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https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/packers-dealing-with-costly-penalties-in-tie-with-vikings-091718
McCarthy said the Packers, who were flagged for only one roughing-the-passer penalty all of last season, have talked about how the plays are being officiated and are trying to adjust accordingly.

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For the team that has benefitted the most and cried the most all offseason about the "Aaron Rule" I find this so satisfying).

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Here's for crybaby Clay:  NFL says STFU


GREEN BAY, Wis. -- The NFL doubled down on Clay Matthews' much-debated roughing-the-passer penalty and said Monday that not only was it the correct call, but it will be used on a teaching tape sent to teams.
The Green Bay Packers linebacker was penalized in the fourth quarter of Sunday's 29-29 tie with the Minnesota Vikings for what referee Tony Corrente said was a foul because "he lifted [Kirk Cousins] and drove him into the ground." The penalty wiped out a potential game-clinching interception in the final minutes of regulation

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Clay has always roughed the passer, last week he ran over Turbisky late for no reason and this week decided to body slam Kirk at the end. Yeah Kirk's may not have been too bad, but was it necessary on the potentially final drive? No, especially after what happened to Kendricks on a similar hit earlier. Clay is a douche and now that it is coming down on him it feels SOOOO good.

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Matthews claims he doesn't know what to do with this new rule.  Here's a hint Clay, "PLAY WITHIN THE RULES."  Probably all too new to him...

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@"Neptizzle" said: Clay has always roughed the passer, last week he ran over Turbisky late for no reason and this week decided to body slam Kirk at the end. Yeah Kirk's may not have been too bad, but was it necessary on the potentially final drive? No, especially after what happened to Kendricks on a similar hit earlier. Clay is a douche and now that it is coming down on him it feels SOOOO good.
I agree with everything you said- except the part about slamming Cousins.  Unless you're talking about a different play (other than the so-called "roughing the passer" play), I don't think he did anything wrong on his sack of Cousins.  It was about as text-book as it can get these days.  On the other hand, none of these penalties ought to be called.  If you don't want your passer to get hurt, draft better OL... or keep more players in to protect him.  If you send 5 receivers out into routes, that's the risk you're taking (leaving your QB with as little protection as possible).  If the teams- themselves- don't care about their own QBs, why should the NFL?
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@"pumpf" said:
@"Neptizzle" said: Clay has always roughed the passer, last week he ran over Turbisky late for no reason and this week decided to body slam Kirk at the end. Yeah Kirk's may not have been too bad, but was it necessary on the potentially final drive? No, especially after what happened to Kendricks on a similar hit earlier. Clay is a douche and now that it is coming down on him it feels SOOOO good.
I agree with everything you said- except the part about slamming Cousins.  Unless you're talking about a different play (other than the so-called "roughing the passer" play), I don't think he did anything wrong on his sack of Cousins.  It was about as text-book as it can get these days.  On the other hand, none of these penalties ought to be called.  If you don't want your passer to get hurt, draft better OL... or keep more players in to protect him.  If you send 5 receivers out into routes, that's the risk you're taking (leaving your QB with as little protection as possible).  If the teams- themselves- don't care about their own QBs, why should the NFL?
Exactly right. there is no rule saying you cant  line up 7 or 8 olineman.   I think that would be better than these excessive rules
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#8 · Sep 18, 10:32 AM
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Ok they were only flagged once all of last year for roughing the passer so we already know they are getting away with it. Green Bay can just stfu already. Maybe the butthurt whiner rule burning them is payback.

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Lol

McCarthy said a holding penalty on guard Lane Taylor, which wiped out Jimmy Graham’s touchdown catch also bothered him. “Frankly, I was more upset about that call than Clay’s,” McCarthy said
So the arm around the throat and tackling the guy from behind isn't holding?  Dude is either a dipshit or so used to getting the benefit of the refs he doesn't understand the rules.

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@"greediron" said: Lol
McCarthy said a holding penalty on guard Lane Taylor, which wiped out Jimmy Graham’s touchdown catch also bothered him. “Frankly, I was more upset about that call than Clay’s,” McCarthy said
So the arm around the throat and tackling the guy from behind isn't holding?  Dude is either a dipshit or so used to getting the benefit of the refs he doesn't understand the rules.


