Vikings trade for OL help

Pat Shurmur is a good dude and obviously holds the Viking's org. in high esteem:

“No, I think the trade was good for both (Minnesota and us). We got a pick in return for Brett Jones. He’s one of my favorite guys and he’s going to a really good place. With their situation in the offensive line, he’s going to have a chance to compete to maybe be their starter. I’m pretty familiar with their situation and he’s going to a very good place, so I’m happy for him because he’s a real likable guy. He works hard, he’s tough, and I feel like if he can’t be here – I tell the players all the time, we want you all to be here; if you can’t be here, we want you to be somewhere good, and that’s a good place.”  - Pat Shurmur

Money undoubtedly played a factor in the decision. The Giants free up $2.9 million in cap space by trading Jones, according to Over the Cap. They had just $1.48 million in cap space prior to the move.
Jones may prove to be a steal of a trade for Minnesota, especially with starting center Pat Elflein still recovering from two offseason surgeries.
The decision to trade Jones is definitely a head scratcher for Giants fans, especially if they only receive a seventh-round draft pick in return.

now if we couldmfind 3 or 4 just like him we could be ready for the season.  Unbelievable the way the OL guys have been falling the last few years.

p.s. I think I like Jones starting at guard more than I do Compton when Elflein returns. Might be a nice chess move for the season when its all said and done. 

@"StickyBun" said: Pat Shurmur is a good dude and obviously holds the Viking's org. in high esteem:

“No, I think the trade was good for both (Minnesota and us). We got a pick in return for Brett Jones. He’s one of my favorite guys and he’s going to a really good place. With their situation in the offensive line, he’s going to have a chance to compete to maybe be their starter. I’m pretty familiar with their situation and he’s going to a very good place, so I’m happy for him because he’s a real likable guy. He works hard, he’s tough, and I feel like if he can’t be here – I tell the players all the time, we want you all to be here; if you can’t be here, we want you to be somewhere good, and that’s a good place.”  - Pat Shurmur

Money undoubtedly played a factor in the decision. The Giants free up $2.9 million in cap space by trading Jones, according to Over the Cap. They had just $1.48 million in cap space prior to the move.
Jones may prove to be a steal of a trade for Minnesota, especially with starting center Pat Elflein still recovering from two offseason surgeries.
The decision to trade Jones is definitely a head scratcher for Giants fans, especially if they only receive a seventh-round draft pick in return.

He does hold it in good esteem, as he should. I like the trade, something had to be done...

Vikings acquire C Brett Jones for 2019 pick
                  

Jones is 6'2" and 312 lbs.  Built for a guard.  Low center of gravity and can get low on his blocking.  Looks like a fighter in a pile-up.

@"suncoastvike" said: It seems like an insurance move. 7th rounder isn't over paying for depth. Steep salary for depth might be. I hope this ain't another season of desperation moves like 2016 when we hired guys off the street mid season only to have them get injured. Good thing is they got 2 weeks to get him ready and he should at least be in football shape by not beings on the sofa for a year.

I don't think adding Jones is anything like signing Jake Long in the midst of 2016. Long was old, physically broken, and had not been on a roster. I expect Jones to start at Center as soon as he is up to speed on the playbook. As others have said, when Elflein is back one of those 2 could be at LG. Not sure Edison has a spot on the roster once Elflein is back.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"suncoastvike" said: It seems like an insurance move. 7th rounder isn't over paying for depth. Steep salary for depth might be. I hope this ain't another season of desperation moves like 2016 when we hired guys off the street mid season only to have them get injured. Good thing is they got 2 weeks to get him ready and he should at least be in football shape by not beings on the sofa for a year.

I don't think adding Jones is anything like signing Jake Long in the midst of 2016. Long was old, physically broken, and had not been on a roster. I expect Jones to start at Center as soon as he is up to speed on the playbook. As others have said, when Elflein is back one of those 2 could be at LG. Not sure Edison has a spot on the roster once Elflein is back.

maybe i am jaded,  maybe the giants did us a solid,  (although I am not sure why after we blocked them from Stefanski)  but I am not convinced Jones is a player ready to start for the Vikes.  I understand the Giants needing cap relief,  but given the OL woes around the league,  how are we able to get a "starter" for only a 7th round draft pick?  seems to good to be true.

@"JimmyinSD" said: maybe i am jaded,  maybe the giants did us a solid,  (although I am not sure why after we blocked them from Stefanski)  but I am not convinced Jones is a player ready to start for the Vikes.  I understand the Giants needing cap relief,  but given the OL woes around the league,  how are we able to get a "starter" for only a 7th round draft pick?  seems to good to be true.

We got a starting caliber player in George Iloka for the league minimum and no trade compensation, so it happens. Teams are always mindful of the salary cap, they have to be. And sometimes decent players become selectively available. I don't think anyone is saying that Jones is a world beater, but he definitely should provide value to the Vikings in his guard-center versatility and he started 13 games just last year. Shurmur liked the kid and did him a big solid by placing him in a good organization. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: maybe i am jaded,  maybe the giants did us a solid,  (although I am not sure why after we blocked them from Stefanski)  but I am not convinced Jones is a player ready to start for the Vikes.  I understand the Giants needing cap relief,  but given the OL woes around the league,  how are we able to get a "starter" for only a 7th round draft pick?  seems to good to be true.

