43 to 40...
I rarely watch NFL games outside of the Vikings anymore...But planned on watching Mahomes vs Brady.
Hell of a game...Welcome to the new gen of NFL football - 83 pts scored.
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
so watching that game... does anybody see our team hanging with the Chiefs? honestly, i am super excited at our D coming around and our O seems to be doing what it needs to when it needs to, but Mahomes and that offense is in a different world right now. for a first year starter to go into foxboro and battle brady to the wire... thats ice.
Didn't watch the game but was pleased to wake up and see all those points for Tyreek Hill. Between Gordon, Conner and Hill I think I broke some kind of points record. :-)
@"JimmyinSD" said: so watching that game... does anybody see our team hanging with the Chiefs? honestly, i am super excited at our D coming around and our O seems to be doing what it needs to when it needs to, but Mahomes and that offense is in a different world right now. for a first year starter to go into foxboro and battle brady to the wire... thats ice.After watching the Vikings vs Rams I'd say yes with at least a bit of conviction...
Super impressed with Mahomes and lets not forget Brady is 40. Crazy.
How about that Chiefs LB that let go of Brady? He was afraid to tackle him, and that play may have cost the Chiefs the game. That Mahomes kid is really, really good. I'm not so sure any defense can slow down that KC team.
@"HappyViking" said: How about that Chiefs LB that let go of Brady? He was afraid to tackle him, and that play may have cost the Chiefs the game. That Mahomes kid is really, really good. I'm not so sure any defense can slow down that KC team.
true...I felt for that rookie Lb, but Mahomes missed 2 sure TD's in the first 1/2 too, so hopefully the kid isn't taking it too hard.
On another note, I'll have some crow. I mocked the writer who thought KC, with a 2nd year QB and the league's 28th ranked defense, would somehow be a contender. Well, they certainly are.
I really thought Mahomes could light it up. I tried hard to get him on my fantasy team but lost a bidding war. Got him on my son's team though and he's killing everyone. I did NOT think, however, Mahomes would be as efficient as he's been. He's a perfect fit for Reid's offense.
And of course who thought that defense would become so irrelevant.
Mark me down as a guy that thought the team was a bit foolish to trade away smith and hand the reins to Mahomes... I was wrong as hell, this kid is everything a modern offense wants to see from a QB.
@"MaroonBells" said: On another note, I'll have some crow. I mocked the writer who thought KC, with a 2nd year QB and the league's 28th ranked defense, would somehow be a contender. Well, they certainly are.I really thought Mahomes could light it up. I tried hard to get him on my fantasy team but lost a bidding war. Got him on my son's team though and he's killing everyone. I did NOT think, however, Mahomes would be as efficient as he's been. He's a perfect fit for Reid's offense.
And of course who thought that defense would become so irrelevant.
Defense? What is that archaic term?
Like the Jags D getting pounded? Like the defender not wanting a penalty for touching Brady? Like the DPI when the WR ran into Waynes?
Its pretty easy to see that you don't need or want the best defense in the NFL: that side of the ball has been mitigated, neutered and the trend is that will never change. What you need is offensive playmakers, innovative play calling and a great QB. And your defense just needs to show up periodically with a few stops.
Zimmer may be the last great defensive mind that gets hired as a NFL head coach.
Wonder if this new NFL will cause the Vikings to place even more emphasis on OL improvement next year?
Wonder if our % of cap $$ going to defense is out of whack now?
Wonder if when the dust finally settles after this years SB, we'll all still be saying you need balance to win a Lombardi?
Great move by Vikings to get Flip...Imagine how we'd be feeling if we didnt have a good QB and wr corps right about now? I mean its easy to forget we went toe to toe with the Rams and almost beat em at home...
@"HappyViking" said: How about that Chiefs LB that let go of Brady? He was afraid to tackle him, and that play may have cost the Chiefs the game. That Mahomes kid is really, really good. I'm not so sure any defense can slow down that KC team.
I saw the highlights. That truly sucks that the defender will second guess himself. Sometimes they are going to have to decide whether or not to take the penalty. Obviously he couldn't take a penalty there so basically he was screwed if he doesn't tackle him.
@"purplefaithful" said: Wonder if this new NFL will cause the Vikings to place even more emphasis on OL improvement next year?Wonder if our % of cap $$ going to defense is out of whack now?
Wonder if when the dust finally settles after this years SB, we'll all still be saying you need balance to win a Lombardi?
Great move by Vikings to get Flip...Imagine how we'd be feeling if we didnt have a good QB and wr corps right about now? I mean its easy to forget we went toe to toe with the Rams and almost beat em at home...
Last night's game is EXACTLY what the NFL wants the league to be. Ratings are up this year because of this. I know its getting a lot of grief from hardcore, long time NFL watchers but you are seeing the future of the NFL. Innovative play calling. Non-traditional, less conservative game planning. Keeping QBs upright and more secure than ever so that those large fence-sitting, front running fans the NFL so desires will watch.
The Vikings are posed to transition into this quicker than you'd think with Cousins, Thielen and Diggs. Cook. Their offensive game is well positioned, just need to put the emphasis now on the offensive line this offseason. Don't sign Richardson. Don't resign Trae Waynes. Don't resign Barr. That's not the side of the ball where the rules and momentum is going as a league. How'd that vaunted Jaguars D look yesterday?
Read the tea leaves now, Viking's franchise, and respond accordingly this Spring.
@"Vikergirl" said:@"HappyViking" said: How about that Chiefs LB that let go of Brady? He was afraid to tackle him, and that play may have cost the Chiefs the game. That Mahomes kid is really, really good. I'm not so sure any defense can slow down that KC team.
