Can you believe this garbage- and that our former players are part of it?

A "non-profit" organization pays it's commissioner $50million. Ex-players don't have a clue which room of the house they are standing in or who the guy calling them Dad is. 

Ask. Sue. I have zero problems with it. 

@"Mike Olson" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Mike Olson" said:

@"pumpf" said:All that being said, doesn't it bother anyone that the HOF'ers are ONLY asking for these things for themselves- not the entire league?

Nope. The league has been making money off these guys for years and lied to them about what they knew and when they knew it in regards to health problems. I say go get whatever you can out of the league. The HOFers especially. They built what the league is. 

Agree, there are serious health concerns for former players.  Other people who can prove that their illness was/is caused by work get their healthcare paid.  I doubt the current owners give a rats arse about it though.  What exact leverage do the HOFers have to come asking for $100Ms to cover this? 

We talked to some ex players this weekend and heard stories about how guys took the concussion test and were told that they aren't eligible but that they would likely have problems down the road. So they have to get tested every two years waiting and knowing that they are going to have massive issues later in life. 

@"pumpf" said: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/18/group-of-hall-of-famers-demands-an-annual-salary-and-health-benefits/

Some Hall of Famers want an annual salary- and health benefits- for themselves (as members of the HOF).  Lots of things could be said, but it seems like the easiest solution is to remove those folks from the HOF.  Problem solved.

oh boy

1. Matthew 25:34-40 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.”

18. Luke 4:40 As the sun went down that evening, people throughout the village brought sick family members to Jesus. No matter what their diseases were, the touch of his hand healed every one.

19. Matthew 4:23 Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.

20. Matthew 8:16 When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick.
21. Ezekiel 34:16 I will search for the lost and bring back the strays. I will bind up the injured and strengthen the weak, but the sleek and the strong I will destroy. I will shepherd the flock with justice.

Those are all great, Bullazin: but what does any of it have to do with the topic at hand?

theres alot more of this as you know in the apostolic writings.  i think our religion is pretty clear on this subject of caring for the sick

Some Hall of Famers named in boycott letter reportedly didn’t know about it

@"pumpf" said: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/18/group-of-hall-of-famers-demands-an-annual-salary-and-health-benefits/

Some Hall of Famers want an annual salary- and health benefits- for themselves (as members of the HOF).  Lots of things could be said, but it seems like the easiest solution is to remove those folks from the HOF.  Problem solved.

What's the problem? It be awesome If the NFL recognized the people that made the game what it is.

@"Mike Olson" said: A "non-profit" organization pays it's commissioner $50million. Ex-players don't have a clue which room of the house they are standing in or who the guy calling them Dad is. 

Ask. Sue. I have zero problems with it. 

How much blame dose the NFLPA get in this.  I have no problem with HOFers asking or demanding, I also have no problems with the owners saying no.

I do feel the NFLPA does the NFL players past, present and future a disservice.

I still don't understand, why the NFLPA doesn't do more for their members.

@"BigAl99" said: No problems, seems like a reasonable request.  Remember Karl Kassulke and some of the other former players who left everything on the field.

Wow, there’s a name from the past. That motorcycle accident put him in a wheelchair but it never cushed his spirit. RIP Karl.

Hmmm 

A game owned by Billionaires and very very profitable.  Reminds me of the Gladiator days and the Emperor giving the thumbs up or down to appease the crowd.  Thumbs up for your guy and thumbs down for their guy.  

The NFL is exposed by the CTE issue that paid the players before 2014 a total of about 750 million dollars.  But I am not sure if you have to prove CTE to get funding for medical treatment?  I doubt every player who has cognitive issue is eligible to be part of that fund

I also don't think the vast majority of players before the 1980's thought they would lose their minds playing the game.  Yes physical ailments are expected and s shortened life span but not dribbling in your 60's.  

@"Mike Olson" said: A "non-profit" organization pays it's commissioner $50million. Ex-players don't have a clue which room of the house they are standing in or who the guy calling them Dad is. 

Ask. Sue. I have zero problems with it. 

That's twice you've mentioned the NFL is a "non-profit" organization.  

If I'm following you, I think you're conflating the NFL's previous "tax-exempt status" (which applied only to the league office, not the teams/individual players) with "non-profit".  

The NFL withdrew their tax-exempt (non-profit) status in 2015.  

@"Bullazin" said:

theres alot more of this as you know in the apostolic writings.  i think our religion is pretty clear on this subject of caring for the sick

LOL.  

7 of the signatories to that letter are Medicare eligible. 

The rest that aren't... the NFL provides 'vested vets' which all are, 5 years of health insurance, post NFL retirement.  
For example... Marshall Faulk, who is 45.  When he retired from the NFL, he had 5 years health insurance. 
Since he is now gainfully employed by the NFL network, I'm sure he enjoys health insurance/coverage.  

Annual salary?  
I thought they were all deeply honored to just put on the gold jacket?  

Whoever thought HOF football players were going to be the next victims of such injustice?  

@"savannahskol" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

theres alot more of this as you know in the apostolic writings.  i think our religion is pretty clear on this subject of caring for the sick

LOL.  

7 of the signatories to that letter are Medicare eligible. 

The rest that aren't... the NFL provides 'vested vets' which all are, 5 years of health insurance, post NFL retirement.  
For example... Marshall Faulk, who is 45.  When he retired from the NFL, he had 5 years health insurance. 
Since he is now gainfully employed by the NFL network, I'm sure he enjoys health insurance/coverage.  

Annual salary?  
I thought they were all deeply honored to just put on the gold jacket?  

Whoever thought HOF football players were going to be the next victims of such injustice?  