We got a starting caliber player in George Iloka for the league minimum and no trade compensation, so it happens. Teams are always mindful of the salary cap, they have to be. And sometimes decent players become selectively available. I don't think anyone is saying that Jones is a world beater, but he definitely should provide value to the Vikings in his guard-center versatility and he started 13 games just last year. Shurmur liked the kid and did him a big solid by placing him in a good organization. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: maybe i am jaded,  maybe the giants did us a solid,  (although I am not sure why after we blocked them from Stefanski)  but I am not convinced Jones is a player ready to start for the Vikes.  I understand the Giants needing cap relief,  but given the OL woes around the league,  how are we able to get a "starter" for only a 7th round draft pick?  seems to good to be true.

We got a starting caliber player in George Iloka for the league minimum and no trade compensation, so it happens. Teams are always mindful of the salary cap, they have to be. And sometimes decent players become selectively available. I don't think anyone is saying that Jones is a world beater, but he definitely should provide value to the Vikings in his guard-center versatility and he started 13 games just last year. Shurmur liked the kid and did him a big solid by placing him in a good organization. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: maybe i am jaded,  maybe the giants did us a solid,  (although I am not sure why after we blocked them from Stefanski)  but I am not convinced Jones is a player ready to start for the Vikes.  I understand the Giants needing cap relief,  but given the OL woes around the league,  how are we able to get a "starter" for only a 7th round draft pick?  seems to good to be true.

We got a starting caliber player in George Iloka for the league minimum and no trade compensation, so it happens. Teams are always mindful of the salary cap, they have to be. And sometimes decent players become selectively available. I don't think anyone is saying that Jones is a world beater, but he definitely should provide value to the Vikings in his guard-center versatility and he started 13 games just last year. Shurmur liked the kid and did him a big solid by placing him in a good organization. 

Iloka chose to play for less to rejoin Zimmer,  I am not saying good deals dont come along.  Just that I am not sure why a team like the giants would sell so cheap when there are other teams around the league that likely would have paid more.. or maybe not.   I just dont know that he will be better than Edison or Isidora as some suggest.  I am not saying he wont improve the depth of the roster,  I just question those that pencil him into the starting 5.

@"JimmyinSD" said: maybe i am jaded,  maybe the giants did us a solid,  (although I am not sure why after we blocked them from Stefanski)  but I am not convinced Jones is a player ready to start for the Vikes.  I understand the Giants needing cap relief,  but given the OL woes around the league,  how are we able to get a "starter" for only a 7th round draft pick?  seems to good to be true.

I think salary impacts trade value more than most people think. Remember, the Texans sent a 2nd round pick to the Browns just to get Brock Osweiler's salary off their books. Sounds like the Giants were down to their last dollar. Moving Jones gives them a lot more flexibility to move on players they might like when rosters are cut down. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: maybe i am jaded,  maybe the giants did us a solid,  (although I am not sure why after we blocked them from Stefanski)  but I am not convinced Jones is a player ready to start for the Vikes.  I understand the Giants needing cap relief,  but given the OL woes around the league,  how are we able to get a "starter" for only a 7th round draft pick?  seems to good to be true.

I think salary impacts trade value more than most people think. Remember, the Texans sent a 2nd round pick to the Browns just to get Brock Osweiler's salary off their books. Sounds like the Giants were down to their last dollar. Moving Jones gives them a lot more flexibility to move on players they might like when rosters are cut down. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: maybe i am jaded,  maybe the giants did us a solid,  (although I am not sure why after we blocked them from Stefanski)  but I am not convinced Jones is a player ready to start for the Vikes.  I understand the Giants needing cap relief,  but given the OL woes around the league,  how are we able to get a "starter" for only a 7th round draft pick?  seems to good to be true.

I think salary impacts trade value more than most people think. Remember, the Texans sent a 2nd round pick to the Browns just to get Brock Osweiler's salary off their books. Sounds like the Giants were down to their last dollar. Moving Jones gives them a lot more flexibility to move on players they might like when rosters are cut down. 

@"Jor-El" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: maybe i am jaded,  maybe the giants did us a solid,  (although I am not sure why after we blocked them from Stefanski)  but I am not convinced Jones is a player ready to start for the Vikes.  I understand the Giants needing cap relief,  but given the OL woes around the league,  how are we able to get a "starter" for only a 7th round draft pick?  seems to good to be true.

We got a starting caliber player in George Iloka for the league minimum and no trade compensation, so it happens. Teams are always mindful of the salary cap, they have to be. And sometimes decent players become selectively available. I don't think anyone is saying that Jones is a world beater, but he definitely should provide value to the Vikings in his guard-center versatility and he started 13 games just last year. Shurmur liked the kid and did him a big solid by placing him in a good organization. 

Also, from what I read, Jones reportedly is better suited to move/ZBS blocking, which the Giants employed last year (as we do), but they are shifting to a power blocking system.  Interesting that the Vikings went to a zone-blocking scheme under Shurmur but now Shurmur is taking the Giants to a man scheme

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: maybe i am jaded,  maybe the giants did us a solid,  (although I am not sure why after we blocked them from Stefanski)  but I am not convinced Jones is a player ready to start for the Vikes.  I understand the Giants needing cap relief,  but given the OL woes around the league,  how are we able to get a "starter" for only a 7th round draft pick?  seems to good to be true.

We got a starting caliber player in George Iloka for the league minimum and no trade compensation, so it happens. Teams are always mindful of the salary cap, they have to be. And sometimes decent players become selectively available. I don't think anyone is saying that Jones is a world beater, but he definitely should provide value to the Vikings in his guard-center versatility and he started 13 games just last year. Shurmur liked the kid and did him a big solid by placing him in a good organization. 

Also, from what I read, Jones reportedly is better suited to move/ZBS blocking, which the Giants employed last year (as we do), but they are shifting to a power blocking system.  Interesting that the Vikings went to a zone-blocking scheme under Shurmur but now Shurmur is taking the Giants to a man scheme