There is no either/or. He is a dipshit and ridiculously spoiled by the benefit he gets from the refs. 

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@"greediron" said: Lol
McCarthy said a holding penalty on guard Lane Taylor, which wiped out Jimmy Graham’s touchdown catch also bothered him. “Frankly, I was more upset about that call than Clay’s,” McCarthy said
So the arm around the throat and tackling the guy from behind isn't holding?  Dude is either a dipshit or so used to getting the benefit of the refs he doesn't understand the rules.


But but but they scored a touchdown. You can't take touchdown away from green bay. That's like not allowed or something.

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@"Mike Olson" said:
@"greediron" said: Lol
McCarthy said a holding penalty on guard Lane Taylor, which wiped out Jimmy Graham’s touchdown catch also bothered him. “Frankly, I was more upset about that call than Clay’s,” McCarthy said
So the arm around the throat and tackling the guy from behind isn't holding?  Dude is either a dipshit or so used to getting the benefit of the refs he doesn't understand the rules.


But but but they scored a touchdown. You can't take touchdown away from green bay. That's like not allowed or something.


Yeah, just ask Shiancoe... oh wait.  "away from Green Bay".

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Unfortunately, when the Packers cry, the NFL listens. And so does the media. The Packers raise the issue; the media blows it up; and the NFL has to address it.  If any team held Packers pass rushers the way they hold others, the holding rules would be instantly adjusted.  They like legal holding because of who they have under center. If instead of Rodgers, they had Trubiskey and Mack, the holding rules would be very different.
So, every team needs to teach pass blocking like the Packers do. Grab the pass rusher's shoulder pads, mirror his feet, and don't let go.  It takes some physical ability, but not as much as pass blocking does.

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@"dadevike" said: Unfortunately, when the Packers cry, the NFL listens. And so does the media. The Packers raise the issue; the media blows it up; and the NFL has to address it.  If any team held Packers pass rushers the way they hold others, the holding rules would be instantly adjusted.  They like legal holding because of who they have under center. If instead of Rodgers, they had Trubiskey and Mack, the holding rules would be very different. So, every team needs to teach pass blocking like the Packers do. Grab the pass rusher's shoulder pads, mirror his feet, and don't let go.  It takes some physical ability, but not as much as pass blocking does.


Actually the NFL said it was going to use the two penalties in this game as teaching tools of what you can't do to a QB.  So Matthews can suck it. 

As to the holding, it isn't legal.  It is illegal to grab outside the frame, which they do.  But they get by for some reason.

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I just watched the play again. Matthews left his feet and drove his shoulder into Cousins. Yes, his head was to the side, but he drove the QB in the turf.
That is exactly the thing the NFL doesn’t want. End of story.

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@"Riphawkins" said: I just watched the play again. Matthews left his feet and drove his shoulder into Cousins. Yes, his head was to the side, but he drove the QB in the turf. That is exactly the thing the NFL doesn’t want. End of story.
Yep.  Defenders just need to get used to no leaving their feet to drive their shoulder into the QB.
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@"greediron" said:


Actually the NFL said it was going to use the two penalties in this game as teaching tools of what you can't do to a QB.  So Matthews can suck it. 

As to the holding, it isn't legal.  It is illegal to grab outside the frame, which they do.  But they get by for some reason.



Yep. The NFL has equated the Matthews hit with the Kendricks hit.  But prior to that, how much has anyone heard about the Kndricks hit?  It was the same as the Matthews hit so surely there must have been an outcry about that call, too, right?  At least a casual mention? Anything? I did not hear a peep. And I suspect the Kendricks call would have gone completely un-mentioned .... except the NFL brought it up. 
Basically, the Packers are saying "we want that called made when Rodgers is hit but not when we hit the other team's QB." And the media just buys into it.  I guess Rodgers is just that big a draw.  The NFL showed just the slightest bit of backbone - basically saying, "We are already letting you hold to protect Rodgers. We can't just outlaw all hits on Rodgers but not on any other QBs." 
Way to stand up to the Packers, Roger.  That'll show 'em.

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