@"Kentis" said:

@"BigAl99" said: No problems, seems like a reasonable request.  Remember Karl Kassulke and some of the other former players who left everything on the field.

Wow, there’s a name from the past. That motorcycle accident put him in a wheelchair but it never cushed his spirit. RIP Karl.

After having read the letter. I think it could have been penned less aggressively. "We demand" or else. Sound alot like a random note.
I still agree that the NFL should cover their medical insurance for all former players. Those enshrined should get money for the use of their likeness and accomplishments. I don't think they should be forced to sign away rights for the honor. If they even are asked to. I don't know. Just some have brought it up. That sounds like extortion. If you don't sign away rights to your greatest honor you can't be inducted. Who wouldn't?

For those interested in reading the letter. I found it in this ESPN article. Click THE LETTER.  "Until our demands are met". Yeah a tad bit agressive.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24720441/group-hall-famers-threaten-boycott-induction-ceremony-nfl-provides-health-insurance-annual-salaries

Wow, I didn't know that vested vets only get 5 years of medical coverage post retirement.  Most of these guys are retiring in their mid-30's at best and the physical and mental/cognitive issues aren't going to show up until their mid to late 40's like Junior Seau.  Most are going to be well into their 50's before they notice a decline.

Geez with all the money involved in this league with Billionaire owners I think they could do a lot more for their former Gladiators.

I know many people will look at it and say "that is more then I will ever get" and an element of jealousy can set in for some people.  But did you "work" in an industry where your average career was 3.5 years and has a very high rate of physical and mental breakdowns by your mid 40's

I obviously support much better health care coverage for all NFL players.

The salary thing for HOF is interesting and I don't really understand what is going on here.  Meaning, does the HOF and NFL use the HOF'ers images etc to promote and do they currently give any kind of royalty to those players they do use?  If they are using a players image then just like with other "entertainers" they should be compensated for that use on a per use basis.  A salary is asking for way too much IMO.  But again I would support a royalty if anyone wanted to use my image.  But maybe they already do, I don't know.

@"Bullazin" said: theres alot more of this as you know in the apostolic writings.  i think our religion is pretty clear on this subject of caring for the sick

Yes, it is: WE as individuals.  Not "we" as corporations (or governments).  Jesus didn't "outsource" the work of His Kingdom; He called US to do it.  Therefore, if you believe that the HOFers should be getting taken care of, YOU should be the one doing it.  You can't actually think that the Apostles saw the needs of the people... and then forced OTHER people to take care of them.  They, themselves, took it upon themselves to care for the sick.
If you think that businesses and governments ought to be obligated by the Christian faith to follow the teachings of Christ, then you can't stop just with "economic /social justice" issues.  That theocratic rule would also apply to same-sex relationships (not just marriages), abortion, divorce, teaching Darwinian evolution in schools, banning prayer, etc...

But since we live in a representative republic (in theory, anyway), we don't make our laws submit to Biblical laws.  Sometimes they agree with the moral virtues of Christianity; sometimes they don't.  But we're not a theocracy.  On the other hand, we (as Christians) are the Church (which is an extension of Christ's rule on earth).  So, if you want to say that the Church should be caring for the sick, I'd agree with you.

@"minny65" said: Hmmm 

A game owned by Billionaires and very very profitable.  Reminds me of the Gladiator days and the Emperor giving the thumbs up or down to appease the crowd.  Thumbs up for your guy and thumbs down for their guy.  

The NFL is exposed by the CTE issue that paid the players before 2014 a total of about 750 million dollars.  But I am not sure if you have to prove CTE to get funding for medical treatment?  I doubt every player who has cognitive issue is eligible to be part of that fund

I also don't think the vast majority of players before the 1980's thought they would lose their minds playing the game.  Yes physical ailments are expected and s shortened life span but not dribbling in your 60's.  

If they wanted to make the case that those players who played the game in the "distant" past need more financial assistance, that would be a valid argument.  But, from what I've seen, the majority of those who "signed" (which, now, it appears they didn't actually sign) were more "recent".   Here's the list (below); those that I would consider "before the 80s" are bolded.  

Marcus Allen, Mel Blount, Derrick Brooks, Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, Richard Dent, Carl Eller, Marshall Faulk, Mike Haynes, Rickey Jackson, Ronnie Lott, Curtis Martin, Joe Namath, John Randle, Jerry Rice, Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Jackie Smith, Lawrence Taylor and Kurt Warner. Also signing the letter is Sarah White, Reggie White’s widow.

@"pumpf" said:

@"Bullazin" said: theres alot more of this as you know in the apostolic writings.  i think our religion is pretty clear on this subject of caring for the sick

Yes, it is: WE as individuals.  Not "we" as corporations (or governments).  Jesus didn't "outsource" the work of His Kingdom; He called US to do it.  Therefore, if you believe that the HOFers should be getting taken care of, YOU should be the one doing it.  You can't actually think that the Apostles saw the needs of the people... and then forced OTHER people to take care of them.  They, themselves, took it upon themselves to care for the sick.
If you think that businesses and governments ought to be obligated by the Christian faith to follow the teachings of Christ, then you can't stop just with "economic /social justice" issues.  That theocratic rule would also apply to same-sex relationships (not just marriages), abortion, divorce, teaching Darwinian evolution in schools, banning prayer, etc...

But since we live in a representative republic (in theory, anyway), we don't make our laws submit to Biblical laws.  Sometimes they agree with the moral virtues of Christianity; sometimes they don't.  But we're not a theocracy.  On the other hand, we (as Christians) are the Church (which is an extension of Christ's rule on earth).  So, if you want to say that the Church should be caring for the sick, I'd agree with you.