I saw the highlights. That truly sucks that the defender will second guess himself. Sometimes they are going to have to decide whether or not to take the penalty. Obviously he couldn't take a penalty there so basically he was screwed if he doesn't tackle him.
the Chiefs got called for holding in the endzone on that play so it would have been first and goal from the 1 anyway... Brady doesnt get the ball there with 4 downs and not come away with 6 very often.... however taking a few more seconds off the clock there may have not left enough time for the pats to answer the Chiefs ensuing TD, but the ripple in the ponds thing... it likely wouldnt have been the same results anyway since the time on the clock might have changed the Chiefs play callings as well.
@"StickyBun" said: Its pretty easy to see that you don't need or want the best defense in the NFL: that side of the ball has been mitigated, neutered and the trend is that will never change. What you need is offensive playmakers, innovative play calling and a great QB. And your defense just needs to show up periodically with a few stops.Zimmer may be the last great defensive mind that gets hired as a NFL head coach.
Is exactly what the League said when Jim Kelley and his no huddle Bills Offense was crushing everyone...except the Cowboys and Giants. And what everyone said about the Greatest Show on Turf but the Patriots weren't listening. And Brady and Moss until they ran into the G-Men.
The NFL is a copycat League. Defenders will learn new tackling techniques eventually. DCs will get a handle on RPO, picks out of WR bunches, misdirection at the LOS even during the play....it will just take time.
And.some team will find the right combination of players and schemes that will make.their Defense very tough. And the whole League will copy it. And.the Owners will change the rules to favor Offenses again.
It's the Circle of Life NFL-Style. Hakuna Mawhatever.
@"FSUVike" said:@"StickyBun" said: Its pretty easy to see that you don't need or want the best defense in the NFL: that side of the ball has been mitigated, neutered and the trend is that will never change. What you need is offensive playmakers, innovative play calling and a great QB. And your defense just needs to show up periodically with a few stops.Zimmer may be the last great defensive mind that gets hired as a NFL head coach.
Is exactly what the League said when Jim Kelley and his no huddle Bills Offense was crushing everyone...except the Cowboys and Giants. And what everyone said about the Greatest Show on Turf but the Patriots weren't listening. And Brady and Moss until they ran into the G-Men.The NFL is a copycat League. Defenders will learn new tackling techniques eventually. DCs will get a handle on RPO, picks out of WR bunches, misdirection at the LOS even during the play....it will just take time.
And.some team will find the right combination of players and schemes that will make.their Defense very tough. And the whole League will copy it. And.the Owners will change the rules to favor Offenses again.
It's the Circle of Life NFL-Style. Hakuna Mawhatever.
They hadn't changed the rules then like they have now. There wasn't the concussion/CTE issue like there is now. There wasn't the kneeling for the Anthem issue like there is now. We didn't have video of Ray Rice punching his girlfriend in the face and knocking her out. And the NFL never had to face a ratings decline like they have recently back then. There's a fundamental change in society and fans. This is no cycle or fad. The NFL realizes that its not sustainable to have guys getting multiple concussions and have it not reflect badly on the NFL or even its very existance. Ratings are way UP this year so far with the rule changes. This isn't some innovation in offense taking the league by storm, its a complete league-wide rules change and philosophy.If you think this is some kind of momentary blip and not a real change in how the NFL operates moving forward, you are REALLY underestimating it. Scoring is way up this year already. The younger target demographic that the NFL craves wants to see the star players, especially QB, actually be on the field. Not injured. Fans won't sit and watch garbage games any longer, the ratings bear it out: good/great games get ratings, shit games get turned off. There's always a Netflix marathon now more appealing than watching a NFL shit show. Ratings for good games are still pure gold for the NFL, but they've seen what happens when in a game like tonight, Green Bay plays a Jimmy G.-less team. The ratings will be ok, but nothing like they'd be if he were playing. Just because the old guard on this forum doesn't want to believe that doesn't make it any less the truth.
@"suncoastvike" said: Packers and 49ers scored 31 in the 1st qt.Yep, its not a coincidence.
@"StickyBun" said:Viewer ratings are up. Not to 2015 levels but up over the last two. The NFL knows scoring equals excitement. Fantasy viewers want scoring. Scoring is at historical levels. This has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with viewers. Defense was killing viewership. When the numbers come in they will decide to keep the rules. Numbers being TV ratings not concussions...imo.@"suncoastvike" said: Packers and 49ers scored 31 in the 1st qt. Yep, its not a coinciden.
@"suncoastvike" said:I don't think its either or...I think its both.@"StickyBun" said:Viewer ratings are up. Not to 2015 levels but up over the last two. The NFL knows scoring equals excitement. Fantasy viewers want scoring. Scoring is at historical levels. This has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with viewers. Defense was killing viewership. When the numbers come in they will decide to keep the rules. Numbers being TV ratings not concussions...imo.@"suncoastvike" said: Packers and 49ers scored 31 in the 1st qt. Yep, its not a coinciden.
@"purplefaithful" said:Its definitely both. Of course it has to do with safety, the safety of QBs that drive the interest in the league. They go hand in hand. Viewers aren't watching if Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady, etc. are all injured and not playing.@"suncoastvike" said:I don't think its either or...I think its both.@"StickyBun" said:Viewer ratings are up. Not to 2015 levels but up over the last two. The NFL knows scoring equals excitement. Fantasy viewers want scoring. Scoring is at historical levels. This has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with viewers. Defense was killing viewership. When the numbers come in they will decide to keep the rules. Numbers being TV ratings not concussions...imo.@"suncoastvike" said: Packers and 49ers scored 31 in the 1st qt. Yep, its not a coinciden.
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