is asked of him.

You're right the angst against Treadwell is silly. He didn't draft himself in the 1st round. However there lies the problem. We spent another high draft pick on a receiver we won't sign to a 2nd contract. You are right it's more my problem then his. Wonder what would have happened if we drafted a Oline guy insted. Nevermind we blow them often enough too.  Maybe any position as long as he started. That's my angst. 1st rounders are not #3.

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

I know...really!

he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes.  is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off?  sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game,  but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it.   it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.

I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO.  With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks.  Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.

Treadwell?  Scat back?  Doesn't seem like a fit to me.  Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.

Yeah as for Treadwell. I'm a little tired of the extra work needed to try and make him useful. Either you are or you ain't. At what point this season do we conclude he's not coming back next year and see if someone here now is. 

the Treadwell angst is silly.  he is #3 receiver on a team that has studs at 1 and 2, and a usually sure handed pass catching TE,   and a coach that wants to stay balanced on O between run and pass as much as he can.  I dont think anything is being manufactured for him,  its opportunities that show up at times for him due to teams taking away the other options.  The guy has been solid since the GBay game and yet people are still bagging on him.  I dont understand where it comes from or what people are expecting out of anybody in that situation.... especially if people want to watch some film and realize that many of our chunk plays from the LOS are due to him making a block that a lot of receivers would not make.

i know that people are frustrated that he was a first round pick,  but hell its time to get past that and realize that we have a #3 receiver that is contributing quite well on an offense that is still finding its identity under a new OC.  and when he is called on he is making the plays,  he can only do what is asked of him.

You're right the angst against Treadwell is silly. He didn't draft himself in the 1st round. However there lies the problem. We spent another high draft pick on a receiver we won't sign to a 2nd contract. You are right it's more my problem then his. Wonder what would have happened if we drafted a Oline guy insted. Nevermind we blow them often enough too.  Maybe any position as long as he started. That's my angst. 1st rounders are not #3.

@"HappyViking" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"suncoastvike" said:

@"Ralphie" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.

I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards.  His under usage is nauseating.

I know...really!

he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes.  is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off?  sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game,  but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it.   it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.

I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO.  With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks.  Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.

Treadwell?  Scat back?  Doesn't seem like a fit to me.  Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.

Yeah as for Treadwell. I'm a little tired of the extra work needed to try and make him useful. Either you are or you ain't. At what point this season do we conclude he's not coming back next year and see if someone here now is. 

the Treadwell angst is silly.  he is #3 receiver on a team that has studs at 1 and 2, and a usually sure handed pass catching TE,   and a coach that wants to stay balanced on O between run and pass as much as he can.  I dont think anything is being manufactured for him,  its opportunities that show up at times for him due to teams taking away the other options.  The guy has been solid since the GBay game and yet people are still bagging on him.  I dont understand where it comes from or what people are expecting out of anybody in that situation.... especially if people want to watch some film and realize that many of our chunk plays from the LOS are due to him making a block that a lot of receivers would not make.

i know that people are frustrated that he was a first round pick,  but hell its time to get past that and realize that we have a #3 receiver that is contributing quite well on an offense that is still finding its identity under a new OC.  and when he is called on he is making the plays,  he can only do what is asked of him.

You're right the angst against Treadwell is silly. He didn't draft himself in the 1st round. However there lies the problem. We spent another high draft pick on a receiver we won't sign to a 2nd contract. You are right it's more my problem then his. Wonder what would have happened if we drafted a Oline guy insted. Nevermind we blow them often enough too.  Maybe any position as long as he started. That's my angst. 1st rounders are not #3.

Are undrafted walkons or 5th rounders #1s?  If they wiffed on the Treadwell pick, I think they made up for it with both AT and Diggs.